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    • #94141

      Astoundingly, reader 715 has a formatted copy of most of the comments. They won’t be indexed and nested/indented the usual way, but here’s the feed:

      February 12, 2017 at 7:49 am #93999 Reply

      lizzytish
      AskWoody Lounger
      Think we can really owe a vote of thanks to Gunter!!!!
      There will be a lot saying (me included) “Why am I not surprised!”

      Feel the quotations are apt for both this post and also the one on Office.

      Question of the Devil you know or the Devil you don’t…….

      or Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea!

      or Out of the frypan into the fire!
      LT

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      February 12, 2017 at 8:43 am #94013 Reply

      anonymous
      Woody… Can’t find my password at the moment so I’m posting “anonymously” instead of as MikeFromMarkham… Anyway…

      There is a switch under Settings to turn off the data transmission in this supposedly private browser…

      But if you’re skeptical whether this actually works, you can turn it off yourself by accessing the browser’s “about:config” page (type about:config in the address bar and press Enter), and then search for and set the following values to totally disable data reporting:

      datareporting.healthreport.uploadEnabled => false
      datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled => false
      toolkit.telemetry.enabled => false
      toolkit.telemetry.unified => false

      To change a setting, double-click on it, or right-click and then Toggle to change it.

      The same settings can be set in the mainstream Firefox browser as well.

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      Elly, Noel Carboni, samak, ch100, woody, Cesar
      February 12, 2017 at 9:11 am #94020 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss
      If the “forgotten password” link doesn’t work, you can always email me.

      February 12, 2017 at 6:02 pm #94203 Reply

      MikeFromMarkham
      AskWoody Lounger
      Thanks, Woody, but I finally remembered where I stored it!

      February 12, 2017 at 10:40 am #94071 Reply

      RCPete
      AskWoody Lounger
      For what it’s worth, I’m not seeing those items in Pale Moon’s fork of Firefox. The closest is: toolkit.telemetry.rejected set to TRUE.

      RCPete

      February 12, 2017 at 10:07 pm #94267 Reply

      satrow
      AskWoody MVP
      The Pale Moon dev does try to ensure that the browser (and the email client, Fossamail) is as clean as possible.

      “toolkit.telemetry.rejected set to TRUE” looks like that telemetry is switched off (rejected). That telemetry is pointed back at Mozilla’s servers anyway from what I can tell, they’ll be rejected as Pale Moon doesn’t have the key to enable access – and Mozilla wouldn’t want Pale Moon’s telemetry data anyway.

      Pale Moon doesn’t collect any telemetry, not even the basics like user numbers.

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      February 12, 2017 at 9:15 am #94021 Reply

      Rob
      AskWoody Lounger
      I have firefox tweaks collected over the years of using the browser for use on setting up PC’s
      Here are some more relating to telemetry:

      Note: This is for PC users

      Open firefox then type or copy the command about:config
      Next a warning will pop up, accept it to continue.

      Note: The bold text is what you need to change the setting to

      In the search bar type or copy and paste:

      1) toolkit.telemetry.unified (set to ‘FALSE’)
      2) toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled (set to ‘FALSE’)
      3) toolkit.telemetry.enabled (set to ‘FALSE’)
      4) datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled (set to ‘FALSE’)
      5) datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled.v2 (set to ‘FALSE’) (pre v50 firefox)

      Exit and restart firefox.

      Once Firefox has opened hit the ALT key on your keyboard
      (this brings up the File Menu bar at the top of your screen)
      In the File Menu bar go to Tools / Options
      Within Firefox options page go to the Advanced Tab/ Data Choices and untick all tickboxes.

      Job done, no more reporting back to Mozilla.

      | Group B Win 7 HP and Pro |.

      No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT.
      AE
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      February 12, 2017 at 9:31 am #94024 Reply

      anonymous
      That’s quite a fair trade, ie consumers getting to use Firefox for free, in return for giving Firefox the ability to earn some marketing or ad revenue. Otherwise, Firefox may soon need to close shop. Similarly for Google’s free products and services.

      February 12, 2017 at 9:48 am #94058 Reply

      anonymous
      In this day and age, they need to be asking for permission. Many of us have long since exhausted our after-the-fact forgiveness.

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      Elly
      February 12, 2017 at 3:19 pm #94176 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      Yes, if they disclosed what data and how they are using them. FULLY, which you can never be sure they do.

      This reply was modified 12 hours, 47 minutes ago by fp.
      February 12, 2017 at 9:16 pm #94246 Reply

      anonymous
      Fyi, ABC, CBS, NBC n FOX do not need TV users’ permission to display ads on the free TV shows running on the users’ TVs.

      In comparison, people hv to pay to watch better quality TV shows on Cable TV or Satellite TV which are also filled with ads without the payers’ permission.

      So, it is already common practice that users’ permission is not required when they use free stuffs from companies. IOW, if the users do not like what comes together with the free stuff, they can choose not to use it or pay to use another similar stuff which they like.

      February 12, 2017 at 9:52 am #94062 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss
      Martin Brinkmann has some additional information on the Ghacks site.

      This reply was modified 18 hours, 13 minutes ago by woody.
      February 12, 2017 at 10:12 am #94067 Reply

      Ascaris
      AskWoody Lounger
      Firefox is up front with the telemetry. Right when you install it, you see an alert bar at the bottom that says that Firefox collects data, and it provides a button to take you to the settings.

      I don’t have a problem with Mozilla doing this way I do with MS or Google doing it. Mozilla makes it clear that it is happening by default and gives you a clear path to change the settings. That’s quite different from Windows 10, for example, which (during the installation or the first time it runs for OEM preloads) has a big button to choose the express settings without explaining that it turns on the full amount of spying, with only a small link that isn’t that easy to see for custom settings. They know most people just see the button in the lower right corner (whatever it may be) as a “you have to click here to make stuff happen” button, so that’s where they put the button that doesn’t give the user any choice, or even any information that there will be considerable data collection if they choose that option.

      In contrast, if people absent-mindedly click the button on the alert in Firefox, they are shown the telemetry options, so even if they missed the text in the alert bar they just clicked on, they still can see that the telemetry is on. Microsoft is being sneaky; Firefox is making it as hard to miss that they are using telemetry as they can. If Microsoft had a “yes, we collect user data, but you can click this button to change those settings” message that was prominently displayed during installation or first run, and the settings therein allowed all of the telemetry to be turned off, I would not have as much of a problem with it as I do now.

      I also give more leeway to FOSS developers in terms of telemetry than I would to a huge commercial company like Microsoft. Part of the reason MS wants us to keep telemetry on and to have updates forced on us is because customers are now the beta testers, whether they want to be or not, since MS laid off most of the professional testers they used to have. I’m more forgiving when a community project (whose product is completely free) relies on the community to test it and report bugs than when a company that charges money for a product that comes with a lot of restrictions and limitations, then turns around and asks (or demands, in Microsoft’s case) that I take part in beta testing it for them for free.

      I’m comparing Firefox to Windows 10 here, and I know it’s not a 1:1 comparison, but it is the only way to get Edge, and a comparison between Edge and Firefox is completely justified. Not all of the telemetry settings in Windows necessarily relate to Edge, of course… but when they intentionally weld the browser to the OS, the lines get blurred. How can we tell if it is Edge that is spying on you rather than Windows 10 itself?

      I can’t compare Firefox to Chrome, as I have no experience with Chrome.

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      Rob
      February 12, 2017 at 3:17 pm #94175 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      I think you should be more careful than trusting ANYBODY just because they seem to tell you something upfront. I can see how this can be just the way to instill trust in you, while they do more than what they tell you. I would be surprised if this weren’t the case and as Noel’s analysis suggests just that.

      February 12, 2017 at 11:32 am #94085 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      As I keep repeating, violating privacy has become the almost exclusive business model of companies who discovered that its much easier, less costly and very profitable to do it than provide goods and services; and what is more, the gullible American public, who has never experienced tyranny, tolerates it while the govt lets them for its own purposes. So it would be irrational, under these circumstances, not to do it. It won’t end well.

      Law prof explains how the road to bad law is paved with good intentions.
      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/american-spies-how-we-got-to-age-of-mass-surveillance-without-even-trying/

      In fact, if you consider W10, vendors today develop upgrades for the almost exclusive purpose to enhance spying, not to improve user utility.

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      February 12, 2017 at 12:50 pm #94111 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody MVP
      Just a data point, observed during a test:

      I don’t normally use FireFox, but when I start FireFox on my own home page (ProDigitalSoftware.com), FireFox accesses the domain I have listed on my home page, then a whole bunch more.

      Note that ONLY ProDigitalSoftware.com is directly referenced on my home page. Some of the other pages deeper in my web page set (but NOT my home page) access secure.softwarekey.com.

      ALL the others – bolded entries in the following list – are accessed by FireFox without any permission from me or even my knowledge. And I have configured it to the best of my ability to disable all “extra” features.

      prodigitalsoftware.com A resolved from Forwarding Server as 66.96.149.32
      prodigitalsoftware.com A resolved from Cache to 66.96.149.32
      prodigitalsoftware.com AAAA not found by Forwarding Server
      secure.softwarekey.com A resolved from Forwarding Server as 66.150.99.39
      secure.softwarekey.com A resolved from Cache to 66.150.99.39
      secure.softwarekey.com AAAA not found by Forwarding Server
      shavar.services.mozilla.com A resolved from Forwarding Server as 52.43.198.160
      shavar.prod.mozaws.net A resolved from Forwarding Server as 52.43.240.174
      shavar.prod.mozaws.net AAAA not found by Forwarding Server
      self-repair.mozilla.org A resolved from Forwarding Server as 52.35.8.196
      shield-normandy-elb-prod-2099053585.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com A resolved from Forwarding Server as 52.89.80.240
      shield-normandy-elb-prod-2099053585.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com A resolved from Cache to 52.89.80.240
      shield-normandy-elb-prod-2099053585.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com AAAA not found by Forwarding Server
      normandy.cdn.mozilla.net A resolved from Forwarding Server as 54.192.83.216
      d6wjo2hisqfy2.cloudfront.net A resolved from Forwarding Server as 54.192.83.84
      d6wjo2hisqfy2.cloudfront.net AAAA not found by Forwarding Server

      What this list says quite clearly is that

      1) FireFox apparently accesses pages linked from the page I’m showing – presumably to anticipate my visiting them – something I have NO interest in having it do. I’ve configured it to be as private as possible. If there are other (hidden) configuration options I don’t know them.

      2) FireFox accesses a number of sites that have NOTHING to do with the page I’m requesting. Self update checks? Telemetry/snooping? Tracking? Who knows?

      The above is what I saw when starting FireFox 51.0.1 on Win 8.1.

      -Noel

      February 12, 2017 at 1:18 pm #94113 Reply

      Rob
      AskWoody Lounger
      Pre-caching all the links on your chosen homepage in anticipation for quicker web browsing?
      Remember the browser wars years back..Netscape Navigator, IE, Firefox (when Google was a search engine and Microsoft missed out big-time)
      They were all looking for a faster browser experience and I’m sure this is the way Firefox works to achieve the speed.

      Given that Firefox is open source, I don’t think it’s anything untoward, been using Firefox since the end of the Phoenix days back in 1999 and never had an issue other than coding bugs which are promptly fixed for Windows and Linux and later apple OSX.

      There’s too much to lose from Mozilla’s perspective..trust being the major factor.

      | Group B Win 7 HP and Pro |.

      No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT.
      AE
      February 12, 2017 at 1:47 pm #94122 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody MVP
      I’m not so concerned about the pre-fetch stuff as the other, but hey, if there are configuration options explicitly telling it NOT to resolve all the links on those other pages (not to mention deleting history on exit), it shouldn’t be doing it.

      But no matter, it’s not my browser of choice. As it turns out, it’s SO not my browser of choice, and after gaining the added knowledge that it’s visiting half a dozen sites at startup behind my back, that I just removed it entirely from my main workstation. When I need to test web pages in alternate browsers I’ll do it in a Virtual Machine.

      Heh, regarding FireFox being open source… Have you personally taken the time to read through all the sources? What’s the lines-of-code count? In the millions? I wonder how many have actually read through it… Yes, I realize having it open to all active developers, assuming at least some developers have integrity, IS a measure of security. Still, things can be hidden in plain sight.

      -Noel

      February 12, 2017 at 3:13 pm #94173 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      I don’t think ANYBODY can be trusted these days. The tolerated profitability of private data is too strong a temptation to resist, particularly for vendors of mature software–it’s hard to come up with new really useful features for which users are not prepared to pay for/buy. Everybody wants rent income now.

      February 12, 2017 at 3:50 pm #94181 Reply

      Rob
      AskWoody Lounger
      I think the Tor Browser speaks for itself which is based on..? and has been developed and used by..?
      So bouncing communications around a distributed network of relays would surely be more secure in..?

      There are certain tweaks and settings required to assist in securing firefox further via about:config which are evolving continuously and the devs at Mozilla are doing a d**ned good job. There are some default settings which need tweaked also but hey, what browser doesn’t?

      I’m very happy with firefox as there are certain security measures which can be manipulated that I’m familiar and satisfied with and has stood the test of time, circa 13 years in my experience.

      It’s all a matter of personal preference.

      | Group B Win 7 HP and Pro |.

      No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT.
      AE
      February 12, 2017 at 6:18 pm #94204 Reply

      anonymous
      Some searching of the web reveals… Normandy, it is Mozilla’s server-side component part of a project named SHIELD. SHIELD is Mozilla’s user interaction project. The Shavar domains are apparently related to Mozilla’s safe browsing service. I’m not sure what the use of the Cloudfront domains are for, maybe it is providing bandwidth and/or redundancy for the Mozilla services or the dns prefetch.

      Normandy project collection on Github and documentation
      https://github.com/mozilla/normandy
      http://normandy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

      SHIELD project Wiki
      https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/SHIELD

      Shavar Github and Wiki
      https://github.com/mozilla-services/shavar
      https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Shavar

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      February 12, 2017 at 1:55 pm #94125 Reply

      ch100
      AskWoody MVP
      This is the location in settings where the GUI configuration is done.

      Mozilla-Data-Collection

      The GUI configures settings like those mentioned above by MikeFromMarkham and Rob.

      I have been very tempted recently to give Chrome another try purely for functional reasons.
      There is no point for me in wasting time with this telemetry/snooping discussion forever.
      Those concerned with intelligence agencies collecting data do not want to admit that those agencies known by various names and which operate in every country of the World exist exactly for that purpose and have always collected data, in the East, West, North or South. They have better means to do this than having Microsoft or other companies building backdoors in their product.

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      Rob, Woody posting as an MVP, JDeC
      February 12, 2017 at 3:07 pm #94172 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      You want to avoid MS spying by switching to Google/Chrome??????????

      February 12, 2017 at 2:12 pm #94144 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody MVP
      ch100 wrote:
      This is the location in settings where the GUI configuration is done.

      Yep, all that was configured to the most private settings, along with all the other things that could cause online contacts. And still 6 servers were unexpectedly contacted when I started FireFox. Perhaps some of them have legitimate reasons for being (a self check for updates, for example). Hard to imagine all 6 need to be contacted.

      I just checked very carefully. IE, configured as I have it, even after IPCONFIG /FLUSHDNS doesn’t contact ANY other sites than my home page URL when I start it.

      People often dis Microsoft’s Internet Explorer browser, but there was arguably more serious work to promote security and privacy put into its security model than the others. It just isn’t configured to be particularly secure out of the box! For example, who, today, would really want to run ActiveX controls from the wild internet? That can easily be disabled.

      I can’t say how much of that security model has been carried forward into Edge. My guess, based on limited testing when Win 10 version 1607 came out and before I deleted Edge, would be not much. There are simply not enough settings presented to be able to tailor the security model to particular needs. And so Windows 10 becomes all the more a toy.

      -Noel

      February 12, 2017 at 2:44 pm #94161 Reply

      ch100
      AskWoody MVP
      There is one more basic setting which ideally should be done in Firefox to avoid excessive advertising and tracking. This is to disable third-party cookies and allow only first-party cookies.

      Mozilla-First-party-cookies-only

      Beyond that ad-block plus is safe, but all other add-ons enhancing security break functionality.

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      February 12, 2017 at 11:24 pm #94284 Reply

      anonymous
      In my experience, disabling third party cookies, even if it is something I would find desirable, sometimes caused issues with some sites. As mitigation, and I don’t know if it is any good, I accept the third party cookies, but automatically erase all cookies when closing Firefox. If I ever find a situation where I really would like to save a cookie on a website between sessions, I add the site to the exception list, but that is not something I remember doing for a very long time.

      As for your assertion that all other add-ons besides adblock plus break functionality, I find that quite bold. Adblock plus can sometimes cause a website to not load and might even require to be disabled and not just disabled for the page. I like adblock plus a lot, but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t break functionality. Also, I use Noscript with allow scripts globally to not interfere with users experience on people I help machines (Noscript can be a real pain) but to still provide cross-site scripting protection. I can’t comment about other add-ons because I don’t use them and don’t find a need to, although I think it is possible somebody here could convince me that some extension could be valid.

      February 13, 2017 at 12:23 am #94306 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      Not just: it can also block certain features on a page that sometimes are important.

      February 12, 2017 at 3:04 pm #94170 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      Perhaps, but when IE was designed there was no MS focus on spying. Practically all corporations that can are focused on spying these days and so it MS. Witness W10 and Edge.

      February 12, 2017 at 4:13 pm #94187 Reply

      Rob
      AskWoody Lounger
      Woody, in answer to your thread title, no I don’t think it is on PC’s but phones are a different kettle of fish!
      PEBCAK with bad practices.

      | Group B Win 7 HP and Pro |.

      No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT.
      AE
      February 12, 2017 at 4:40 pm #94191 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody MVP
      anonymous wrote:
      datareporting.healthreport.uploadEnabled => false
      datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled => false
      toolkit.telemetry.enabled => false
      toolkit.telemetry.unified => false

      To change a setting, double-click on it, or right-click and then Toggle to change it.

      Thanks, I missed this post before somehow.

      Setting the above has eliminated all the extra sites I saw contacted during FireFox startup, but apparently FireFox is still walking my site since I still see a server my site uses but not on the home page.

      Edit: And… Changing network.prefetch-next to false did not correct that.
      Edit 2: Setting network.dns.disablePrefetch to true DID correct it.

      This level of configurability is growing on me.

      -Noel

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      satrow
      February 12, 2017 at 7:46 pm #94215 Reply

      Ascaris
      AskWoody Lounger
      fp wrote:
      I don’t think ANYBODY can be trusted these days. The tolerated profitability of private data is too strong a temptation to resist, particularly for vendors of mature software–it’s hard to come up with new really useful features for which users are not prepared to pay for/buy. Everybody wants rent income now.

      Firefox has been using telemetry (and telling its users about it) for diagnostics since the beginning… from long before this trend of spying on people for advertising revenue purposes. I don’t see any reason to believe their reasons have changed since then… they’re not an advertising company like Google has always been, and like Microsoft is trying to become. Unlike MS or Google, they’ve done nothing to violate my trust (relatively speaking; I don’t trust anyone completely) that they have built over the last 16 years. They’re making a litany of dumb design decisions, but nothing so far to make me suspect them of a violation of that trust.

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      February 12, 2017 at 11:39 pm #94291 Reply

      anonymous
      I agree completely. I use Firefox as my main browser and as my user’s browser since the beginning and although they did some bad design mistakes sometimes, I do trust them, relatively and much more than any other, and I am very satisfied with the current browser version.

      One setting you might configure if you have an SSD and you don’t want Firefox to write tons of data on it to save full session state every 15 seconds is to go to about:config and change the value of browser.sessionstore.interval to something different than 15000 ms. I don’t know if they fixed that issue but previously some people complained it wrote about 20gb of data per day because they left many tabs open for long periods of time. However, be aware that the less often session data is saved, the more risk you run of loosing your session state should Windows 10 restart your computer for you and close Firefox or if you crash. I set mine to half and hour because my Firefox 64 bits don’t crash, really and I am on Win 7 annd don’t experience loss of sessions really.

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      Rob
      February 13, 2017 at 12:19 am #94305 Reply

      fp
      AskWoody Lounger
      The fact that you don’t see any reason does not mean they don’t.

      My point was not to accuse them, but to alert people that in this day and age what they don’t see does not mean it doesn’t exist. The temptation exists, everybody’s doing it and profits and as far as I know they do have some problems. I’ve seen so many cases of promises of not ever doing it that did not survive that I simply don’t believe any assurances.

      But that’s just me and my advice, which you’re free to ignore.

      February 13, 2017 at 1:19 am #94309 Reply

      anonymous
      I personally prefer WaterFox which is a 64-bit fork of FireFox. It’s quite good. As far as I know WaterFox doesn’t do that telemetry. I don’t really like FireFox. It’s just become bloated and slow.

      February 13, 2017 at 3:15 am #94323 Reply

      Rob
      AskWoody Lounger
      So, from this:

      Noel Carboni wrote:
      But no matter, it’s not my browser of choice. As it turns out, it’s SO not my browser of choice, and after gaining the added knowledge that it’s visiting half a dozen sites at startup behind my back, that I just removed it entirely from my main workstation. When I need to test web pages in alternate browsers I’ll do it in a Virtual Machine.

      To this:

      Noel Carboni wrote:
      This level of configurability is growing on me.

      in a few hours, wow! Firefox must be SO not good then?

      [This part edited because it’s just personal hogwash.]

      Oh and still awaiting the reply regarding the Tor browser questions I put forward to you..

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        @ woody

        Fyi, the last post by Rob is dated 13 Feb 2017 and was later edited…

        (Thks anonymous – we have now fixed it back up.)

    • #94249

      I had responded to that last but it’s not up there. Something about how you got to watch me learn something new in real time and how I’m not interested in discussing Tor and that side of the web at all.

      I respect everyone’s choices.

      -Noel

    • #94264

      I’m all for privacy and security, but the Tor browser, VPNing to hide my identity, and the “dark web” do not interest me.

      (Taken from original statement lost)

      Agreed on privacy and security on everything digitally connected, as for the hiding identity and the ‘dark web’ distraction which has never been mentioned prior to your comment, that does not interest me either.

      With regards to the initial questions, I’ll answer for you;

      Tor Browser is based on.. Firefox
      It has been developed and used by.. the United States Naval Research Labs and is being developed further to meet todays security and beyond for
      the public to protect the public, for privacy.
      Bouncing communications around a distributed network of relays is more secure.. within Firefox, the core browser it was designed for.

      Now do you see what I’m getting at?

      To put it another way, when installing a new unfamiliar program in Windows do you:
      Do a default installation or a custom installation?
      There lies my point when installing anything one is not familiar with.

      Research is required prior to posting initial findings on a forum which is usually found on other fora or support pages by more experienced users.

      I questioned your test, as it was FAR too early to comment on, not knowing the about:config tweaks required to secure Firefox further.

      This was obviously misconstrued as a personal attack by an MVP and was by no means so 🙂

      Windows - commercial by definition and now function...
    • #94278

      @ Noel
      My point has been made and other than discredit each other with POV’s, I think we should continue with your tests.
      So, here are a few more Security/ Telemetry and Privacy tweaks for firefox for your tests:
      Some of these are not necessary in v50.01 but safer to check.
      These tweaks work for both Windows and Linux.

      Open up firefox and in the address bar type: about:config
      A popup will appear ‘Here be Dragons’ accept the risks and proceed.
      Then in the filter search either copy and paste the string or edit value.
      To change string values, double click the string to change.

      Security: Additional browser security
      For the Logjam vulnerability follow the steps below:
      1) Type: security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_128_sha set to FALSE
      2) Type security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha set to FALSE

      Disable SSL 3.0 to be immune from the POODLE attack:
      1) Type: security.tls.version.min set to 1 to enforce TLS.
      2) Type: security.tls.version.max set to 3, which enables TLS 1.1 and 1.2 (default in FF v50+)

      Telemetry blocking:
      1) Type: toolkit.telemetry.unified set to FALSE
      2) Type: toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled set to FALSE
      3) Type: toolkit.telemetry.enabled set to FALSE
      4) Type: datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled set to FALSE
      5) Type: datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled.v2 set to FALSE (Pre v50 firefox)
      6) Type: datareporting.healthreport.uploadEnabled set to FALSE

      Additional Privacy Tweaks:
      1) Type: browser.privatebrowsing.autostart set to TRUE
      2) Type: dom.event.clipboardevents.enabled set to FALSE (hides Copy & Paste from Website tracking)
      3) Type: dom.storage.enabled set to FALSE (prevent DOM Storage tracking by websites)
      4) Type: geo.enabled set to FALSE (geolocation prevention via websites, explicit or not)
      5) Type: geo.wifi.uri set to 127.0.0.1 (Loopback related to geolocation and not to google host)
      6) Type: privacy.trackingprotection.enabled set to TRUE (enables a blocklist via disconnect on cross site tracking)

      Disclaimer: I am not reponsible for borking your firefox, try these at your own risk.
      I can assure you that they all work on our live and VM systems.

      Windows - commercial by definition and now function...
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