New beta version of Win10 — build 17063 — now available

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Want to read about it? Start with the ponderous tome nominally published by Dona Sarkar. My big takeaway — they finally killed HomeGroups.
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Seems like a large one.

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woody wrote:

ponderous tome

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I’d call it “comprehensive release notes”.

You’d rather they told us less about what’s coming and why?

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You’re both right: it’s comprehensive and ponderous. I still think it’s another ton of lipstick on a very big pig.

 

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Ponderous: slow and clumsy because of great weight; dull, laborious, or excessively solemn.

Which was the heavy, dull or solemn part for you? (Or Woody?)

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I think you skipped right over the clumsy part there b. Quite a knack for selective interpretation.

I think prodigious volume alone can make things very laborious. While the information contained within is important, a good cross-referencing index can make even the weightiest of tomes accessible. When the pages are metaphorical, then even small obfuscation can make finding needed information nearly impossible, in a timely manner. And Microsoft is not known for transparency. Transparency: a pattern of admitting errors quickly, clearly, and definitively; a concise direction to revert to former condition would be a nice bonus. And no that is not from a published dictionary. Being fairly fluent, I made that up myself.

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Frankly, as it deals with a perpetual beta OS which I only use when I have to run one of the few Win32 programs I still need, I find the entire post irrelevant which makes it a very long, dull read indeed.  But since I still need Windows for a few more months, I will keep coming to this site for Woody’s advice (and the advice of others who congregate here) on how to tolerate Windows-as-a-disservice in the meantime.

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Well, it still turns off Restore Points by default, and I still have to go in and choose “User accounts and passwords” instead of MS managing my network connections.

If you have no intention of using Cortana or Edge, you need to go through the Settings App and turn things off (again), because all the new bloatware is turned on by default.

What is Microsoft playing at?
The average Joe User is not going to use this stuff. Mixed Reality, Timeline, all the settings? The average user probably will never open the Settings App or the Control Panel (what’s left of it). And all the default settings (like all the UWP Apps running in the background, Edge that is not used, MS controlling the printers, etc) on by default.
The average user just wants to surf the Internet (using Chrome, Firefox or its derivatives, even IE), do e-mail, and simple word processing and spreadsheets. And the huge updates and forced upgrades are eating the lunch of half the world’s users who have Home Edition, limited bandwidth, and don’t know how to stop it.

Come on, Microsoft. Just give us a STABLE OPERATING SYSTEM instead of all the useless fluff and crashes and hangups and forced upgrades.

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Why did you sign up for Insider Preview builds if you don’t want “all the new bloatware”?

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To learn how to TRY to support the people around me.
I would NEVER have Win10 on one of my production machines to use daily.

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PKCano wrote:

Come on, Microsoft. Just give us a STABLE OPERATING SYSTEM

This has been already achieved with Windows 7. Now it’s just trying to come up with something that is supposed to sell new version of Windows. The progress 3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> XP – Vista/7 was visible. Now – it’s just the details…

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Windows 10 is extremely stable for me, on several computers at home and hundreds at work.

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I can confirm that (from my not too extensive testing at home and everyday usage at work – although I do recall 2 BSODs within a few months – 1607 version). But so was Windows 7 and now is Windows 8.1.

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Maybe if you think that having to verify all your settings every 6 months to change back those that changed for no good reason isn’t part of your definition of stability.

If I activated restore points six months ago, who are you to disable it without notification? I am expecting this to work and I will be very angry to discover they have been disabled by an update if I need them. Oh yes, maybe they are not required no more because even if you use them, Windows will reinstall the bad update as soon as you reboot? If I said to Cortana to not learn about me, why would you reset this preference to something I purposefully changed from default?

I am not interested by anything that Microsoft is pushing right now and I think they don’t do enough marketing research as maybe they only listen to those insiders excited by the latest betas and enjoy spending time looking at the newest stuff around. Most people are not like that and certainly are less like that than in the old days where it was still exciting to buy a new computer as progress was so obvious and some liked to flash their computer like their car. Today, even flashing an Iphone will not get you much points, so those boring boxes are far from what they used to be in terms of social status boosters.

Granted, the emails Microsoft sends to insiders are inspiring and looks like they are really listening to users, but the reality is the day to day experience of most users have deteriorated in general, to the point that I predict more and more people will leave Windows, without more explanation than “I don’t understand my PC and it keeps changing stuff and somebody told me that this Chromebook/Apple thing just works”, although Apple seems to try to emulate Microsoft lately with their latest IOS release and rapid release cycle of bugs.

Stability to me means install once, set things the way you like them and then forget about this and just focus on what you want to do with the apps, not the OS, for 5-6 years. That is what I have done and still do with 7. I didn’t have to review my settings on 7 and I didn’t experience crashes or other issues with patches. I experienced issues with 10, at work and at home. Printers not working after a normal update and needing complete reinstall of the same old driver downloaded from the manufacturer, glitches in the UI where parts of the screen wouldn’t refresh properly, issues with Cortana, using a second partition, etc.

10 has some improvements in the UI but a lot of things that are less good. On the home desktop where I have 10 and I tried not to use Classic Shell (that the developer abandoned recently he said because he was sick of having to keep up with constant Windows releases breaking up stuff), I still rage every time I use Cortana to search my local files as it is unable to show search results in the first page without me clicking on filter, then documents or folder, because I have a deviant mind and had the perverse idea of putting my data folders on a second partition protected by mirrored drives and although it is indexed, it only shows results when I click on a filter. An OS that don’t fail only if you don’t use anything the way it is set by default and you don’t try to use what Microsoft actually brags about in its marketing like ReFS or better security that they disable by default isn’t that great either from a stability standpoint.

Bad testing is resulting in this kind of behavior that isn’t up to the level of quality we had in the past. And having hordes of home beta testers don’t mean much if their usage scenarios doesn’t mirror those of enterprise users or some power users that use less popular features. Maybe that is why Microsoft added enterprises to the mix of unpaid beta testers by getting rid of the CBB concepts, realizing home users as beta testers didn’t work that well at preventing bugs to enterprises.

Did you try moving the folders where the Universal apps install? I don’t know if it is fixed but for a long time, the option to move the apps folders to a second partition (a legitimate need if you combine a small fast SSD to a large mechanical HDs data partition) would be there, but would create all kind of issues, so much that it wasn’t accessible in a subsequent version of Windows, then it came back, if I am not mistaken. This is just plain wrong. I am not doing esoteric things with my computer, I am using normal GUI settings and it doesn’t work as expected. The OS just doesn’t look very polished once you get past its shiny bells and whistles.

Maybe if you are the kind of user who don’t tinker with any setting, just accept everything that is thrown at you and change nothing from defaults or suggested settings because you don’t care sharing everything with companies and you don’t really understand a lot of the settings anyway and you don’t care, then maybe you can have a vanilla stable experience, if you are lucky.

 

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I am open to learning to use another word for stable.

We can let stable keep the meaning of this machine does not crash under normal use.

What simple word can we use for this machine remains in the same condition long enough for the user to adapt and be productive for a significant period of time, before the OS forces another adaptation? Because this is getting very old trying to make the same point repeatedly about an organization that has proven itself deaf to all criticism.

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Insiders Build 17063.1000

Settings\Accounts\Email and app accounts ugly flat gray and white tile with no title bar abends when I click on the link.

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