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Woody: In the blog posting you originally started on December 31, 2016 (located on your main “Ask Woody” website) entitled ”It’s time to get Windows, Office, Net, and the others updated”, located at https://www.askwoody.com/2016/its-time-to-get-windows-office-net-and-the-others-updated/comment-page-1/#comment-113969 there was a comment posted by TonyC dated January 7, 2017 to which you responded “This month was unusual because the Security-only update was a sham – it’s exactly the same thing as the Monthly Rollup. In the future, I’ll probably continue to recommend Security-only but you’re right – the exposure to .NET rollups isn’t that great, so far as anyone knows.”
I’m confused by your comment. I have three questions: (1) in your October 27, 2016 article, you said: “Group B, Step 7. Under ‘important’ updates, you’ll likely find ‘Security and Quality Rollup for .Net Framework’ — which you probably want”. You used the words “which you probably want”, so in October I went ahead and installed the rollup for .Net Framework. But in your posting of January 7, 2017, it sounds like you have not been recommending them, and will continue to not recommend them. Could you please clarify this? (2) Also when you said “This month was unusual because the Security-only update was a sham – it’s exactly the same thing as the Monthly Rollup”, were you talking about the Security-only update for .Net Framework , or on the other hand, were you talking about the Security-only update for Windows 7? (3) Also, for December, Microsoft didn’t offer me any updates for .NET Framework. But it sounds like other people were offered one, such as TonyC whom you were responding to. Can you tell me why wasn’t I offered any for December? I will appreciate your response.

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Deccember and January were exceptional months for Microsoft in that there was very little going on – maybe they were all off for the holidays. Patches were minimal (including no monthly Rollup for Win8.1). So let’s call that an exception.

In general, .NET patches are safe to install. The version of .NET you have installed on your computer (there are many) will determine which patches you are offered. So there can be a patch for one version and not the other. For once MS didn’t have any non-security fixes, so the non-security and the security patches were the same. That’s what Woody meant.
But you should go ahead and install .NET patches, either security-only or the ROLLUP that contains non-security as well (depending on your choice) – AFTER THE DEFCON NUMBER IS 3 or ABOVE.

Patches for Windows are a different thing. Group A installs the Security Monthly Quality ROLLUP (security + non-security). Group B installs the Security Only Quality UPDATE (security-only) that has to be downloaded from the Update Catalog and manually installed – AFTER THE DEFCON NUMBER IS 3 or ABOVE.

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odly enough i  have an update marked as a dec16 .net update in the installed updates list on my WIN7 Sp1 machine, KB3210136 which was installed on 30/04/17 by windows update

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I got 12 updates for .NET today! Is that normal?

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We need the answers to several questions before we can say “normal” or not.
What version of Windows are you using?
What version of  .NET do you have installed?
What are the KB numbers of the updates you are seeing?
Are they in Windows Updates as checked “important” or unchecked “optional”?

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That was me posting as anonymous :). The version is 8.1 64-bit, obviously, with all the .NET updates installed. I can list the KBs when get back home. For sure all are Important and checked.

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Microsoft’s Description of Software Updates doesn’t show any new .NET patches issued since May 30th. These were May Security-only updates, which are not offered through WU.

Each .NET Rollup (offered through WU) contains four individual patches, one for each version of .NET – you won’t see the Rollup KB number in your Installed Updates, just the KB for each version. If you have more than one version installed, you get one patch for each.

You can find the individual parch numbers in the Catalog by clicking on the Rollup title (instead of “Download”) and then “More information” link in the box that pops up. That way you can tell which of the four individual patches offered is for which version of .NET

Edit to correct location

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You will see the Rollup KB number in “Update History”.

You won’t see the Rollup KB number in “Installed Updates”.

If you care to distinguish.

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That’s what I got:

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That looks like a bunch of OLD patches from 2014 up to July last year.

Two possibilities come to mind:
Either
You missed a bunch of updates and they are catching you up-to-date
OR
MS is retiring a bunch of updates and the old ones are showing up because they are breaking the supersedence chain (like they did with the old IE patches)

For what it’s worth, they aren’t showing up on my Win8.1 machines.

 

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Must be the latter, since I have literally ALL Important and Optional updates installed (including the snooping patches, I installed them and disabled tasks in Task Scheduler).

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Certainly not the second reason.
Have you uninstalled a later .NET Framework update or a higher version recently?

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Nah, never messed with .NET. Always installed what WU offerred, never uninstalled anything.

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It was just an idea. There must be a change which has happened recently to trigger all those updates, because at the back-end I cannot see any movement and to have so many updates coming up at once, I would have certainly noticed.
There is a possibility that there was some maintenance done to specific languages (Polish in this instance) updates which are not visible to me if the only updates monitored are those for the English language, although I find this extremely unlikely.
Do you use a US version with a Polish Language Pack?
There are subtle differences between a US version with a Language Pack and a native distribution, although in the modern versions of Windows, they are interchangeable by manipulating few registry keys in which case a US version can be easily converted in a different language version ‘natively’ and the US Language Pack uninstalled if desired.

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ch100 wrote:

Do you use a US version with a Polish Language Pack?

No, this is native Polish installation. As far as I can see, all the updates refer to .NET version 4.5.1 or 4.5.2.

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Guys, in context, please. VolumeZ highlighted the History/Installed difference.

Radosuaf, in support, echoed his contents of Installed list, cropped to the point you did not recognize it. These are not new offers to install today. They are the accurate list of what is currently installed.

Or am I missing it?

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See https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/net-framework-rollups/#post-120221

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Apologies, I was the one who failed to pick up the user name switch.

But are not those icons to the left what you see on the installed list?

When I am offered a list of updates to install, there is an empty box waiting to receive a check mark. Still confused on what I see, I suppose.

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Yes, this is from installed list, because I installed them. All did without any errors. I have been offered them yesterday for the first time.

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Yes, again, my confusion. The included image was cropped before the date column. I misread the list as having been installed during the period of 3yrs ago to last year, per PKCano’s observation, because the relevant information was not shown.
Entirely my mistake in reading comprehension.

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ch100 wrote:

Certainly not the second reason. Have you uninstalled a later .NET Framework update or a higher version recently?

In the middle of the night I listen to ch100:
This is the laptop with the SkyLake that is not compatible, from which you have to uninstall the Security Monthly Quality Rollup completely each month to get updates? What else is the uninstallation affecting? .Net dependencies?

It occurs to me that the more they roll into the Rollup, the more it may cause problems for the “Radosuaf method” of uninstall/reinstall.

 

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No, no problems with SkyLake (yet) on 8.1. I have all the updates installed and I just uninstalled and reinstalled a few of the “snooping” patches – but not recently, a few weeks ago, for testing sake.

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