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may2020 or october 20h2 – neither will work on any machine older than 2013
Intel has posted “no driver updates” for pre-2013 PCs
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@geekdom – thx 4 asking,
this is some serious **** that is not being explored honestly:
the intel page is straightforward – https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05195282
the lack of discussion on Woody lounge is disheartening
Am running straight Intel rig, no graphics card, no sound card, Intel mobo 8300 Elite SFF core I-5, 8 Gig ram, 30% free space SSD
Tried the standalone WIN10 installer which showed 3 check boxes saying my rig passed the upgrade requirements for CPU, Ram, & drive space. Install proceeded and upon reboot showed fail error and reverted to old 1909 installation.
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the intel page is straightforward – https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05195282
That link is to HP, not Intel.
I have Dell Latitude E5420 I bought in early 2011 with Windows 7 Pro. It has an Intel Core i5-2520M, two core, multi-threading CPU. It has been upgraded up through Windows 10 Pro Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) without issue or hiccup.
That some OEM’s (HP, Lenovo) have difficulties, particularly older models, does not equate to an Intel/Microsoft conspiracy. If the OEM doesn’t want to write drivers for older hardware, it’s not because Intel or Microsoft told them not to, it’s because the OEM doesn’t want to invest the time and effort.
Have you ever had a notice from MS stating that your device is ‘Ready for 2004’?
Subsystem intel chipset drivers or Graphics drivers up-to-date?
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/
I’ve found hp (not limited to), drop their device driver downloads after a period of time ;(
So I usually hunt on specific hardware manufacturers sites like intel/nvidia etc.. for latest drivers.
just really angry at being forced to abandon perfectly wonderful 4-core 3.6Gigz rig.
Also this kind of behaviour pattern isn’t really news… but people may not have been aware that the support period has been getting shorter. Which is a really annoying trend in my opinion.
I mentioned that happening on the nVidia/Linux side the other time, so no, it’s not just Intel or HP or even Microsoft…
I mentioned that happening on the nVidia/Linux side the other time, so no, it’s not just Intel or HP or even Microsoft…
…but it is primarily within the proprietary software realm, particularly when the author of the proprietary software wants you to buy something new (and for those who don’t know what I mean, the nVidia drivers for Linux are proprietary, unlike those from AMD [for recent hardware] or Intel).
They do this stuff because they can. People have gotten so used to replacing phones every couple years that other hardware vendors are guessing that they will tolerate the same thing with other stuff… and they’re probably right.
FWIW, my desktop PC has a motherboard that was probably manufactured in 2012 (It’s a Sandy Bridge/Cougar Point setup). No plans to upgrade it at present. Its GTX 760 GPU is still working with the newest nVidia proprietary drivers, and if it doesn’t make it to the point that its performance is inadequate for my rather meager needs before nVidia cuts it off, I’ll have to give AMD some thought, even though nVidia’s performance per dollar and per watt is way ahead. I don’t buy things to send messages, but I do buy with my own needs in mind, now and in the future. At least a GPU in a desktop can be replaced without much issue (in contrast to PCs like my Dell G3, where I would have to replace the whole thing to upgrade to a newer GPU).
How long do I expect a hardware OEM to provide driver support? In short, as long as there are more than a tiny number of people out in the world using it. If nVidia refuses to provide the info and cooperation to make the open-source drivers decent (and they do), then they need to provide support for as long as the Nouveau devs would, or else they’re on my list. You know the one, but I can’t say its name here. Not that they care much about my opinion, but it’s the acceptance by the general populace of arbitrary obsolescence that make this kind of thing possible.
Windows 10 ran fine on the old PC last I tried, but that was some five years ago. It was on there for maybe ten minutes before I’d seen enough and went back to 7. I do have another PC with almost identical specs that I was using back then as a test PC for 10 (and Linux), as I expected MS to do as they always have, which is to say listen to the customers and improve the product. By the first update, I could see that this was not going to happen, so I began the process of migrating. Windows 10 got wiped from the test PC, and Linux went on the main PC as dual-boot.
Dell XPS 13/9310, i5-1135G7/16GB, KDE Neon 6.2
XPG Xenia 15, i7-9750H/32GB & GTX1660ti, Kubuntu 24.04
Acer Swift Go 14, i5-1335U/16GB, Kubuntu 24.04 (and Win 11)
Am running straight Intel rig, no graphics card, no sound card, Intel mobo 8300 Elite SFF core I-5, 8 Gig ram, 30% free space SSD Tried the standalone WIN10 installer which showed 3 check boxes saying my rig passed the upgrade requirements for CPU, Ram, & drive space. Install proceeded and upon reboot showed fail error and reverted to old 1909 installation.
You probably should correct the facts in the title of your post as this is clearly not an Intel/Microsoft issue, but just an OEM vendor issue, such as with HP in your case.
I just updated an older system to Windows 10 2004 in July of this year. It was running an Intel H61 Express chipset, launched in Q1-2011. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/52806/intel-h61-express-chipset.html
My CPU was a 3rd gen Ivy Bridge launched in Q3-2012.
The motherboard equipped with this old chipset was manufactured by ASUS, and the last chipset drivers that they offered were in 2015. Last BIOS was in 2014.
But this system still upgraded to Win10 2004 without issue. So no problem with Intel or Microsoft here as far as I can see. Best to always check your facts before posting any accusations!
Windows 10 Pro 22H2
Remember the “”The processor is not supported together with the Windows version that you are currently using” error..” ?
Hmmm, but that is the reverse situation, and only applies to Windows 8.1, Windows 7, Windows Server 2012 R2 Datacenter, Windows Server 2012 R2 Standard, Windows Server 2012 R2 Foundation, Windows Server 2012 R2 Essentials, Windows Server 2008 R2 Datacenter, Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise, Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard, Windows Server 2008 R2 Foundation.
That is a requirement that you must use Windows 10 for Intel seventh (7th)-generation processors or later.
This isn’t forced hardware scrapping, it is forced OS obsolescence.
Windows 10 Pro 22H2
Intel driver support asst now new and impressive
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YUP, thanks!
new video driver dated 2020 installed successfully,
(which intel support asst failed to find!
will now try update again
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using I-5 3470
The CPU model # indicates the generation of Intel Core CPU.
For example, i5-3xxx is a 3rd gen Intel Core Ivy Bridge CPU, based on the 3 at the beginning of the last 4 digits. My CPU was also Ivy Bridge. The Win10 update should work on that. If it isn’t, Windows must be looking for something besides the CPU, such as chipset or other integrated motherboard device drivers.
Windows 10 Pro 22H2
Fresh Install Fails
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thanks to all for all the truly helpful suggestions.
so i found 2 intel driver updates for cpu/vid & audio plus a new intel driver assistant. all are useful / helpful. but still no update possible using either MS “update assistant” or the “installation media”
total fail on gorgeous fast stock intel rig.
no excuse🤒😠
Not sure what your comfort level is with building a system, but since you like that CPU you could look on ebay for a used socket 1155 ATX motherboard from an independent manufacturer (i.e. not OEM) with an Intel chipset that would be compatible with your current CPU and RAM.
Then with a new case, and possibly a new power supply, you could abandon that HP system and move all of the drives and other peripherals over to a new PC case. Hopefully the existing generic (old) Intel drivers will make Microsoft happy.
I realize that may sound extreme, but that CPU should still be good! Loss of motherboard, and case yes, but good riddance HP! 🙂
Edit: unfortunately some OEM’s, such as HP, often customize their drivers from Intel, so that they are no longer using official Intel drivers. That is why it is recommended to get your driver updates directly from your OEM manufacturer. But if the OEM has hit end of life or support for a given product, there is not much you can do.
Windows 10 Pro 22H2
Having been warned about allowing windows to install drivers, I tried Acer (laptop) site for drivers but nothing appears as available?? Use the intel driver assistant? When I go to intel, I am offered 2 (wifi and bluetooth) ! winupdate offers something I dont know what? intel HDC 12/20/2018 12:00am 17.0.0.1072 ( I use wushowhide, Grp Policy setting 2 to hide this) So I am confused- Intel Assistant or wu?
Having been warned about allowing windows to install drivers, I tried Acer (laptop) site for drivers but nothing appears as available??
I see you wrote that you tried to edit this post to delete it as it might be in the wrong thread. Is there some more context to this issue in another thread? What is the trouble you are having that makes you want to change the driver (or is it just the appearance of updates in Windows Update and Intel that makes you think it would be a good idea)?
Dell XPS 13/9310, i5-1135G7/16GB, KDE Neon 6.2
XPG Xenia 15, i7-9750H/32GB & GTX1660ti, Kubuntu 24.04
Acer Swift Go 14, i5-1335U/16GB, Kubuntu 24.04 (and Win 11)
Can msft be trusted to offer usable Intel software?
Yes they can, as is attested by the millions of PCs that update automatically without issue.
We are just less trusting here.
cheers, Paul
but my ? is should I let these install? I have them hidden for the time being. Am also leery of Intel microcode( Don’t want it) so not knowing is worrisome.
Don’t install those Intel drivers posted by Microsoft. Keep blocking Microsoft’s drivers updates.
I do install Intel’s microcode.
The motherboard in question may be fairly close to an off-the-shelf component motherboard. The last HP desktop I looked at closely had such a board in it… I was rather surprised, but I was able to look up the part number of the board (that was silkscreened on the PCB) and get the info directly from the hardware manufacturer (I can’t remember which one it was, but it was one of the big board makers). It was a regular ATX format board (and therefore the case was too), a far cry from the completely proprietary motherboard and case models the ASTs and such I used to yell at back in the early 90s.
I hear you, and you are probably correct. But in the OP’s case we are talking about an HP board that was designed about 8 years ago, so more details are probably needed for that one.
Windows 10 Pro 22H2
In the interest of transparent honesty, the Intel 8300 Elite WILL install win2004 and perform latest updates when a fresh install is used on a bare drive. This should be my last post on the topic with gratitude to all who helped me navigate these treacherous waters. Maybe someday MS will provide an update that will allow my system to Upgrade my existing drive complete with apps and date, but for now I’m stuck on 1909.
You might try uninstalling all traces of the HP utilities on your existing drive, since you were able to install 2004 on a bare drive. Perhaps it is one of those HP programs that Microsoft is seeing as incompatible with the upgrade?
Windows 10 Pro 22H2
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