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    Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
    We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
    We were all once "Average Users".

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    • #2534344

      just only on most Windows 10 editions, except LTSC where IE continues to work there

      and on the other hand, IE is NOT dead when MS released this kb5022835 update for certain Server & windows embedded OSes.

      • #2534394

        just only on most Windows 10 editions, except LTSC where IE continues to work there and on the other hand, IE is NOT dead when MS released this kb5022835 update for certain Server & windows embedded OSes.

        I read the article.

        No, it won’t. IE can be removed. Maybe in Windows 12.

        Like I said above, I read the article.

        “Internet Explorer still has some small deaths to die. The “visual references” to the app will remain in Windows 10 until they’re removed by a security update circa June of 2023, according to Microsoft’s support document. And Internet Explorer will remain accessible on Windows Server, non-consumer versions of Windows 10 like the Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) versions of Windows 10 Enterprise and Windows 10 IoT, and Windows 7 and 8 (which are no longer being supported with new security updates or Edge versions as of last month).

        And the underlying MSHTML rendering engine will continue to be included as part of Microsoft Edge’s IE compatibility mode, which will be supported until “at least 2029.” Microsoft says it will give users a year’s notice before retiring IE mode, so it could be nearly a decade before the zombified corpse of Internet Explorer finally stops twitching.”

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
        We were all once "Average Users".

    • #2534349

      Microsoft will forcibly remove Internet Explorer from most Windows 10 PCs today

      No, it won’t.
      IE can’t be removed. Maybe in Windows 12.

      • #2534625

        No, it won’t. IE can’t be removed. Maybe in Windows 12.

        “Microsoft never shipped any version of Internet Explorer in Windows 11, so nothing will change if you’re already running Microsoft’s latest OS.”

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
        We were all once "Average Users".

        • #2534686

          It’s an odd, in-between sort of state. On my Windows 11 22H2 machine, there are .EXE files named iexplore.exe in the right places under both Program Files and Program Files (x86). They’re even approximately the same size as Internet Explorer in Windows 7. But then clicking on either of these .EXE files results in Edge being opened.

          • #2534718

            But then clicking on either of these .EXE files results in Edge being opened.

            I get this:

            edge

            Opening it up and looking at its innards I found the xml file:

            <?xml version=”1.0″ encoding=”UTF-8″ standalone=”yes”?>
            <!– Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation –>
            <!– Note: This manifest needs to be kept in sync with iexplore.exe.manifest –>
            <assembly xmlns=”urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1″ manifestVersion=”1.0″>

            <assemblyIdentity version=”5.1.0.0″
            processorArchitecture=”x86″
            name=”Microsoft.InternetExplorer”
            type=”win32″/>

            <description>Internet Explorer</description>
            <application xmlns=”urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v3″>
            <windowsSettings>
            </windowsSettings>
            </application>
            <compatibility xmlns=”urn:schemas-microsoft-com:compatibility.v1″>
            <application>
            <!–This Id value indicates the application supports Windows Vista/Server 2008 functionality –>
            <supportedOS Id=”{e2011457-1546-43c5-a5fe-008deee3d3f0}”/>
            <!–This Id value indicates the application supports Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 functionality–>
            <supportedOS Id=”{35138b9a-5d96-4fbd-8e2d-a2440225f93a}”/>
            <!–This Id value indicates the application supports Windows 8/Server 2012 functionality–>
            <supportedOS Id=”{4a2f28e3-53b9-4441-ba9c-d69d4a4a6e38}”/>
            <!– This Id value indicates the application supports Windows Blue/Server 2012 R2 functionality–>
            <supportedOS Id=”{1f676c76-80e1-4239-95bb-83d0f6d0da78}”/>
            <!– This Id value indicates the application supports Windows Threshold functionality–>
            <supportedOS Id=”{8e0f7a12-bfb3-4fe8-b9a5-48fd50a15a9a}”/>
            </application>
            </compatibility>
            </assembly>

            Looks like it isn’t supported in Windows 11.

            Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
            We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
            We were all once "Average Users".

            • #2534809

              Wow, check this out!

              IE 11 on Win11 !!
              So I’ve managed to launch IE 11 (instructions are given at the URL shown in the background), but it will briefly load a requested page, then come back with the error, “We were unable to return you to xxx.yyy.”

              There may be some way to get around this issue but it will take some digging. For now, I’m just astonished that IE does, in fact, seem to be present on Windows 11. My understanding was that it was simply not present, except for “IE mode” in Edge.

               

    • #2534401

      Query: in your opinion, would Internet Explorer sudden death be a better option over the long-term lingering fade out?

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      • #2534444

        Query: in your opinion, would Internet Explorer sudden death be a better option over the long-term lingering fade out?

        In those niche areas of Windows where parts of IE are still used, the code has to be replaced.  Microsoft would likely prefer to cut it out in bits and pieces and risk fewer likelihoods of disruptions than to rip it out in force and have something, somewhere, stop working or throwing BSOD’s.

        Just my opinion.  From a programmer’s point of view, replacing active code is like walking on eggs.

         

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
        We were all once "Average Users".

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        • #2534599

          A better question might be: What portions of Internet Explorer need to be retained?

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          • #2534624

            A better question might be: What portions of Internet Explorer need to be retained?

            Perhaps, “Which functions in the OS now handled by IE components need to be rewritten?”

            Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
            We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
            We were all once "Average Users".

    • #2534408

      With IE neutered and Chredge removed post February 2023 CU, things are looking up for W10 with supplimentary mitigations in place.

      Windows - commercial by definition and now function...
    • #2534703

      there are .EXE files named iexplore.exe in the right places under both Program Files and Program Files (x86).

      Microsoft can’t (yet) remove Internet explorer so it lives on in Windows 10 and 11.

      • #2534740

        Microsoft can’t (yet) remove Internet explorer so it lives on in Windows 10 and 11.

        The files are there, but Internet Explorer will not open or run in Windows 11.  Instead it launches (or tries to, in my case) Edge.  If you read the xml file in #2534718, you’ll see that support is not listed for Windows 11.

        Also, after yesterday’s cumulative update on my NAS (Windows 10 Pro 22H2), iexplore.exe is no longer in the Internet Explorer folder in either Program Files or Program Files (x86).

        From the article in the OP:

        “Internet Explorer still has some small deaths to die. The “visual references” to the app will remain in Windows 10 until they’re removed by a security update circa June of 2023, according to Microsoft’s support document. And Internet Explorer will remain accessible on Windows Server, non-consumer versions of Windows 10 like the Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) versions of Windows 10 Enterprise and Windows 10 IoT, and Windows 7 and 8 (which are no longer being supported with new security updates or Edge versions as of last month).

        And the underlying MSHTML rendering engine will continue to be included as part of Microsoft Edge’s IE compatibility mode, which will be supported until “at least 2029.” Microsoft says it will give users a year’s notice before retiring IE mode, so it could be nearly a decade before the zombified corpse of Internet Explorer finally stops twitching.”

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
        We were all once "Average Users".

      • #2535003

        Ok, for some reason or other, my system must be an outlier.

        Win10 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2486) and Edge got updated to version 110.0.1587.46 (the Feb 14 update) this morning.

        And, although I now see an “Internet Explorer 11 is now out of support” message when I try to run it (it use to just say Switch to Edge), it still works just fine and I can click the × on the right to close the message!

        MSIE

        Maybe it didn’t get “removed” because neither MSIE nor Edge are my default browser (that’s SeaMonkey 2.53.15)

    • #2534752

      Animated gif files.  Did MS ever bring back the ability to look at and see animated gif files in the Windows Photo Viewer that they took away in Win 7?  It was no problem in Win XP but, aside from using Internet Explorer, you can’t see the animation in animated gifs.

      I’m thinking it maybe has something to do with Active X.

      Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's
    • #2534954

      My understanding was that it was simply not present, except for “IE mode” in Edge.

      How would you run Edge ‘IE Mode’ without bits of IE still installed?

      • #2535047

        I was astonished to see that IE11 can still run at all as a separate application. Up until yesterday, my understanding was that this was not possible in Windows 11 because IE existed only as a “mode” (a sub-feature) in Edge. Imagine my surprise when I issued the magic commands and the familiar IE interface popped onto the screen!

        Now, if I could get IE to load a webpage and then stay on it instead of issuing an error…

    • #2584237

      Microsoft can’t (yet) remove Internet explorer so it lives on in Windows 10 and 11.

      Internet Explorer is never removed on LTSC editions of Windows 10

      and it’s STILL ALIVE on Windows 7 Embedded Standard, Server 2008 R2 & Server 2012 editions as well as IE got a new cumulative update (KB5029243) in August 2023 – any newly released IE updates for these pre-Win10 versions CONTRADICTS IE’s death

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