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    WCHS here #2448650 wrote: “Today’s youngsters, by virtue of being youngsters and thus less skilled in reading and writing, probably use the microphone on their devices more often than do us oldsters, who are more skilled in reading and writing.

    This is a good observation and, I think, also a deep one. But I do not quite agree with its larger implication that “youngsters” are mostly refractory to reading and writing, compared to what it was the case in ages past. Perhaps now their elders do not stimulate them enough, for example with birthday gifts that include books? With stories at bed time and then books with collections of those stories?

    My counterargument, to get things going:

    Exhibit A is the fact that earlier this century, from 2000 through 2007, youngsters were sleeping in sidewalks rather than to loose their place in the queue to the entrance of a bookshop, the night before a new novel of Harry Potter, usually a book of considerable heft, was scheduled to come out. Have the reading and writing skill of youngsters, and their interest on the printed word plummeted in less than two decades?
    I think the answer must be a nuanced one: it really depends on which youngsters we are talking about. Because youngsters, being people, do come in all shapes and sizes, both externally and in their insides.
    That does not mean that people who can, do and like to read and write are never to be found doom-scrolling on outsize cellphones. Well, yes, probably they can be. Humans, young and old, are like that: hard to pin down and sort out into neat boxes.

    I am starting this thread here, in “rants”, but I believe that the consideration of this topic can go beyond a series of “kids these days” grumblings.

    Or so I am hoping that will be the discussion that, I again hope, will follow.
    Or else this new thread will be ignored and die in the vine with just a few comments, maybe this opening one being the first and last it will ever get.
    How this goes in not up to me.

    This topic, I also believe, is one that is of interest to parents and grand parents, and even, who knows? to great-grand parents, that hang around here at AskWoody. And to “youngsters” too, of course. Because it is a topic that has been known to show up in media commentary, as well as in family and friends discussions in many places elsewhere for quite some time already — and it is about how people use technology to communicate and see the world, and what changes to what means to be human this might be bringing along.

    So, hopefully looking forward to a good discussion: please comment away, if you will.

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    • #2450843

      Quite semantic questios these lines.
      I think that people in general don’t care for to understand what people say or mean.
      Forbid youngsters to play computer games for a limited time may help to educate.

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        Anonymous just above: Many could read and did read “Harry Potter” enthusiastically as I mentioned in the opening comment (not at all the worst choice in books, by the way). Maybe not all young people are …  like those “kids” who can’t even read? What if I were right in saying that there are actually lots of them that can and like to read and even can and like to write and do it well enough to show some promise? That their lowest common denominator is neither their average nor their mean? That looking only at those at the bottom, not necessarily because they belong there (the video is about a boy with a serious speech defect struggling to read out loud from a book in a class where other students make fun of him while the teacher seems displeased with him) does not tell us that much about what things are like above it?

        (Just stirring the barrel, er, the pot … )

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      I think a big part of it is the decline in available “physical” book stores.

      Back then I use to “regularly” visit, B Dalton, Barnes & Noble, Borders, Family Christian and Waldenbooks to browse their selection of books (both old & new) and I usually bought between 80-100 books/yr.

      Today my only choice for a “physical” store in my local area is Barnes & Nobles and I’m only buying ~20 books/yr.

      BTW, I’m “old school” when it comes to books.

      There’s nothing like being able to wander down the isles and actually pull a “physical” book off the shelf for a quick review to decide if I like it enough to buy it. Looking for books on Amazon just isn’t the same.

      And while I do occasionally read eBooks, I don’t find the process as satisfying as holding a real book and having to physically turn the pages — not to mention the issue of having to “recharge” the eReader right at an very interesting section in the eBook because the battery got too low!

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      alejr: “There’s nothing like being able to wander down the isles and actually pull a “physical” book off the shelf for a quick review to decide if I like it enough to buy it.

      That is (was?) known as “browsing” and it used to be a readily available way of experiencing a very personal, intimate pleasure, doing it in a big store crammed to the rafters, it seemed sometimes, with books. No more, unless there is in one’s area one of the few stores of one of the very remaining chains, or a probably struggling independent store run by some dedicated owner. The people who worked, and those who still work on book stores, many of them book lovers, always happy to discuss books with customers. And then there were the talks from writers that took place on a regular basis, mostly in the larger chain stores in big malls. Much of that is now gone, at least here, in the USA.

      But for those of us that have become pandemic-accustomed to more of a life online, and younger ones in particular, that have grown up with the Web as part of their lives, there are online resources that help to at least find things that we might wish to read, and after looking around, take the jump and buy a book, probably a physical one and probably online as well. (I prefer paperbacks, something that takes some waiting for, as these come out last, after the hard-cover have been out for some months, because I like to read in bed and that format is better for doing this.)

      https://www.goodreads.com/

      And for those of us who like to read not just the latest titles but old ones as well, there are online invaluable sources of free copies of books out of copyright, in epub and other formats:

      https://www.gutenberg.org/

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      • #2451036

        …(I prefer paperbacks, something that takes some waiting for, as these come out last, after the hard-cover have been out for some months, because I like to read in bed and that format is better for doing this.)…

        Paperbacks are also (or, at least, used to be) a lot less expen$ive than hardcover books! BUT, as Oscar said above, one has to have a measure of patience to get them. I’ve had to wait about a year to get a book in paperback after seeing it published in hardcover in the past.

        OK, enough of this, as it’s getting off-topic. 😳

    • #2451034

      Also, let’s not forget the public libraries.

      They also may offer a wide selection of ebooks (try a web search for ‘overdrive library ebooks’). I have been a longtime fan of Overdrive, using it on browser or Android tablet or phone. It was a godsend during the pandemic when the physical libraries were closed.

      Regards, Phil

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