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ISSUE 21.46 • 2024-11-11 PUBLIC DEFENDER By Brian Livingston The chatbot wars are well underway, and one result is that I find myself using the new Pe
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Mr. Livingston is likely quite correct with regard to how much better Perplexity is.

However, I will not use Perplexity for two reasons:

1. This software will not function while my VPN (Mullvad) is running. I have to shutdown the VPN in order for this thing to work.  Forcing a user to make themselves less secure while on the internet is at the very best illogical, and at the worst, borderline insane.

2. Unless you are using the paid version of Perplexity their is no way to communicate with the vendor. I replied to two marketing emails from Perplexity  that DID NOT indicate a “no reply” status asking why I had to disable my VPN in order to use this product.  Never got a response.

I could provide the technical term for what Perplexity is doing here, but then I’d probably be banned from the forum.

MustangPete

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Have you tried support at preplexity.ai?

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The website is Perplexity.ai, it does not have a dot-com domain.

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Corrected.

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Brian- please share your thoughts on privacy for Perplexity and the other search engines you mention. By now anyone who’s paying attention knows Google is notorious for invasions of privacy and collecting of personal info.

In our house, we abandoned anything Google- or Microsoft-related some years ago. We run Linux Mint and search with DuckDuckGo.

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Brian- brilliant! Thanks for recognizing Perplexity. NO nonsense, no ads, excellent formatting- been using almost since Day 1.

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Geo

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Unfortunately, Perplexity has also become famous for intellectual property theft, using mechanisms more cynical than even Google previously dared.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/27/24187405/perplexity-ai-twitter-lie-plagiarism

https://www.wired.com/story/perplexity-is-a-bullshit-machine/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2024/06/11/why-perplexitys-cynical-theft-represents-everything-that-could-go-wrong-with-ai/

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/perplexity-ai-known-for-stealing-content-from-media-houses-offers-to-help-nyt-as-tech-workers-go-on-strike-13832164.html

 

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Copying info from media sites is not IP theft!  It is a copyright violation, which is much less serious.

Media sites are upset with services like Perplexity and chatGPT because they kill the old search business model, which caused users to have to wander around across multiple websites, that were organized by who had the the best SEO, NOT by who had the best info, viewing ads along the way.

78% of Google’s revenue comes from advertising!  Ponder that for a while and you will understand why Google took so long to debut its AI and why all the players who profited from Google’s advertising ecosystem are upset with AI search.

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If you’d like to see the complete answer for yourself, use the “search result” hyperlink in Figure 1’s caption.

Typo?? Do you mean “Figure 2’s caption”?

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Yes, it should have said, “Figure 2’s caption.”

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In the latest episode of “Rich on Tech,”  the popular radio and TV tech guy switched to Perplexity.

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I can’t say that I share the same enthusiasm about Google being dethroned like Lycos and AltaVista were. They were different times and much smaller companies. I wouldn’t be surprised if Google buys out anyone who becomes a real threat to them. That has already been happening with the likes of Facebook buying Instagram, and Match.com hoovering up its competitors like Tinder and POF.

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steeviebops wrote:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Google buys out anyone who becomes a real threat to them

I wouldn’t be surprised if the court will break Google into : Android, Google Play, Search, Ads..

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/05/business/google-loses-antitrust-lawsuit-doj/index.html

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Alex5723 wrote:

steeviebops wrote:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Google buys out anyone who becomes a real threat to them

I wouldn’t be surprised if the court will break Google into : Android, Google Play, Search, Ads..

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/05/business/google-loses-antitrust-lawsuit-doj/index.html

I’d hope so but aren’t so optimistic about it. I can’t really say why without going into politics so I’ll just leave it there!

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..evaluating Google’s links — after I’ve located them amidst the search giant’s omnipresent ads — can take me 10 minutes..

What ads ? I never see ads in any web site, search results…on my PC, iPhone, iPad.

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Yes — this is what LLM technology is good for!   The two things that most impressed me about Perplexity are: (1) because LLMs are good at recognizing alternative wordings, I am not under pressure to guess the exact words in the thing I’m searching for; (2) it simply indexes more than Google and Bing.  It indexes my own huge blog better than they do, and it helps me find things that I know are in it.

The natural language summary of the results is also welcome.  Summarizing existing texts is a familiar AI problem, and good results are usually achieved.

LLMs are not good at truth-preserving logical reasoning or problem solving.  The sooner people move to using them primarily as search facilitators, the better.

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trying Perplexity did bring a smile to my face.  the first thing that I asked it about was how to add it as a search engine to Vivaldi.  Immediately got detailed instructions.  Didn’t have to sort through different sites to find up to date instructions.

The next thing I searched was about privacy issues with Perplexity. Obviously they are using your question to provide an answer. They seem to claim that your info is only used internally to better their system and answer questions.   that nothing is sold to other companies. And they claim that if you don’t have an account/don’t log in,  searches are anonymous.  they claim.

I also would like to hear more about privacy in perplexity.

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Seriously.  If you think there is any privacy on the net today, then you are deluding yourself.

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Geo

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Perplexity doesn’t work. Completely broken as of this post. Ask a question, no answer appears.
Update:  Started working again.  If it’s not reliable in the future, I’m not interested. We’ll see.

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I think they just a bad cloud day.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Perplexity is having some issues today.

https://downdetector.com/status/perplexityai/

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Unable to use.  Servers busy AND I simply can not turn off my VPN.  Too bad, as the article was well written.   I’d like to have an alternative to Google and Duck Duck Go.

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I would choose a different VPN.  I don’t have issues accessing perlexity with a good vpn service.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Everyone visiting Perplexity.ai at the same time after reading my column may have brought the server to its knees. Perp isn’t yet a giant like Google or ChatGPT! DownDetector reports that the outage began around 10 a.m. and lasted about one hour. (See chart.)

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Brian,

An interesting article so I thought I’d put it to the test. My article on AI in the 2023-11-06 Plus newsletter started out with this simple query:

Write a program using PowerShell to read all the files in a 
specified directory and retrieve the program version from a 
line containing “Current Vers : ” and retrieve the version
number following the “:” eliminating any preceding and 
following blanks.

It was designed to search my PowerShell script production directory and return all the version numbers. None of the big 3 (ChatGPT, Google Bard, or Bing Chat), at the time, got it right on the first try and basically failed all the way through.

Perplexity NAILED IT on the first try!

# Specify the directory path
$directoryPath = "C:\Path\To\Your\Directory"

# Get all files in the specified directory
$files = Get-ChildItem -Path $directoryPath -File

# Process each file
foreach ($file in $files) {
    # Read the content of the file
    $content = Get-Content -Path $file.FullName

    # Search for the line containing "Current Vers : "
    $versionLine = $content | Where-Object { $_ -match "Current Vers : " }

    if ($versionLine) {
        # Extract the version number
        $version = $versionLine -replace ".*Current Vers : ", "" -replace "\s+$", ""

        # Output the result
        Write-Output "File: $($file.Name), Version: $version"
    }
    else {
        Write-Output "File: $($file.Name), Version: Not found"
    }
}

Just for kicks I gave it another one that I had just searched for yesterday:

Using powershell how to i check if core isolation is enabled 
in windows

Once again One and Done! It even came up with a better answer that the one I had coded using the information I got from the searches.

$deviceGuard = Get-CimInstance -ClassName Win32_DeviceGuard -Namespace root\Microsoft\Windows\DeviceGuard

if ($deviceGuard.SecurityServicesRunning -contains 2) {
    Write-Output "Core Isolation (Memory Integrity) is enabled"
} else {
    Write-Output "Core Isolation (Memory Integrity) is disabled"
}

I just may have to subscribe to this one…

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

PowerShell & VBA Rule!
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Thank you for this article!  I just changed it to my default search engine (I didn’t know how so I just asked Perplexity and it told me exactly how to do it!).  I can see this is going to save me a ton of time.  Please write more articles regarding AI!

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I’ve been using Perplexity for months now.  Love the service.  It can help with virtually everything.

For example, ask it questions about all those unusual network settings you always wondered what they did but never felt like wading through the internet trying to figure out and it comes up with helpful info.

Or input medical tests (e.g. stress test, echocardiogram test, blood tests, etc), and it will produce a nice readable analysis in easy to understand English.  You can take these to the MD office to discuss.

Looking for books to read?  Put together some criteria and ask for recommendations.

Need help about how to a car repair?  It can help.

Or ask it unusual questions like how would you navigate from Earth to another star if you had a spaceship that could move at lightspeed.

THIS is what a search engine should be!  If only it could help me figure out what is the best product to buy on Amazon when I am searching for something?

If you don’t like the answer given, you can add more info or restate the question in the try again input box.

Off to the right side are the references it drew from.  You can open them yourself and browse through them also.

Rarely, Perplexity doesn’t give me an answer I like.  Then I will just swing over to chatGPT and ask there.  That worked today for an esoteric science fiction question today that Perplexity claimed it couldn’t find an answer to.

Also note the small icons below the answers.  You can copy an answer to the clipboard and also copy the URL for the answer to save for future reference and sharing with others  (I wish they would combine the two but for now, you’ll have to do that yourself).

I wish I could imput medical scans and have it interpret them.

Unfortunately, Perplexity is so good that someone like Google or Microsoft will probably buy it and bury it soon.  So use it while you can.

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I don’t want an AI summary when I search for something.
I use google search in Firefox latest.
So I added an extension NoGoogleAi

voila – no AI summary

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a wrote:

So I added an extension NoGoogleAi

I’ve tried a few extensions in Opera (Chromium) and finally decided to just use the bookmark https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 which opens the web results tab. That AI summary is SO annoying. I think it is designed to get your attention when it loads.

ETA: I just found a Chrome extension that finally works on my Browser.
Bye Bye, Google AI
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/bye-bye-google-ai-turn-of/imllolhfajlbkpheaapjocclpppchggc

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I just gave it a try. I’m currently considering a MediGap plan and had a question whether I can change back to Medicare Advantage in the future. So, I asked a simple question: “can I switch from medigap to medicare advantage”.

The answer I got was for exactly the opposite. So, be wary of the answer you get. Don’t trust and do verify. Perpexity can clearly be easily “confused” since it didn’t even parse the question in the right order!

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Just for the heck of it, I tried your exact search phrase and got what appears to be a correct answer.  Note: I’m not signed into Perplexity and not using the “Pro” option.

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I just tried the same search in Chrome and it worked correctly for me.  HOWEVER and somewhat concerning, the answer was not exactly the same!  Huh?

For example, my response is missing your item #3 in the first section.  Also, certain words are different or omitted.

Why would a response vary from one moment to another?  Is there a randomized function at work?  Someone should examine this.

Yes, you can switch from a Medigap (Medicare Supplement) plan to a Medicare Advantage plan. Here are the key points to understand about making this switch:

## Timing of the Switch

You can generally make this switch during specific enrollment periods:

1. Annual Election Period (AEP): This runs from October 15 to December 7 each year. During this time, you can switch from Medigap to Medicare Advantage, with coverage starting January 1 of the following year[3].

2. Medicare Advantage Open Enrollment Period (OEP): This occurs from January 1 to March 31 annually. While this period is primarily for those already in Medicare Advantage plans, you can use it to switch from Original Medicare (with or without Medigap) to a Medicare Advantage plan[2].

## Process for Switching

To switch from Medigap to Medicare Advantage:

1. Enroll in a Medicare Advantage plan during one of the eligible enrollment periods.
2. Your Medigap policy will automatically end when your Medicare Advantage coverage begins[3].

## Considerations Before Switching

Before making the switch, consider the following:

1. **Coverage differences**: Medicare Advantage plans often include prescription drug coverage and may offer additional benefits like dental, vision, and hearing coverage, which Medigap plans typically don’t provide[3].

2. **Network restrictions**: Unlike Medigap, which allows you to see any provider that accepts Medicare, Medicare Advantage plans often have network restrictions[3].

3. **Costs**: Compare the out-of-pocket costs, including premiums, deductibles, and copayments, between your current Medigap plan and potential Medicare Advantage plans[2].

4. **Future flexibility**: It’s generally easier to switch to Medicare Advantage than to switch back to Medigap. If you decide to return to Medigap in the future, you may face medical underwriting and potentially higher premiums or denial of coverage[2].

## Important Note

If you’re considering switching back to Medigap in the future, be aware that you may lose certain guaranteed issue rights once you leave your Medigap policy. This could make it more difficult or expensive to get a Medigap policy later[2].

Remember to carefully evaluate your healthcare needs, budget, and preferences before making any changes to your Medicare coverage. It may be helpful to consult with a licensed insurance agent or your State Health Insurance Assistance Program (SHIP) for personalized advice.

Citations:
[1] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-i-switch-from-medicare-advantage-to-medigap
[2] https://www.investopedia.com/can-i-switch-from-medicare-advantage-to-medigap-8672089
[3] https://www.healthpartners.com/blog/medicare-advantage-vs-medicare-supplement-medigap/
[4] https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/medicare/enrollment/can-i-switch-from-medicare-advantage-to-medigap/
[5] https://www.medicare.gov/health-drug-plans/medigap/ready-to-buy/when
[6] https://www.humana.com/medicare/medicare-resources/medicare-advantage-trial-period
[7] https://www.ncoa.org/article/how-to-change-your-medigap-policy/
[8] https://www.medicare.gov/health-drug-plans/medigap/ready-to-buy/change-policies

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-i-switch-from-medigap-to-m-2UXlgojBToiPuovVFgLcEg#0

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This is strange that three of us get three different responses to the same question.

Have you tried a browser different than Firefox?

But what part of the info is incorrect?

Can you provide the URL to the Perplexity answer you are showing?

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My understanding is that LLMs are not deterministic. To oversimplify, they basically rank potential answers based on the probability that they are correct. But instead of always choosing the top one, they will sometimes choose another one near the top. A parameter known as “temperature” adjusts how willing it is deviate from the top answer.

For example, let’s say the top 3 answers are ranked 91%, 90%, and 89% likely to be correct. Maybe they are all correct but just worded differently. The LLM would appear less robotic if didn’t always choose the 91% answer. And say the next answer is a more ambiguous 78%. If the LLM occasionally spits it out, and customer responses are used to train the model, it could upvote or downvote the 78% answer and “learn” whether it’s correct.

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Just tried it twice and still got the reversed answer. I’m using Firefox so tried it in Troubleshoot Mode. Same results. Turned off the Firefox Enhanced Tracking Protection. Same results. Turned off my VPN. Same results. Tried LibreWolf. Same. Tried Brave. Same. Perplexity just doesn’t like me, I guess. 😖

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PL1 wrote:

I think it is designed to get your attention when it loads.

I felt it was designed to get you to read it and then not look further (to find out that it was “not quite accurate”). But it was pretty easy to get rid of and I think we will find that will be true for most browsers – just takes a little looking.

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Steve S. wrote:

MediGap plan and had a question whether I can change back to Medicare Advantage

Having been on Medigap for years before medicaid started covering it… I am VERY biased against so called Medicare “””Advantage””” plans as I feel in the end they are an advantage only to the folks selling them. With Medigap I can go to whatever Dr I want w/o a referral, and everything is covered. Steps off soapbox.

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Medicare Advantage IS a scam.  There are numerous articles detailing how shady MA is.

Here are a couple:

It’s obscene: Inside the Medicare Advantage sham
Raw Story
May 30, 2024
https://www.rawstory.com/amp/inside-the-medicare-advantage-sham-2668419624

Medicare Advantage Is Denying More Requests for Seniors’ Care: Report
By Suzanne Blake
August 9, 2024
http://newsweek.com/medicare-advantage-denying-more-requests-seniors-care-1937124

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a wrote:

Steve S. wrote:

MediGap plan and had a question whether I can change back to Medicare Advantage

Having been on Medigap for years before medicaid started covering it… I am VERY biased against so called Medicare “””Advantage””” plans as I feel in the end they are an advantage only to the folks selling them. With Medigap I can go to whatever Dr I want w/o a referral, and everything is covered. Steps off soapbox.

I was on medigap (supplement plan F) for a year before switching to a humana hmo advantage plan.  didn’t make sense to me to spend $150/month (at that time) for the same service, same drs, that I would get in the hmo plan, which cost me nothing ($0/mo).  Been on it for a number of years now. I pay $0 to see primary care,  $10 to see specialist.  Other services are different copays or no charge.  There is an out-of-pocket max, after which HMO pays 100% of covered services.   Medicare, btw covers little 100%. You have to see a dr that participates in medicare, and for most things there is a copay.

The Raw story article sounds a bit hysterical/conspiracy theory to me.  My understanding is that Advantage companies get a flat fee per person covered each year (like a premium in regular insurance). There are plans other than the Advantage HMO plans that cost money to join.  I don’t have one of those plans and pay nothing to the plan each month.

I write my primary care dr if I want a referral, and have never had resistance getting one, and have never had one reversed at a later time.

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astro46 wrote:

a wrote:

Steve S. wrote:

MediGap plan and had a question whether I can change back to Medicare Advantage

Having been on Medigap for years before medicaid started covering it… I am VERY biased against so called Medicare “””Advantage””” plans as I feel in the end they are an advantage only to the folks selling them. With Medigap I can go to whatever Dr I want w/o a referral, and everything is covered. Steps off soapbox.

I was on medigap (supplement plan F) for a year before switching to a humana hmo advantage plan.  didn’t make sense to me to spend $150/month (at that time) for the same service, same drs, that I would get in the hmo plan, which cost me nothing ($0/mo).  Been on it for a number of years now. I pay $0 to see primary care,  $10 to see specialist.  Other services are different copays or no charge.  There is an out-of-pocket max, after which HMO pays 100% of covered services.   Medicare, btw covers little 100%. You have to see a dr that participates in medicare, and for most things there is a copay.

The Raw story article sounds a bit hysterical/conspiracy theory to me.  My understanding is that Advantage companies get a flat fee per person covered each year (like a premium in regular insurance). There are plans other than the Advantage HMO plans that cost money to join.  I don’t have one of those plans and pay nothing to the plan each month.

I write my primary care dr if I want a referral, and have never had resistance getting one, and have never had one reversed at a later time.

The problem is getting specialist care and simply-duffus doctors. I’ve had more than my share of the latter and needed to hop a few times to finally get a cure for a lifelong serious pain problem. I could easily do that with Medigap. No way with “””Advantage””” where everything I do needs approval and if I want something else I pay full. I have been able to utilize 5 different hospitals here to get what I needed. That would have never happened with “Advantage”.

This is very off topic and I will not respond further but it is obviously a hot topic.

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Medical insurance is wrought with “you get what you pay for” and “every choice has its pros and cons”. For many, affordability is topmost – or financially mandatory. There is no such thing as one-size-fits-all. One’s financial resources, general health and specific needs can drive different decisions. In my case, the closure of my advantage plan is giving me a one-time opportunity to move to Medigap with “guarranteed issue rights”. Luckily I’m blessed enough to afford it. 👍 Last off topic here, as well…

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Steve S. wrote:

’m using Firefox so tried it in Troubleshoot Mode. Same results. Turned off the Firefox Enhanced Tracking Protection. Same results. Turned off my VPN. Same results. Tried LibreWolf. Same. Tried Brave. Same. Perplexity just doesn’t like me, I guess.

You need to go to the source — perplexity.ai — or use ChatGPT.com (both free for the basic service) . I use the $20 per month ChatGPT 4o for my business. Here is the answer I got:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, you can switch from a Medigap (Medicare Supplement) plan to a Medicare Advantage plan, but there are some important considerations and timing requirements to keep in mind:

### 1. **Switching Periods**
– The main time to switch from Medigap to Medicare Advantage is during **Medicare’s Annual Enrollment Period (AEP)**, which runs from **October 15 to December 7** each year. During AEP, you can enroll in a Medicare Advantage plan, with coverage beginning on January 1 of the following year.
– If you are new to Medicare, you can switch during your **Initial Enrollment Period (IEP)** or during the **Medicare Advantage Open Enrollment Period** (January 1 to March 31).

### 2. **Understand the Differences Between Medigap and Medicare Advantage**
– **Medigap** helps cover out-of-pocket costs (like copayments, coinsurance, and deductibles) under Original Medicare (Parts A and B). You keep Original Medicare as your primary coverage and add Medigap as supplemental coverage.
– **Medicare Advantage** (Part C) is an alternative to Original Medicare, offering Medicare benefits through private insurance companies. It usually includes Part D (prescription drug coverage) and often additional benefits like vision, dental, and wellness programs, but it typically has network restrictions (like HMOs or PPOs).

### 3. **Dropping Medigap for Medicare Advantage**
– If you choose to switch to a Medicare Advantage plan, you will likely need to cancel your Medigap plan separately since it won’t automatically cancel when you enroll in Medicare Advantage.
– Once you switch to Medicare Advantage, you may have limited options to return to a Medigap plan in the future. You may be subject to medical underwriting if you want to go back to Medigap, meaning you could be denied or charged higher premiums based on health conditions unless you qualify for a special enrollment right.

### 4. **Evaluate Coverage Needs and Costs**
– Consider your healthcare needs and whether a Medicare Advantage plan’s network and benefits will meet them, as these plans typically have lower premiums than Medigap but may involve more out-of-pocket costs through copays, coinsurance, and deductibles.

Switching from Medigap to Medicare Advantage is possible, but it’s crucial to compare plans, ensure the timing aligns, and understand the limitations if you later want to switch back.

 

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I set Perplexity as my default Chrome search engine.
I am getting used to as links are at the top, than summery text..

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At first, I started using Perplexity. However, today, somehow Perplexity suddenly inserted a clickable image in one of my FB posts which I was editing. I tried to delete my Perplexity account, but immediately after deleting, Perplexity recreatd it!!?? How do I delete my Perplexity.ai account permanently? I really do not want Perplexity out of the blue inserting its image in my documents.

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You sure there isn’t something else doing that?  I’ve not seen perplexity add images in other web sites.

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Quick and easy. Used it in the hospital to understand what was happening to a relative and to ask the doctors relevant and intelligent questions. Have used it at home for a host of questions. Much better than a search engine.

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