Proper Procedure to upgrade from 1709 to 1803

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I’m sitting on windows 10 Pro ver 1709 updated thru September (except for the handful of KB’s that PK/Woody recommend holding back via wushowhide). My system is new, 6 months old, came with fresh install of 1709 and never had a Feature update yet.

I’m looking to move to 1803.

Group A, Group update setting 2, SAC, Feature deferral 365 days, Quality Updates 0 days.

Should I simply reset the Feature deferral to 0 – 60 days and allow WUpdate to bring down the Feature update, then click Download button?

Or, should I reset the Feature deferral date and click “Check for updates” button? (Any chance of getting 1810 this way?)

After Wupdater downloads, seems advice is I should disconnect from the internet before rebooting?   Assuming all goes well, redo settings, then reconnect to internet?

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First, check wushowhide to be sure 1803 isn’t hidden. If it is, unhide it.
Set feature updates to 0.
In Windows Update, check for updates.
Choose Feature Update 1803.
Disconnect from the Internet before reboot.
Check ALL (Settings, Group Policy, Services, Task Scheduler, etc) settings before reconnecting to Internet.

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@anonymous yeah definitely go with @pkcano ‘s recommendations, just one caveat if you want 1803 I believe todays probably the last day as 1809’s on offer from tomorrow. .ISO‘s and upgrade, and the first of this Months Patch Tuesday’s (A) Week.
So if you have to time to back up and make any preparations that you deem necessary may be the todays the day.
Normally the Patch Tuesday mayhem hits here at 1200 MST so be governed by your own time zone. That’s not a hard and fast rule however or any guarantee as to what will happen tomorrow but that’s the way it seems to work round here.

anonymous wrote:

I should disconnect from the internet before rebooting?

Hmm not sure the few upgrades I have seen seem to have network activity pretty much through the whole process, maybe better off to download the .ISO and run from the Desktop with the network off, I generally use an .ISO for a clean install and I cant recall the last “in place upgrade” I did. Besides you have a shiny .ISO for emergencies and or clean install should the need arise.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10 just create an > .ISO without using M$’s recommendations for use on another Machine, its fairly self explanatory. Hope that works for you.

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PK thanks!

With my settings, 1803 was never offered to my system.
A follow up question:
Do you know what 1803 update version will be installed?  Current through September?

I am wondering though, if I become a “seeker” by pressing the “Check for updates” button will I also get ALL the outstanding updates that MS is offering?
KB4457128 Sept CU
KB4456655 Service Stack (though WUpdate automatically installed SSs?)
KB4464218 InTune Fix
KB4458469 Bug Fix (Pulled? ReIssued?)
KB4100347 Microcode

I’ve also been hiding these KB’s from Ver 1709.  Does ver 1803 have equivalent KB’s to watch out for and hide?
KB4134661
KB4056254
KB4023057
KB4090007

Finally, will the fact that these are hidden and not installed cause any 1803 upgrade issues?

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You will probaboy get Build 17134.285, the Sept Patch Tues build. The Servicing Stack will automoatically come with it. If you are not using InTune, I would not worry about KB4464216 and certainly NOT about KB4458469 which will be included in the Oct Patch Tues CU.

You can hide the Microcode patch if it shows up. Also any of the other patches in the last group. The hidden ones will cause no problems.

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BobbyB

I have downloaded from MS both the bootable usb and .iso versions of 1803 per Woody’ s recommendation just in case.

However I have other apps including Office 2016 (with many hours of fine tuning) that I really dont want to have to red0, therefore preference for the update/upgrade.

Dont know what to do about the internet disconnect.  PK, Microfix, zero2dash have mentioned to do, guess to allow resetting of further update deferral times etc before the new version can get to it.

Further thoughts?

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Disconnecting from the Internet – to set your deferrals and privacy settings becore you face MS again! Particularly the Feature deferral – you don’t want 1809 tomorrow!!!

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Exactly this.
Usually, the settings are kept from release to release, but they have had a habit in the past of reverting settings to what they want.

As a sanity check, most of us will disconnect from the internet, so if the feature deferral period settings are wiped out, our machines don’t automatically start checking and downloading the newest one (which in most cases, we don’t want at the time). It’d be so much easier if they just gave us more control and we had to opt-in for the update (instead of opting out like we currently have to do).

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@anonymous I quite appreciate your dilemma especially with the sheer dearth of Office 2016 updates and custom settings. With the .ISO just copy to your desktop click on it or “Mount” it and run (setup.exe as admin) with the net off and it’ll upgrade in place, and then go with @pkcano ‘s advice. Depending on you machine and the one I saw was 2015 vintage with a 1TB “spinner” and 4GB’s of RAM it took just over an hour to 1:15 to complete with no ill effects that was discernible to the owner.
Just remember to set you deferral as you have now, if its Pro and above it will just offer Aug’s Cumm updates as, I have mine set to 30 and 365 and its still on 1803 Winver 17134.228 which is Aug’s update here’s the breakdown link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4099479 and any new install with deferrals and Metered set and it will honour them, saw this last Friday at work with an 1803 machine. As you already know if you connect to the net you will get the latest and greatest update without your deferrals set. Sure there’s going to be some Drivers and other stuff but you can take care of that with your GPOL settings for drivers before you connect to the net. Or you can be poised with WUMT or WUSHOWHIDE the minute you reconnect to the net.

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Sorry to be alittle dense here, but if I set Feature Update to 0 days, wont the 1803 Update show up in Settings WUpdater just like any other Monthly update (and await me to push the “Download” button since I have Group Policy 2 – Ask set?)

Why then would I use the “Check for Updates” button instead of the “Download” button since the 1803 Feature update would already be right there on hold?

Still trying to learn the nuances of Windows 10 !

Also wushowhide only seems to show me the updates that are holding/awaiting download.  I can then hide them with a check mark and a shut down/restart, but updates don’t show up if I just do an arbitrary check to see whats out there.  Am I doing something incorrectly?

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BobbyB wrote:

@anonymous I quite appreciate your dilemma especially with the sheer dearth of Office 2016 updates and custom settings. With the .ISO just copy to your desktop click on it or “Mount” it and run (setup.exe as admin) with the net off and it’ll upgrade in place, and then go with @pkcano ‘s advice

Are you inferring that the .iso method you describe will Upgrade my system to 1803 offline AND keep my current programs/apps and settings in place same as the online Feature upgrade routine?

Never heard of that one. Though that may give the option to keep settings but not programs/apps.

Pls clarify.

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anonymous wrote:

Sorry to be alittle dense here, but if I set Feature Update to 0 days, wont the 1803 Update show up in Settings WUpdater just like any other Monthly update (and await me to push the “Download” button

Oh no dont worry we are all still learning even some of us that have been round the infernal antics of M$ since the early 90’s its “a walk on the wild side” some days even now.
If you remove your deferrals and “Go Seek” it should grab 1803 and thrust you in to an upgrade if thats what you want, if you leave it past midday tommorrow 1200MST you may get 1809 which I gather is not the desired result. As for leaving the net “off” through the whole upgrade process, well it does seem to be the way to go as I cant recommend when to shut it off during the upgrade Maybe at this screen???
https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5sYXB0b3BtYWcuY29tL2ltYWdlcy93cC9wdXJjaC1hcGkvaW5jb250ZW50LzIwMTUvMDcvMTQzODE1NjUwMV81MDkuNzQwNTQwNTQwNTQ0MDMucG5n

Obviously dont select download updates as the image espouses, hopefully the “in place upgrade” should have all the files it needs, but no doubt it’ll try and get you to reconnect at some point. Last upgrade in place I did was 2015 Win8.1 to Win10x64’s 1507? so I am a bit hazy but the ones I have seen on other machines, as I think I mentioned seem to use the net quite a bit during upgrade, hope this helps I am still a bit hazy my self being a DISM or clean install devotee.

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anonymous wrote:

Are you inferring that the .iso method you describe will Upgrade my system to 1803 offline AND keep my current programs/apps and settings in place same as the online Feature upgrade routine

Yes it will as the Win10 1803 .ISO files has everything it needs it needs contained in there and doesent need to go online for any extra’s etc.
As always backup anything you need and set your deferrals Group Policies and or metered before reconnecting to the net and life should be good

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BobbyB,

What you are proposing sounds like a “clean install”.  Below are some excerpts from PK regarding upgrades and clean installs from the 1709 Lounge:

When 1803 installs, it moves the 1709 files to a Windows.old folder and installs (upgrades to) 1803. If you do this through Windows Update, it installs the current version of 1803 preserving your applications (if they are compatible) and your personal files.

The other option is to do a clean install using the downloaded Update tool (not through Windows Update). You can choose to preserve your personal files. (but not apps – added)

What type of installation does MS call what you are suggesting?  I can’t afford to lose my program/apps in the end. All I know is there is (I think) Refresh, Reset, Reinstall, Fresh Start.

Also regarding your disconnect question – everyone says before you reboot the system which I assumed the updater downloads the files, after reboot installs the update?

Not sure at what point the screen you show appears.  Before or after reboot?

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Do it through Windows Update. It’s safer if you have these questions. You need to do it today before they release 1809.

Beside, Windows Update will give you the current version. The ISO will give you the original release or, at latest, the June update and you will have to update from there.

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BobbyB

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anonymous wrote:

What you are proposing sounds like a “clean install”.

errm no it isnt actually. Its just like an “inplace upgrade” i.e. you never start from an install media. As @pkcano states its probably better, if your in doubt, to go with his suggestion.
FYI a Clean install is where you wipe/format the disk the Disk and install with a Media of your choice either USB or CD/DVD generally clean booting from the previous 2 media, I was fully aware that you wanted to keep your settings etc hence I didnt suggest that, normally when I have nothing I need to keep or want to retain I would prefer that, but as the amount of work updates etc and custom settings these days precludes that option in most cases.
More of a keep it as it is kind of Guy my self. especially when its working well .

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PK, pls answer final questions before I update.

Where does the screen that BobbyB regarding Downloading and installing updates show come up?   Before or after the Reboot?  Should I allow or wait till later after logging back in?

Thanks to all for your help

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You only see the screen in @BobbyB ‘s post #220663 if you use the ISO. You won’t see that with Windows Update.

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BobbyB

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Again PKCano is correct here.
If you run the ISO, it will check for updated files if you let it. My experience has been that this is to check for 3rd party drivers (through Windows Update), but it could also be other things. Since you’re upgrading from 1709 to 1803, most likely you already have all your drivers intact and this option won’t make a difference for you.

If you run off Windows Update, it will do this on its own, if necessary. It does not prompt you.

I’ve had equal luck doing feature upgrades off WU and the newer ISO. I don’t know if one is truly better than the other.

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Final question before pushing button (which one?)

Sorry to be alittle dense here, but if I set Feature Update to 0 days, wont the 1803 Update show up in Settings WUpdater just like any other Monthly update (and await me to push the “Download” button since I have Group Policy 2 – Ask set?)

Why then would I use the “Check for Updates” button instead of the “Download” button since the 1803 Feature update would already be right there on hold?

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Check for updates if it doesn’t show up.

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