Microsoft releases 11 new .NET patches – but none (yet) for Win10 1703, 1709 or 1803

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Yesterday saw a massive attempt — the fifth try this month — to fix the July .NET security patches. Oddly, Microsoft fixed Win10 1607/Server 2016, b
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Yesterday saw a massive attempt — the fifth try this month — to fix the July .NET security patches. Oddly, Microsoft fixed Win10 1607/Server 2016, b[See the full post at: Microsoft releases 11 new .NET patches – but none (yet) for Win10 1703, 1709 or 1803]

Woody,

And I still wonder what does .NET Framework do on my machine?  Do I really NEED it? If so, WHY?

Win7 SP1 x64 on an HP G62 Laptop and on an HP Desktop.

Thanks, in advance,

Dave

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Some applications use .NET to run, just like, for instance, Minecraft needs Java.
You may not need it… you can uninstall .NET, if you have any framework newer than 3.51 (which is included with Windows 7 and usually enabled under Windows Features by default). If you’re missing .NET and an application needs it, you’ll most likely get an error when you try to open the application and it will probably even say .NET is missing.

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Windows Management Framework 5.1 (KB3191566), requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 or later. KB3191566 will fail to install or uninstall if .NET Framework 4.5 or higher is not installed on a Windows 7 SP1 machine as I found out myself (almost the hard way).

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If you use HP update manager it runs off a .Net setup. Sadly when you uninstall a program that required it. That uninstall application does not uninstall the .Net stuff. Sometimes it is hard to tell if anything still uses it.

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It would be nice to see some dependencies on .NET, whether a certain version is required for a program to run as intended or just to remove unused versions from previous uninstalled programs. I came across a utility from https://www.thewindowsclub.com to use as a last resort to remove certain .NET versions should the uninstall not work properly.

It’s been in my windows USB toolkit for a while now: net-framework-removal-cleanup-tool

Do NOT use if you don’t know what programs are dependent on a .NET framework version. It’ll bork your programs that need the framework.

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Process Explorer shows .net processes in a different color.  Mine shows yellow, and I don’t think I changed the defaults.   I don’t see essential stuff using it, but there is some stuff I like that uses net, such as EMET, and Tinywall.   So, I’ll leave the net hanging around.   [Win 8,1 x64 pro]

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Released to the update catalog, but not to WSUS.

Manual downloads (and / or manual checkin to WSUS) required.  Why?

Also,  in the KB articles for some of the updates: “We recommend that you exit all .NET Framework-based applications before you apply this update.”

Microsoft really haven’t got a clue, have they?

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I saw that. No idea why they aren’t in WSUS yet.

I also haven’t a clue why MS didn’t release the same updates for Win10 1703, 1709 or 1803.

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https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2018/07/30/net-framework-july-2018-update/

’tis fastest to put them on the catalog site.  You have to jump through more hoops to get them on MU or WSUS.

 

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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WildBill

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P.S. you can read there… the impact to their own products (Exchange, CRM, BizTalk) was a bigger deal.  Workstations weren’t showing as many side effects as the server platforms were.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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The only .NET patch I’m seeing is the 2018-06 Preview (KB 4291493), which appeared after the original  2018-07 .NET patch was pulled.  Is the 2018-07 .NET rollup going to be reissued via Windows Update?

P.S. I’m running .NET 4.7.1. on Win 7 x64.

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The fixes will be in the August releases.  Wait until then.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

The fixes will be in the August releases. Wait until then.

OK.  Thanks.

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@Woody “I also haven’t a clue why MS didn’t release the same updates for Win10 1703, 1709 or 1803”
The answer might be with the different Internet Information Services (IIS) versions used by different operating systems. I tested 3 resolution patches and each failed because I didn’t have IIS enabled. Knowing nothing about IIS, I did a quick lookup and found things changed with the evolving operating systems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Information_Services
Maybe IIS has nothing to do with the .Net Rollup issue and the resolutions are simply worthless to me. MS has more explaining to do.

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You have to stop services and many applications to install that patch. Folks are expected to use safe mode?

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Makes me happy that I’ve begun the reimage-back-to-7 process at home on all my machines; 1 of 3 finished now. Phooey with not being able to control updates, when MS clearly hasn’t got a clue anymore.

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We have a couple more weeks to Patch Tuesday and as yet there’s still time for more updates for .NET Framework to appear between now and then. How many more .NET Framework updates will  become available?

Wait.

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well woody I nearly called it 🙂 – MS would release new updates around the end of July and may release new updates for other versions of Win10 either late today 7/31 or perhaps on 8/1.

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My older desktops seem to have more and more issues with Windows 10. Probably because the PC makers stopped doing any support specifically for those models for Windows 10. Whatever I had installed that required .Net I tried to uninstall. Actually I have tried to remove myself from anything Microsoft other then Win 10 OS. My older PC’s really suffered with Windows 10 so I moved them to Linux Mint after a dismal attempt at running Windows 7 on them.

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Loved the article title 🙂

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I have Raymondcc .NET Detector installed. When I run it, the only versions it says I have installed are 2.0 SP2, 3.0 SP2 & 3.5 SP1. 4.5, 4.6 & 4.7 aren’t installed & I would click each one to install. Assuming I got caught up, any patches from Microsoft would apply to these versions. The applicable patches for Windows 8.1, I would download from the Update Catalog, right?

As for what shows via Windows Update, I see the “Important” Security & Quality Rollup for .NET Framework inclusive (KB4340558) & the “Recommended” [unchecked] .NET Framework for 4.7.2 (KB4054566). Not touching anything at all yet, but what versions of .NET do I really need & how can I tell without futzing around & borking something important? Backing up before doing anything is Step 0, of course!

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Currently, Microsoft maintain 3 versions of .NET:
3.5 Family (2.0 SP2, 3.0 SP2 & 3.5 SP1)
4.5.2
4.6 and beyond

3.5 is the legacy branch, core part of OS since Windows 7

4.5.2 is the Long-Term branch of 4.0 Family, supported until the end of Win 7/8.1

4.6 and beyond is the active branch of 4.0 Family, any new version will take place once deployed to Windows Update
meaning, any new updates for any version in this range will be based on latest public version (4.7.2 in this case)
the good practice is to install the latest version, instead installing e.g. 4.6.1 then patch it with 4.7.2 files

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.net, java, Flash etc. Old technologies that should have gone the way of the dodo long time ago. Now that Microsoft lost control of this junk, we all have to suffer

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.NET Framework are part of the underlying structure for software. Read here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

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To me, this just sounds like Java… It is NOT required for programmers to use it. It’s just a tool to make things easier, not more efficient.

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An epiphany. So, this is how software development works at Microsoft:

https://xkcd.com/2021/

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WildBill

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“Microsoft releases 11 new .NET patches – but none (yet) for Win10 1703, 1709 or 1803”
Maybe they will never get them: “Microsoft Store is now recommending users to upgrade to the latest version of Windows 10”

Windows lifecycle fact sheet

Glad I’m still on 7

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they’ll probably be included in the August 2018 updates for Win10 v1703/v1709/v1803 coming August 14 (patch Tuesday). I guess MS was a little burned out after releasing many .NET patches for Win7/8.1 & Win10 v1607 at the end of July.

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Which versions of .NET framework do you have installed?

Should anyone be interested:

Microsoft “How To” documentation

– Carl –

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StruldBrug

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.Net Check works well and has quick retrieval for what you’re missing.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/net_check.html

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anonymous,

.NET version 4.7.1 installed on Feb 15, 2018.

Dave

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Microsoft has posted a recent article on Resolutions and Workarounds for Access Denied errors concerning the latest .NET updates. Last Updated: Jul 31, 2018.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4345913/access-denied-errors-after-installing-july-2018-security-rollup-update

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