Patch Lady – a visual representation of July’s known issues

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. I need bigger monitors.  I literally cannot get a full screen shot of all of the known issues as documented on this site:  https://portal.msrc.micro
[See the full post at: Patch Lady – a visual representation of July’s known issues]

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Wow. A lot of wasted white space on the securities page. Couldn’t this be in columns?

Thanks.

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You don’t need bigger monitors, just reduce the zoom level in your web browser.

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Yeah, good luck reading those numbers 🙂

https://i.imgur.com/znWigEg.png

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WildBill

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Her point is to show the qty. of issues. Reading the #s is secondary, which can be resolved by the user increasing the zoom or text size in his/her browser.

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We know. We’re just being sarcastic.

-- rc primak

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abbodi86

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Maybe use a vertical monitor? 😋

-- rc primak

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How about getting Microsoft to have better patches?  Now that’s a thought….

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Just turn your monitor 90 degrees and put it in “TALL” mode.

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rc primak

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Absolutely mind boggling the incompetency being shown by M$. Any other big company with that kind of track record would have fired the whole bunch of them and started over a long time ago. And raising prices is a real slap in the face to the customer.

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Microsoft is taking it’s lead from the classic, “The Maltese Falcon”.  As Sam Spade says, “When you’re slapped, you’ll take it and like it.”

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HiFlyer

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I can take scrolling screenshots – perfect for this type of thing.

 

At least, I used to be able to do that, but now the app crashes every time due to a buggy win update. 😉

Group B for WIN7 w/ ESU, plus trying out Linux builds in dual boot.

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HiFlyer

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I take my screenshots in Linux these days.

-- rc primak

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Hello to Susan, the Blindingly Magnificent and Totally Revered Patch Lady,

Heh. I figured that you needed an appropriately decent title! Do you have a link for that list? If so, I have a utility installed in my Firefox browser which can capture an entire web page, including whatever is off-screen within the browser window.

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HiFlyer

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It’s on the blog front page: https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-us/security-guidance/releasenotedetail/1c26eff2-573f-e811-a96f-000d3a33c573

Windows - commercial by definition and now function...

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Elly

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GoneToPlaid,

While we are at it: “a utility installed in my Firefox browser which can capture an entire web page, including whatever is off-screen within the browser window.”

Do you then print the page to read it? Because the letters must be really tiny, if your screen is the usual “wide” format these days. and has a high enough resolution to depict the writing on it. Something that lets one *conveniently* look at a whole page at once sounds like a ‘must have’ application, given the current screen format.

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HiFlyer

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Aw c***. Microsoft’s pages are not designed for printing since everything is injected via scripts, and with no word wrap. I have captured all of the KB numbers, and all of the related links. I will have to separately put it all together in a HTML file which is compliant with the old HTML 4, so as to include clickable links.

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The screen shot size isn’t the issue here, it’s the fact that SO many patches are messed up this month!

With this in mind, please stay on topic. Thank You

Windows - commercial by definition and now function...

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As I say, we know — we’re just having some fun at Microsoft’s well-deserved expense.

-- rc primak

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Cybertooth

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I was going to Plough through them all but I guess they hit the lot out there, maybe better if that’s possible to list the unaffected OS’s. Hey folks don’t go to any trouble as I am toying with a 2 month deferment here, sad to note, as we already know, as they are Cum. potentially unfixed Bugs will go forward to the next Patch Tuesday. Well “Defcon 1” is novel (once in a Blood Moon or is that Blue Moon) but ahh for the green fields of “Defcon 5” for the Newbies here see below:

It does happen occasionally 🙂
PS I kinda figured we might be in for rough ride when they appeared, checked, then a couple of days later they lost that all Important check mark

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There’s a thought. They could publish a list of the patches which are not causing any trouble. It would be a  much shorter list!

 

-- rc primak

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Patch Lady,

A most revelatory posting, thank you, it opens an entirely new perspective:

So MS is charging more its (supposedly) most valued business and Enterprise users while also giving them a remarkably bad time with its both remarkable and numerous patches and re-patches?

It starts to look like an MS surreptitious campaign to hand over all its OS business to Apple. Which brings up these two strange questions: Is MS planning to buy Apple? Or is there an MS – Apple merger in the offing?

Conspiracy theories or interesting realities?

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Myst

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Apple would be smart to avoid MS at all possible costs.

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For many, many reasons, including lousy networking capabilities, not many businesses will go over to Apple. They would sooner provide the help desk support needed for a full conversion to desktop/workstation Linux, I suspect, than to try to work out the issues with Apple networking.

-- rc primak

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Apple networking bad: must confess this is the first time I hear about it.

Any examples? Recent, if possible.

While I have only recently started using a Mac seriously, have colleagues and friends that are long term Mac users and do a lot of network work with their machines, moving around very large data sets and collaborating on line with others on joint science and engineering projects elsewhere on this planet, but have been keeping real quiet, it seems, based on what you have written, about their troubles.

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I have not read the patch management list lately, are all the list contributors holding off on this and potentially August’s patches?

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Anonymous,

I am waiting at least for another week, and even longer if the Master Patch List shows new issues  with some updates, or someone describes new ones by then, serious enough to wait until they have been resolved before applying those problematic patches.

I have no plans for August: I always make those as I see the situation develop, so it is too early to say.

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Oh I was curious about Patch Managment dot org, opinions. There are about fifty of those knowledge base articles with known issues plus post install instructions, must be a source of causing spurious utterances of foul speech.

Were last month’s Windows 10 patch roll ups ever good enough to install?

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I have no experience with Windows 10 patches, because I have Windows 7. Based on what has been reported in the Master Patch List and elsewhere, I must say that what is written about Win 7 patches in that List is trustworthy. The Patch Lady keeps the List, and she is also particularly focused on Windows 10, as she has admitted here repeatedly and quite recently. So I expect her assessment and advice in the List on Win 10 patches to be quite reliable, perhaps even more so than the generally good ones she gives for Win 7. As to the various KB documents and problems mentioned here: being usually quite busy with several other things, I find it most practical to put my trust in the very summarized assessments in the Master Patch List and do not concern myself with those documents.

So far, so good: I am patched completely through June, with no patching regrets worth mentioning.

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Thank you.

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Like OscarCP, I have been following Susan Bradley for many years, first at Windows Secrets and then here. I have always found her advice very sound. The patch list is an excellent source. Consequently, if she says “Go to your bunker; do not pass Go; do not collect £200”, that is precisely what I do. I am bunkered down.

Chris
Win 10 Pro x64 Group A

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Elly

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I simply can not understand how Microsoft could have so royally borked all of the July Updates, given that the June Updates were so good if one properly installed them on Win7 computers using the installation method which I developed and tested, and since the June updates fixed some issues which have been ongoing for months. A few of our loyal AskWoody forum members had jokingly relied, “wait for July,” in their anticipation that the July updates would once again be a nightmare. It is sad to report that they were so truly correct.

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GoneToPlaid,

Are you referring to the S&Q Rollup? .NET?

Other than the .NET July patches (you have already explained that there is no need to run to install those), problems with Security Only, IE11 Cumulative, Office, MSRT, etc. (for Group B) seem to be about the same as in previous months: not many; just wait a bit, until those with problems are taken care of with a first, and last, re-patch. This, as far as I can see, is still the pattern followed by this month’s patches. Of course, things can still change. For worse, or better.

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I was referring mostly to the .NET updates. My apologies since what I posted was mostly a rant about the July updates, in terms of the June updates which actually and finally fixed a few obscure issues which I have had with older XP programs. Those issues have been ongoing since sometime around last September when Microsoft started patching Win7 kernel files for various security issues.

Again, my apologies for my rant and any confusion which I may have created.

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So, not to put too fine a point on it but MS appears to be coming up with another way to monitize the “mismanagement” of the update fiascos. I’m no longer in IT managment, but I’d be very sceptical handing the keys over to someone who has been “driving recklessly”.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-got-a-new-plan-for-managing-windows-10-devices-for-a-monthly-fee/

Win10 Pro x64 22H2, Win10 Home 22H2, Linux Mint + a cat with 'tortitude'.

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Mary Jo’s article is an interesting bit of news especially after all the “swirling” rumors since W10 first came out for free. The article points more to business/enterprise but who knows what’s down the road from there.

My take is that it’s no wonder that WU is getting so shoddy since MS has basically gone to the business customer instead of including us lowly consumers. For the time being, even business’s are getting shoddy WU’s but since MS is forming a team to address the business end it will be an easy sell to them if they get the extra attention for updates.

Just speculation on my part obviously.

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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I will give my polite answer to Windows as a subscription – forget about it. My real opinion is not remotely printable.

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I need bigger monitors.

More pixels, you mean. So just get a 4K monitor! 😀

Or – to make it Microsoft patching list future proof – better get an 8K monitor.

Cheapest is to use smaller font size or tilt the screen. On my little 1920×1200 tablet the list just fits in 1920 resolution!

The list? Can’t wait for future A.I. implementation…

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HiFlyer

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Am I supposed to be seeing something besides a long list of numbers and nothing else?  (Fx 52.9 ESR).

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No, a single column, as provided by MS themselves.

cheers, Paul

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Mele20

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Paul T wrote:

No, a single column, as provided by MS themselves. cheers, Paul

My mistake was in NOT clicking on the Microsoft link earlier.  I just did that after reading your reply and saw that each of the numbers in the long list is clickable and takes one to the Microsoft KB article.

Thank you for getting me unconfused.  That is an awfully long list…sigh.

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Elly

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Should also note these are the “known issues” verified by Microsoft. No telling what other unconfirmed issues are also lurking about.

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Price increases (again)? No surprises there. Microsoft is going to milk the Enterprise users as far as possible, for as long as possible and as much as possible. Home users are basically cannon folder and are pretty much irrelevant to Microsoft.

As long as the enterprise users don’t come out and say “enough is enough” and change to something else, Microsoft can and will get away with bad patches and price increases. Why does Microsoft need to change anything if you users continue to pay?

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

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Hi everyone,

Here is the list, with all of the links:

Release Notes
July 2018 Security Updates
Release Date: July 10, 2018

The July security release consists of security updates for the following software:
Internet Explorer
Microsoft Edge
Microsoft Windows
Microsoft Office and Microsoft Office Services and Web Apps
ChakraCore
Adobe Flash Player
.NET Framework
ASP.NET
Microsoft Research JavaScript Cryptography Library
Skype for Business and Microsoft Lync
Visual Studio
Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter V2 Software
PowerShell Editor Services
PowerShell Extension for Visual Studio Code
Web Customizations for Active Directory Federation Services

Please note the following information regarding thesecurity updates:

Windows 10 updates are cumulative. The monthly security release includes all security fixes for vulnerabilities that affect Windows 10, in addition to non-security
updates. The updates are available via the Microsoft Update Catalog (http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Home.aspx).

Starting in March 2017, a delta package will be available on the Microsoft Update Catalog for Windows  10 version 1607 and newer. This delta package contains just the
delta changes between the previous month and the current release.

Updates for Windows RT 8.1 and Microsoft Office RT software are only available via Windows Update (http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21130).

For information on lifecycle and support dates for Windows 10 operating systems, please see Windows Lifecycle Facts Sheet (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help
/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet).

In addition to security changes for the vulnerabilities, updates include defense-in-depth updates to help improve security-related features.

The following CVEs have FAQs with additional information and may include * further steps to take afterinstalling the updates.

ADV170017 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/ADV170017)*
ADV180002 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/ADV180002)*
ADV180012 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/ADV180012)*
ADV180016 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/ADV180016)*
ADV180017 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/ADV180017)
CVE-2018-8202 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8202) *
CVE-2018-8260 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8260) *
CVE-2018-8281 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8281)
CVE-2018-8282 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8282)
CVE-2018-8289 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8289)
CVE-2018-8297 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8297)
CVE-2018-8299 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8299)*
CVE-2018-8300 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8300)*
CVE-2018-8305 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8305)*
CVE-2018-8306 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8306)*
CVE-2018-8310 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8310)
CVE-2018-8312 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8312)
CVE-2018-8319 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8319)*
CVE-2018-8323 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8323)*
CVE-2018-8324 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8324)
CVE-2018-8325 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8325)
CVE-2018-8326 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8326)*

Known Issues

4295656 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4295656)
4338415 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338415)
4338416 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338416)
4338417 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338417)
4338418 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338418)
4338419 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338419)
4338420 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338420)
4338421 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338421)
4338422 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338422)
4338423 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338423)
4338424 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338424)
4338600 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338600)
4338601 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338601)
4338602 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338602)
4338604 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338604)
4338605 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338605)
4338606 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338606)
4338610 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338610)
4338611 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338611)
4338612 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338612)
4338613 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338613)
4338814 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338814)
4338815 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338815)
4338818 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338818)
4338819 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338819)
4338820 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338820)
4338821 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338821)
4338823 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338823)
4338824 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338824)
4338825 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338825)
4338826 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338826)
4338829 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338829)
4338830 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4338830)
4340004 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340004)
4340005 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340005)
4340006 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340006)
4340007 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340007)
4340556 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340556)
4340557 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340557)
4340558 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340558)
4340559 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4340559)
4345232 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4345232)
4345418 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4345418)
4345419 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4345419)
4345420 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4345420)
4345421 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4345421)
4345455 (https://support.microsoft.com/help/4345455)

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Steve S. wrote:

So, not to put too fine a point on it but MS appears to be coming up with another way to monitize the “mismanagement” of the update fiascos. I’m no longer in IT managment, but I’d be very sceptical handing the keys over to someone who has been “driving recklessly”. https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-got-a-new-plan-for-managing-windows-10-devices-for-a-monthly-fee/

The impression this gives me is that the ongoing WU train wreck is actually on purpose, with the goal being to make updates so difficult to manage on your own systems, that you throw up your hands in surrender, and rent a system managed directly by Microsoft.

The analogy to automobiles is slightly disturbing, actually, in the sense that this reminds me slightly of how the ever-increasing complexity of vehicle maintenance has left many car owners at the mercy of professional mechanics to perform a multitude of tasks that you used to be able to do in your own garage.

If Microsoft is going to dedicate itself to maintaining stable rent-a-puter terminals for business customers, where does that leave the home user?

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Ah, but why would you willingly trust the same people whose shoddy maintenance already broke your computers to then maintain them completely flawlessly in the future? If anything, if I was MS, and I wanted to attract customers, I would build a top notch product that when it did need maintenance also got top notch maintenance.

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Hi everyone,

Forum moderators, if the following is too much of a rant. Feel free to either delete this post or move it to the rants section.

The impression this gives me is that the ongoing WU train wreck is actually on purpose, with the goal being to make updates so difficult to manage on your own systems, that you throw up your hands in surrender, and rent a system managed directly by Microsoft.

It is possible that you are right. I have preferred to believe that the WU train wreck is the direct result of Nadella stupidly firing the WU quality assurance team. Now you make me question why Nadella did this in the first place. Now you make me question why Win 8 was originally designed for cell phones and tablets. Now you make me wonder why telemetry was back ported into Win7 and Win8. Now you make me wonder why, when installing updates via Windows Update, new EULAs which mention that the update will gather personally identifiable telemetry are not shown, whereas such EULAs are shown if you manually download and install the update. I have to wonder if, and who is pushing Microsoft? I really do not have to wonder about my last question, as I am quite certain of the answer.

The thought of a rent-a-system which is managed directly by Microsoft is as terrifying to me as being burned alive while having a heart attack and being eaten by a Great White shark, all at the same time.

Win7 is the last Microsoft OS for me — ever. My trust in Microsoft flew out the window over two years ago. Sinofsky — thank you for ruining my trust in Microsoft since you did a remarkably stellar job of doing so. I am truly impressed by your delusional methods. I give you five stars! I give Nadella five stars as well in this regard, since Nadella chose to follow in your footsteps. Nadella, I am truly impressed that you were able to both find and implement new ways to push my trust in Microsoft even lower — basically below street gutter level! That really must have taken some work to accomplish. I am quite impressed that you managed to pull this off.

Best regards,

–GTP

 

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GTP, thanks for your post. I’ve felt that MS was up to something earth-shaking ever since they came up with this “new lamps for old” scheme. Everyone gets on Win X, then they can open up schemes like quarterly rentals of the OS, more leaning on the manufacturers of motherboards and bioses to have only the current MS offering allowed to run the hardware. Presently typing on a multi-boot (win7, winX, 2 linux distros) machine presently. Sitting on top of this box is one that is just running linux Mint…it wouldn’t break my heart to disable internet access on the win7 box and just use it for games and programs that don’t require internet access…adios ms!

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rc primak

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While I keep Windows 10 hanging on in its own partition, I do my everyday computing with Ubuntu Linux. Not that Ubuntu 18.04 is without its issues. The upgrade to Wayland and Gnome broke a lot of stuff, and it’s only slowly getting pieced back together or replaced with new stuff. Even the Gnome Shell Extensions are broken and in need of repairs in many cases.

So it’s not just Windows updates which can get nasty to deal with.

-- rc primak

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