Need Eudora alternative (shared folder)

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To my complete horror, Eudora 7… which I have been -very- happily using for 15 years… is awful in Windows 7 64.

If you’re a Eudora user you know what I’m on about. If not, basically take my word for it that -everyone- eventually gets sick of ‘the problem’ and moves onto something else. And ‘the problem’ is that it tends to lock up while scanning for messages. Given up trying trying to fix it. My hope is to find an alternative.

The logical candidate is Thunderbird, however I -cannot- for the life of me figure out how to make it do THE ONE THING THAT MADE EUDORA TOTALLY INDISPENSABLE… which is… Eudora made it easy to have as many mail accounts as one likes stored on a folder which could be shared by multiple PCs on the same LAN.

I do NOT want to go to web mail. I do NOT want to use IMAP. I want another e-mail client that lets me do what Eudora did… again, have a ‘share’ that can be accessed by multiple PCs (not simultaneously).

Sorry for sounding so bitter, but I have found so many people under a certain age who have -no- idea what I’m talking about or -why- I would even -want- to do this. But I’ve got a zillion e-mail accts for several businesses and it is -way- easier to manage this with Eudora than any ‘gmail’ or IMAP solution I’ve found. Ironically, Outlook Express -used- to allow this with their PST files, but I’m told this is no longer possible in Win 7.

So… with all that… any alternatives? Paid or unpaid. I have Office… maybe Outlook can do this? Another client program with which I’m not familiar,

Thanks so much for any help. This one thing is by -far- the worst part of upgrading to Win 7… which is otherwise -way- better than XP.

Cheers,

—JC

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Have you looked at Windows Live Mail? I have 2 Pop and 1 web mail set up so far. You can set WLM up to allow messages to be left on the server and then can be accessed by another PC. I am not sure about shared over a Lan. I never tried this.

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This doesn’t seem to be a common feature in email clients. You ask about Outlook. A quick google search will allow you to find some Outlook pst file synchronization apps, but most of them do not seem to provide automatic synchronization, which it seems to be what you want. I would definitely not run Outlook over a shared networked file, but synching the file to the different computers. Maybe have a look at the different available apps and see if any of them could be of use to you.

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Thanks. I don’t need to -synch- anything. I just need to be able to access the same accounts over several machines in my house/office (there are outbuildings). The way I’ve always done it—with Eudora, is to have the ‘database’ stored on a server and set up each client of Eudora to ‘point’ to that shared folder.

Thunderbird is supposed to be able to do this through ‘Profiles’ but there is no good docs on how to do it. All the people who -say- they can do it haven’t posted instructions… strictly anecdotal. I’ve got like 12 e-mail accounts and it would be a PAIN to have to use a web mail app for all that.

—JC

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Move your Profile To A Network Drive
Install Thunderbird separately on each computer but store your profile on a network file share. To launch This method to sync Thunderbird email requires that you have access to a shared / network drive. This is the most convenient method in the long run. However, it involves moving your existing profile to that drive, which can be tricky.

First make sure Show hidden files and folders is on. Close Thunderbird. Now copy the profile folder to the desired location on the network drive.

In Win7 you will find your Thunderbird profile under > C:UsersAppDataRoamingThunderbirdProfiles
If you do not see the “AppData” folder, that’s because it’s hidden. Make sure Show hidden files and folders is on.

Once the profile has arrived in its new location, go to > “C:UsersAppDataRoamingThunderbird” and open the profiles.ini file in a text editor.

This file lists all profiles registered with your installed Thunderbird. Locate the one you just moved and change the > Path= line to the new location, for example > Path=”E:Thunderbird Profilexxxxxxx.default”. Make sure to change > IsRelative=1 to > IsRelative=0 in case you switch from a relative to a non-relative path. Also, the direction of slashes in the path will change from “/” (relative) to “” (non-relative).

Make this change to the profiles.ini file on each computer Thunderbird is installed on. Once all machines are working correctly clean up the profiles on the C: drives by deleting the xxxxxxx.default file.

The only drawback I see to this method is there might be some issues if T-Bird is running on multiple machines and more than one machine tries to check and update mail at the same time. I have not tested this so I’m not sure of the effects of data collision.

A Mozilla Help article is here
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Synchronizing_mail_on_two_computers_%28Thunderbird%29

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A quick update. This actually -works-. If you like T-Bird (and that’s another question at the point), Using the procedure has, in pretty extensive testing so far, has worked OK.

THE GOOD
Better in many ways than Eudora under XP. And by ‘better’ I mean
1. Everyone worries about trashing the mail database if 2 people try to run the program at the same time. That was always a -possible- issue w Eudora… in practice it was almost never a problem. You were protected because Eudora would simply crash, leaving a file ‘owner.lok’ that needs to be deleted in order to re-start. In T-Bird, it refuses to launch on machine #2 if T-Bird is running on machine #1 with the same Profile (mail db). So that’s good.

2. Performance (getting messages, searching), overall, is better. It’s actually -slightly- worse than Eudora under XP. But it’s -uniform- across all machines on my LAN—XP or Win7… Wi-fi or Cat6… and that was my deal-breaker with Eudora.

THE BAD
T-Bird is -different. Hoo Boy. Another aspect of Eudora I -really- liked were the Personalities (essentially the ‘from’ accounts). What was nice about Eudora is that you never had to deal with them—didn’t have to see them. You see your mail from the standpoint of -folders-. Regardless of which account you used to send the e-mail, they show up in this ‘In’ box and then set up filters to auto-move them to folders. For -whatever- reason (and I guess other e-mailers are like this?) T-Bird is oriented all around these ‘from’ addresses. You -can’t- get them out of the way—at least by default. And this is driving me nuts so far. I gotta set up some filters, but I -wish- I could simply -hide- the entire left hand column… as you can in Eudora. But you can’t. The -folders- where you actually wanna file messages are now wayyyyyyyyyy down @ the bottom -below- the Personalities. I wish you could change the order of folder display—but I don’t think you can. Other than this… which is a bit of a drag… all the grousing I read from ex-users seems overblown. Seems to work fine.

Oh yeah, the Search is not terrible… but even though it -looks- more ‘flexible’ than Eudora, it’s actually a bit slower and you can’t just search ‘anywhere’ quite as easily. Eudora was fast and easy for experienced users–like me. I gues they tried to make it have more ‘broad appeal’. Which was stupid IMO.

THE UGLY
The import is just DREADFUL. I tried -several- strategies to get this done, but all were (as Adenoid Hynkel might say) ‘far from perfect’. I kept thinking the Search was buggy–because of various anecdotes from earlier versions, but then I realised that ‘there’s no there there.’ The Search wasn’t bad… the earlier msgs just didn’t get in there. Since T-Bird 3 is basically ‘Eudora 10’ this is completely unacceptable. This alone is what’s keeping me from making the final jump. I will (probably) suck it up and stick with it if there are no other serious issues, but jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Thanks again for all the replies. I hope this rant helps someone else in a similar situation.

—JC

Move your Profile To A Network Drive
Install Thunderbird separately on each computer but store your profile on a network file share. To launch This method to sync Thunderbird email requires that you have access to a shared / network drive. This is the most convenient method in the long run. However, it involves moving your existing profile to that drive, which can be tricky.

First make sure Show hidden files and folders is on. Close Thunderbird. Now copy the profile folder to the desired location on the network drive.

In Win7 you will find your Thunderbird profile under > C:UsersAppDataRoamingThunderbirdProfiles
If you do not see the “AppData” folder, that’s because it’s hidden. Make sure Show hidden files and folders is on.

Once the profile has arrived in its new location, go to > “C:UsersAppDataRoamingThunderbird” and open the profiles.ini file in a text editor.

This file lists all profiles registered with your installed Thunderbird. Locate the one you just moved and change the > Path= line to the new location, for example > Path=”E:Thunderbird Profilexxxxxxx.default”. Make sure to change > IsRelative=1 to > IsRelative=0 in case you switch from a relative to a non-relative path. Also, the direction of slashes in the path will change from “/” (relative) to “” (non-relative).

Make this change to the profiles.ini file on each computer Thunderbird is installed on. Once all machines are working correctly clean up the profiles on the C: drives by deleting the xxxxxxx.default file.

The only drawback I see to this method is there might be some issues if T-Bird is running on multiple machines and more than one machine tries to check and update mail at the same time. I have not tested this so I’m not sure of the effects of data collision.

A Mozilla Help article is here
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Synchronizing_mail_on_two_computers_(Thunderbird)

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FWIW…I have no problems with Eudora on Win 7/64. The secret is to NOT install the data files in the folder that Eudora wants to use, but in a different one (AppDataRoamingEudora…no “QualComm”) that Win 7 wants to use.

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I don’t see the problem. I use Eudora 7.1 on Windows 7 64bit without problems on a single user machine. On a two user machine there is a problem if both users want Eudora to be their default client. I find that the first user has no problem and there is a solution for the two user system, see below. After an update the solution may have to be applied again. My apologies to the original authors of the these hints. I found them on the web but have lost the links to the original authors.
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Windows 7 and Vista don’t allow programs to store data files in the location that Eudora 7 wants to use.

If the installer asks you to Choose Data Folder , select C:UsersAppDataRoamingQualcommEudora .

If the installer doesn’t ask you to choose, change the folder before running Eudora for the first time:

1. Right-click the desktop Eudora shortcut.
2. Click Properties .
3. Set the Start in: folder to “C:UsersAppDataRoamingEudora ”

If you have Windows 7 set up for two users and both want to use Eudora, you will encounter a problem with one of the users.

When starting Eudora for the first time on Windows 7, you may receive the following error after attempting to set Eudora as the default mail program:

“Eudora was unable to update the system registry. Your default mail program has not been changed”.

To resolve this, make sure that Eudora is set to check if it is the default mail program (Tools -> Options -> Extra Warnings -> “Start Eudora and it’s not the default mailer” should be checked).

Then, quit Eudora and start it again by right-clicking on the shortcut for Eudora and selecting “Run as Administrator”. When you choose to set Eudora as the default, you should no longer receive the error.

You may need to perform the “Run as Administrator” action twice. From then on, start Eudora as you normally would. However the problem may reoccur after a Windows Update. In that case perform this procedure again.

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I don’t have a solution to your problem, but if you’ve been using Eudora “forever” and you’re using Win 7, then maybe you’d be able to help me? I am using Win 7 32, and have been using Eudora since e-mail began, and there really is NO substitute, none. But I wanted to back up some mail boxes the other day and I cannot find them! No honestly. They were always in EudoraData, but they’re not there. I can still access the e-mails within Eudora, but when I did a search for *.mbx nothing was found, not a single .mbx anywhere.

This has me baffled. Any suggestions???

David

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I commiserate with you. I also tried Thunderbird and hated it for the same reasons. I just have the single user installation of Eudora on Win7 64 and have no problems. I was wondering, would the issues you had have anything to do with the networking quirks when setting up a home group using Win7 and XP machines?

If only someone would come up with an improved Eudora (retaining its simple nuts and bolts framework) I’d buy it.

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Outlook was not really meant for that purpose, so it probably does not qualify as a reliable solution, even with sharing solutions, which are available and can be found through a google search.

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I have MS Outlook 2003 running on three PC’s on a small office LAN (two using Windows 7 and one still on Windows XP Pro). The main .PST file is located on the primary PC in a shared folder. This means that all email comes into one email address and then is moved to each users subfolder based on message rules. This arrangement has the advantage that all users have their own subfolder but can also easily view email going to other users if necessary (we don’t have to worry about security problems between users). The only disadvantage is that only one user can access the main .PST file at a time. I would like to enable simultaneous access but suspect that it’s not possible. Having a .PST on a shared network folder has not caused a problem in the five years or so that we have done this. Not sure if this is what you want, but it works for us.

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I am also a Eudora fan, still using version 7…something. I have no problems on my Win 7 64 machine but I use it as a standalone, not a server. Mozilla has a newer version of Eudora. More info can be found in the below links. I tried it and did not like it but that is my personal preference. You might like it and it may work for your purposes.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Eudora_OSE
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope

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A different Eudora update is MailForge at http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/products/mailforge/. I tried it in version 0.X and 1.0X. I didn’t pursue it because at that time the import option didn’t work well, and I didn’t want to redo all my filters and recreate my address book entries. It’s supposed to have all the features of the original Eudora. It’s now at 2.08. It isn’t free, but you get a 30-day trial.

Good luck, whichever way you go.

By the way, I still use Eudora 7.1, on Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit. It works well for me. I use it because every mailbox is saved in plain text, which means I can open suspicious messages in NoteTab Light and see if they are spam or from someone I know, just using someone else’s email.

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Well, there is certainly a lot of information on mail-clients here.
But let me mention a client I’ve been using for ten years now. I have 11 mail account on three domains, all stacked into one tab.
This client allows several identities. It can store gigabytes of stuff: Messages and all kinds of attachments. You can set it to collect mail from all accounts as often as you want. You can decide Your default account (sender) with a click. It has a very good back-up function. It has all kinds of fonts and backgrounds for those who like to play. And it can do many other things. And best of all: Its free in its basic version. For the paid version they give a prompt and efficient support.
Name: IncrediMail.

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Wow. Thanks for all the replies. In no particular order:
1. I was going to try Incredimail but the website is one of those new ‘y-gen’ sites that are basically just snazzy download pages with NO useful info. Like Twitter. Hate ’em on principle.

2. Will try MailForge

3. I want to THANK OldGunny for the step by step approach. I did a trial and it -did- seem to work. Sorta. Copying the profile folder -did- actually move the accounts to my server’s shared folder, but sadly did not move the -messages-. But I -could- view the same accounts from separate computers—which is progress! I tried then doing a Eudora import from within T-Bird but it crashed @ 60% after 90 minutes of thrashing. I will try again this weekend. It remains to be seen whether or not this solves my original problem—ultra-slow scanning, but we’ll see!

4. If that doesn’t work, I -will- try Outlook. Thanks for the tip on that!

5. Another thing I am considering is Live365 mentioned in Woody’s latest column, but that’s a long-shot.

This is going to take a while to figure out since it’s basically my mission-critical app. Hopefully y’all can give me some more specific help as I progress through this ‘process’.

Thanks again!

—JC

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I don’t understand why you (suntower) think Eudora 7 is awful in Windows 7 64. I also (as others here have reported) use Eudora 7.x on a Windows 7 Pro 64bit machine with almost zero problems. There is only one problem I’ve observed that is unique to Windows 7 – mostly cosmetic – it does not display font spacing correctly in the editor (new mail or reply, etc). I do not use the standard Windows directories for my mail folders and sub folders. I also don’t use the initial settings from Eudora 4 which placed the mail folders in the Program FilesEudora directories. Placing these files into a shared folder for access from other machines should be (I have not done it…) no problem.

Based on your experiences, particularly the failed import problem, I’m wondering if you have tried compacting your mailboxes BEFORE attempting to do the import. It is possible with program crashes etc. that you have a corrupt mailbox somewhere and the import failed as a result.

One particular action that I’ve found is almost guaranteed to crash Eudora, in Windows XP or Windows 7, is to click on an an html/URL link in an email (to open the link in a browser), then attempt to do something else in Eudora BEFORE the browser comes up and returns “success” to Eudora. Don’t do that. (Easy to do on a slow machine) On my older Windows XP machine this is too easy to mistakenly do. On my newer faster Windows 7 machine – it’s much hard for me to screw up.

There are several features of this eMail client that I would be very unhappy without. I’ve been following the development of Eudora 8 from Mozilla in the hopes that a stronger client would result. I’d love to see a better filter organizer/editor. I have a great number of filters that I do not want to loose.

I strongly appreciate the two suggestions for similar alternate clients – Incredimail and MailForge. I will have to investigate these further. Thank you.

Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing - Werner Von Braun

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I have no problem with Eudora 7 in Win7 64… so long as I store the messages on a local computer. But that’s not what I do. However, what I -tried- to make clear in my original post, if one tries to store the messages on a shared folder (as I have been happily doing for over a decade) so that -several- computers can all shared the same messages, the Win XP machines work fine but the Win7 machines will either work so slow as to be unusable or simply hang. This is a -well- known issue with -no- proven solution (many anecdotes and urban-legends).

I always seem to sound snarky when I write about this, but it’s just because it totally hit me out of left field—it’s a problem I -never- expected to have with Win7. And it’s -amazing- to me that more people don’t do what I do—have a shared folder. I can’t imagine managing e-mail all these years without that capability.

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I am using Eudora 7 on an old machine running Windows XP..
I’m about to get one using Windows 7.
As it happens, just this morning I saw an announcement about Eudora OSE. The URL is wiki.mozilla.org/Eudora_OSE.
What I am wondering is whether I can import all my saved e-mails for future reference.
On f the things I like about Eudora 7 is that all the attachments get put into a separate sub-folder, so that it’s easy to look through them without having to read the covering message. I am wondering if that will remian the case with Eudora )SE.

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Just catching uo on this thread. Did anyone fine a close replacement for Eudora in the last year?
I have been using Eudora 7.1 since release, started with 5.0
The four pieces that I NEED in a mail client are: 1: Multiple Personalities or account that 2: can be funneled into ONE inbox with 3: Rules that allow inbox messages to be transferred to organized mailboxes and (most important) 4: The ability to have multiple windows (mailboxes) open. All of which Eudora does.
Outlook allows for the first two, Thunderbird screws up multiple accounts into multiple inboxes – and nothing i have seen supports multiple windowing
>.
Anyone out there found a program that will do this?

Now for the why – Eudora 7.1 on Win7 64 bit has the following ‘issues’
1 It will radomly go ‘unresponsive’ – cannot be returned from minimized and has to be killed and restarted
2 Will occasionally stutter while collecting mail – will be unresponsive for 10 – 15 minutes and then return
3 Occasionally will NOT send mail from one (seems random) of my personalities (multiple accounts with multiple incoming and sending POP servers) – requires a shutdown and restart to fix
– I have tried setting compatibility to every version of Windows allowed to no avail.
So I guess I am asking for either an idea on how to keep using Eudora without the above issues or how to find a mail client that satisfies my needs

any ideas?

thanks

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As the o/p…. I migrated to Thunderbird. It’s tolerable. There is simply no solution to #1 or #2 for Eudora. I believe that this is simply a case of a creaky database… after it reaches a certain size, you’re screwed.

I -occasionally- have glitches with T-Bird… most notable:
a) It won’t ‘send’ the first time

b) every so often the search stops working… there is a procedure one follows to force the db to re-index but the first few times it happened I was panicked.

At some point of course, one will have to suck it up, get assimilated and move to GMail. But until that day we muddle through.

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Assuming you’ve installed it OK, as attached, I think it could be an ISP/connection sort of problem. Wrong port, maybe?

36621-Eudora-Install

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Thanks – I had checked with my ISP (verizon) a year ago and they are not blocking/translating ports. They tried a few changes to see if it was their setup but over an hour we were able to repro issue #3 even when ports 25 and 110 were opened for me for that hour. My hosting company has many people using Eudora who do not have my issues (They are die hard XP users) and we went over the problems a year ago, after my Verizon check, and they too could not find a setting that fixed problem 3..

Now my database is quite large – all my folders add up to over 18+G of storage so you may be right – I may just have to prune and delete a lot to fix problems 1 & 2

But from the lack of suggestion, I do not see any ‘windowing’ email clients being presented so I guess there aren’t any .. which really annoys me – I mean I can see that there aren’t a lot of people who want a windowed client, evidently, but not One ? — very sad when I see variation disappearing

But thanks for the advice bilabong and suntower, – if anyone happens to hear of a mail client for Windows or Linux (I run both) that supports multiple Personalities or accounts, can funnel incoming mail into ONE inbox with rules that allow inbox messages to be transferred to organized mailboxes and supports multiple windows (mailboxes) opened – please post it.

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Rhino…they’re in the folder in step #3 of my attachment in posting above.

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Thanks for that, but I have no mention of Eudora except for the Program FilesEudora folder. There is no mention of it in Users at all. Besides I don’t understand why a search for *.mbx finds nothing. And a search for .toc finds files associated with TomTom GPS, none for Eudora. Checking the Properties of the Eudora shortcut on the Desktop shows “Start in C:Program FilesEudora, no mention of AppData. It’s weird, but they’ve got to be somewhere because I can read e-mails back to 2000.

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In my installation, in the C:Program FilesEudora folder there is a file called deudora.ini. In this file the line starting with DataFolder= points to the location of the data folder, which contains all the mailbox and other data files.

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Thanks Arne, I found that file, and it shows: DataFolder=c:Program FilesEudoraData. Which is where the mailboxes have always been located (in XP and previous versions of Windows). And the mystery deepens. In the Data folder there are: In.mbx, In.toc, and Out.mbx, Out.toc, but they are all zero bytes. But in Eudora both In & Out have messages in them. And if I search for .mbx & .toc files Windows Explorer doesn’t find them, not even if I start the search in the Eudora folder. They’ve got to be somewhere, but where???

David

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Rhino….”Windows 7 and Vista don’t allow programs to store data files in the location that Eudora 7 wants to [store them]”. You need to do an uninstall/reinstall with data stored at …AppData/Roaming/Eudora.

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Rhino….”Windows 7 and Vista don’t allow programs to store data files in the location that Eudora 7 wants to [store them]”. You need to do an uninstall/reinstall with data stored at …AppData/Roaming/Eudora.

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Thanks Billabong. You know I just tacked this question on to this thread because I assumed that it was a simple matter. That someone smarter than me would say “Look in. . .” and all would be revealed. It hasn’t turned out that way. My AppDataRoaming folder has no Eudora sub-folder, no Qualcom sub-folder. Eudora isn’t mentioned in any folder under Users…

You say “uninstall/re-install”, that’s do-able, but how do I salvage the existing messages that are stored in some mystery folder chosen by the All-High Win7 Who Must Be Obeyed? IF I could locate the assorted .mbx files I could copy them to a USB disk and replace them after the re-installation, but where oh where have my little .mbxs gone? And why do they need to be hidden at all? What’s that all about? If the contents need to be protected, from the NSA for instance, then the text can be encrypted, there’s no need to hide the folder.

I chose where I wanted to store the data so that I would know where to find it. I don’t use Libraries either for a very good reason, as long as everything is working properly documents in Libraries are immediately accessible, but when things go belly up then you may be out of luck, and documents. And I don’t think it would be any exaggeration to say that things have been known to go belly up from time to time with Windows of any vintage.

David

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Interesting…have you searched entire PC, not just Eudora folder? They might be in Program Files or Hidden Files.

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Yes I have searched the entire PC, all partitions, end to end. The even curiouser thing is that in C:Program FilesEudoraData there is an In.mbx & Out.mbx & Out.toc. These are all 0 byte files, and a search by Explorer for “*.mbx” or “*.toc” does not find them, not even if I start the search in EudoraData. I have “Show hidden and system files” selected, although why these files should be hidden or system I cannot imagine.

David

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Billabong, I happened upon a discussion in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, someone else looking for these missing mailboxes and I thought you may be interested in one of the responses:

“… What Win7 enforces (and WinXP tried to enforce) is that /program files/ directories are READ ONLY locations for executable programs; only an admin account (and even that asks for permission) is allowed to make changes to the directories used for executable code, and that is when running an installer.

“Any attempt by a running application to change files in /program files/ (in Win7) results in a redirection to a ghost directory created for the user.

“The purpose for blocking out /program files/ — to ensure that some application doesn’t inadvertently store a virus or otherwise malevolent into the location where the next invocation of the program starts the virus instead. ”

Unfortunately although this explains WHY Win 7 won’t allow the user to save data in Program FilesEudoraData it doesn’t explain where these “ghost directories” are located, or how to access them.

David

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David…it’s all very perplexing..I’d hoped you’d have at least found them in the hidden files. I was going to suggest Google, but you seem to have gone that route. Did you notice (if Google “Eudora Forums”), there are still some experts out there who seem to accept questions. But the original site (eudorabb) seems gone.

If you have access to another PC, you could install Eudora correctly, and email the messages you want to save to that machine….and then transfer/copy the .mbxs back to the original machine (now having a proper install). Or maybe you could do a second install on your regular PC (but changing the name to EudoraX) and send “emails to yourself”. Messy either way.

I’ll mull this a bit more……….

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Billabong, a couple of possibilities spring to mind.

The ‘ghost directories’ referred to are probably the ones in c:Users’username’AppDataLocalVirtualStore. In that folder you will probably find folders called Program Files and ProgramData. In Program Files you will hopefully find a Eudora (or QualcommEudora) folder with your data.

The question then would be why your search doesn’t find these files. Perhaps try another search program? I use the one in xplorer2 pro, but there are also others such as FileSearchEX that may be worth trying.

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