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    ISSUE 21.45.1 • 2024-11-07 By Susan Bradley In the midst of Microsoft’s pushing Windows 11 24H2 and updates for Windows 10, caution is in order. As a
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    Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2715530

      Regarding iOS 18.1, the Hearing Aid functionality enabled for the AirPods Pro 2 is more important to me than either issues with the Photo app or Apple Intelligence.

      In the short time that I have used the Hearing Aid function I experience great benefit from it. Apple’s hearing test diagnosed mild hearing loss. I am in the target population for the Hearing Aid. I wear the AirPods Pro 2 hearing aids for social functions and around my family.

      Reviewers and Apple note that most adults have not had a hearing test in decades. There’s likely a large population of people out there with hearing loss who may benefit as I have from the Hearing Aid functionality.

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    • #2715535

      Re “by announcing a price of $30 for one year.”

      It is so sad that millions of consumers, that just have a PC for home banking and shopping and have no idea what an ESU is or how to use it, will not spend $30 a year for such and will leave their PC wide open for exploits by hackers.

      In the current social environment where greed seems to be the new norm, I really don’t expect Microsoft to have a conscience, but MS should think about the long term cost from hackers draining even more money from people with unsecure PCs and how that lost money won’t be available to buy expensive future PCs.

      I also don’t expect in our current government environment for the US to require MS to provide security updates but perhaps the European Union that seems more willing to protect consumers will force MS to provide security updates.

      PC security is not something to be manipulated to make more money. It has become a national safety issue.

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    • #2715561

      Hi Susan,
      You wrote: “I suspect the one-year consumer plan is intended as a bridge to Windows 11.”
      I am a devoted win 10 user, but… With win 10 going towards NeverNeverLand I assume that many win 10 users, like me, consider transition to win 11.
      Over the last years I’ve seen many articles dealing with how to ‘soften’ the transit.
      Can you at Ask Woody refer us readers to articles, in and out of Ask Woody to those that you believe would be most helpful?
      thank you
      laksi

    • #2715573

      Back in the 1990’s decade I was working in a 5 story office building. I did not know too much about Windows at the time other than every employee had a Windows PC.

      Then Microsoft did the same thing then as now – coming out with a new system that makes the old one obsolete.

      I vividly remember in the driveway at the base of the building a huge dumpster (about the size of a large trailer truck) was backed up, and a crew up on the roof were tossing all the PCs that had been removed from all the offices down into the dumpster for trucking to a land fill.

      That was then but now with landfills filling up and the high cost of recycling it would seem prudent and responsible to give our hardware as much life as possible. (Just imagine millions of Win 10 PCs which cannot be extended or updated to Win 11 (like my 4 PCs) going into our city landfills!!).  Short term profit can have a very high long term cost.

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    • #2715619

      I have installed Windows 11 24H2 on one laptop, and the leverage Microsoft applies is appalling.  The only choice is to set up the system with a Microsoft account, same as Apple requires for MacOS.  No local account.

      Worse yet, my client has no clue what his password is for his previous encounter with his email address and his Microsoft account, one of those undisciplined people who does not understand the importance of keeping independent records of web site logins and passwords.  So I can’t go further.

      What’s worse is that I cannot shut the computer down cold, while I wait for him to give me some passwords to try.  Win 11 won’t let me.  It goes to sleep, wakes up immediately when I open the lid, so the battery continues to run down.  My only recourse is to take the bottom cover off, disconnect the battery, and probably revert to Windows 11 23H2.

      All I can say about 24H2 is AVOID!

       

      • #2715626

        All I can say about 24H2 is AVOID!

        24H2 is a buggy mess. It has no business being generally available. This is probably the worst update Microsoft has released in years.

      • #2715698

        I’m assuming Home?  Let me test again as I believe there is still a way around this.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2715650

      One more bug reported for this shameful mess of an update.  I will avoid Windows 11 and use whatever alternative OS suits me at the time.

      https://www.pcworld.com/article/2514044/windows-11-24h2-breaks-popular-alt-tab-shortcut-heres-what-you-can-do.html

    • #2715672

      At such time that maintaining Windows 10 securely becomes problematic I will implement the same strategy that I used when Vista reached end of support…install Linux Mint!

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    • #2715734

      An alternative to Microsoft’s ESU for Win10 after next fall was mentioned by Steve Gibson in Security Now! Podcast 999:

      0patch is cheaper than Microsoft’s ESU, is easier to install, and will be supported longer.

      Worth reading SG’s comments for the Security Now! Podcast. You can go to GRC.com \ Services \ Security Now! for details.

       

      Ron

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      • #2715777

        Windows 10 isn’t component-simple or “traditional” as Windows 7 was
        it’s complicate mess and clash of platforms (Win32, UWP, WNF, controlled features…)
        i doubt 0patch will be sufficient as actual updates

    • #2715825

      If I can get another year of service from my hardware through Windows 10 ESU I will probably take that road.  From a practical standpoint, the cost for a year’s grace period is a lot more affordable than other recurring household expenses.

      Finally, when the time for me to purchase a new system eventually arrives Microsoft will hopefully have stabilized Windows 11.

    • #2715850

      the cost for a year’s grace period is a lot more affordable than other recurring household expenses.

      It all depends. If you have a family with teenagers with their own PCs or like me with 4 PCs, then that $30 becomes $120. Also $30 may be insignificant to some people but an unaffordable additional expense to others.

      But the real issue here is “forced obsolescence”. The US car manufacturers tried that back in the fifties/sixties by not supplying repair parts after a few years to force buying new cars. The result of that was Japan entering the market with high quality cars and even today with Hyundi offering 10 year warranties. In addition, new businesses were created to manufacture after-market parts so in effect Detroit shot themselves in the foot by being too greedy.

      I believe also at the time it caused government to pass legislation to require auto makers to make parts available for 10 years. Does Microsoft really want any more government involvement?

       

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    • #2715907

      government to pass legislation to require auto makers to make parts available for 10 years. Does Microsoft really want any more government involvement?

      Windows 10 will be supported 10 years coming 2025. 11 years with customers ESU and 13 years with enterprise ESU.

    • #2715919

      recently saw this on Neowin – Microsoft doesn’t like you downloading Windows 10 even from official source anymore

      while MS is offering ESU for Win10, they kinda also discourage folks from downloading Win10 install media & encourage them to upgrade to Win11 instead

    • #2715939

      while MS is offering ESU for Win10, they kinda also discourage folks from downloading Win10

      ESU brings money, downloading doesn’t.

    • #2716151

      I have installed windows24H2 on 3 computers here. Win 11 23h2 Pro, Win 11 23h2 Home, and Windows 10, all with no known problems. I run a local account on all three machines.

      I used the server install method

      M B Helwig

      mbhelwig

    • #2716194

      The last version of windows!

      🙂

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