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Hey, I just found a neat little keyboard trick. I was inserting a CD that I didn’t want to auto play so I had the shift key depressed. At the same time, I was bring up the lounge main page and wanted to go to the bottom – so, naturally, I used my scroll ball on my mouse. Guess what happened!! My lounge web site was replaced by the previous page I had visited, and the one before that, and the one before that. I could scroll up and down between the four pages while I had the shift key depressed.

I wonder if it works with other browers (I’m using IE 6.?)

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Tim – that’s a great find! I never knew…

Leave it to Microsoft to provide yet another navigation shortcut. (Perhaps that is one reason software continues to bloat – more and more new features like that are added with every version.)

Good stuff!

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And Ctrl+scroll wheel changes the font size…

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That almost certainly explains how I managed to change font sizes whilst installing updates the other week. I knew that I hadn’t touched any menus that could have done it.

StuartR

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That almost certainly explains how I managed to change font sizes whilst installing updates the other week. I knew that I hadn’t touched any menus that could have done it.

StuartR

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Hans–

I’ve always found and just tested it that to use Ctrl+the scroll wheel in the mouse to “rheostat” font size I have to go to Options>General Tab>Accessibility> and put a check in the box “Ignore font on specified web pages,” or it won’t work. It’s one of my favorite settings, because it allows me to use the scroll wheel to adjust the size of a font anywhere on a web page–the only downside is that very rarely a page will overlap and this is rare times a year with a lot of computer use–and if that happens I just take the check out to make the page behave normally.

SMBP

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SMBP,

On my system, “Ignore font sizes specified on Web pages” is Off, yet Ctrl+scroll wheel changes the font size, but – as is logical – only for those parts of web pages whose font size hasn’t been set explicitly by the designer. Here in the Lounge, for instance, most font sizes are fixed, but the line containing links to “Quick Skin Switch” and the line containing “WOPR Frontpage” do change in size when I use Ctrl+scroll wheel.

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I did some experimenting with the CTRL- and it looks to me like only fonts specified with a relative font size on the page actually change size. For example when reading posts in this forum, the headers change size, but the post itself does not change font size.

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Seth–

When you did this, how did you configure that checkbox I’m referencing?

SMBP

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When I don’t have the ignore font size checkbox checked, only text with a declared font tag changes.
When I do have the checkbox checked, all of the text on the web page doubles in size and then all text changes
when I use CTRL-scroll wheel.

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When I don’t have the ignore font size checkbox checked, only text with a declared font tag changes.
When I do have the checkbox checked, all of the text on the web page doubles in size and then all text changes
when I use CTRL-scroll wheel.

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Seth–

When you did this, how did you configure that checkbox I’m referencing?

SMBP

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I did some experimenting with the CTRL- and it looks to me like only fonts specified with a relative font size on the page actually change size. For example when reading posts in this forum, the headers change size, but the post itself does not change font size.

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Hans–

Sorry for not getting back sooner. Missed the post for few days and I don’t use email lounge notifications. I’d appreciate your take on this. If I keep the check in “Ignore fonts” in the lounge and elsewhere (probably exceptions dep. on web page but I’m not seeing them) I can scroll+Ctrl to modify size. On this page with this box open typing, I can also modify font size with View>Text Size–all of the lounge fonts (hyperlinks or not) but text size in this reply box doesn’t change.

With the check out, I get very small fonts–smaller than I’m comfortable with and any of the typing is annoyingly light–the only fonts on the lounge page affected by View>Text Size are “English” (for me) by the flags and a hyperlink at the bottom–“msn office communities.”

So for me, and I can’t explain why–I’m hoping you can–with “Ignore Font Size” off I can’t make the scroll wheel work at all. With it on, I can, and View>Text Size defaults to smallest when you check the box but can rachet the font size up.

SMBP

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Ctrl+scroll wheel works for me whatever the setting of “Ignore font sizes…” is, but its effect is limited if the setting is off. See screen shot

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Interesting, Hans. Thanks for the ss’s. I wish I could explain the differences. I doubt it has anything to do at all with me using a Logitech wireless mouse and your mouse or is hardware at all.

I also wish I knew why and it is lounge specific the font becomes a little too light for my tastes in addition to very small if I take that check mark out in the lounge only.

SMBP

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Interesting, Hans. Thanks for the ss’s. I wish I could explain the differences. I doubt it has anything to do at all with me using a Logitech wireless mouse and your mouse or is hardware at all.

I also wish I knew why and it is lounge specific the font becomes a little too light for my tastes in addition to very small if I take that check mark out in the lounge only.

SMBP

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The discrepancy is due to settings in the stylesheet, or at least in the stylesheet I use. The default style is:

body, p, table, td, tr {   
  font-size:   12px;
  font-family: arial,verdana,helvetica;
  color: #000000;
}

But notice that the Post number and link back have a different style assigned, class=”small” (in a FONT tag, which isn’t the way I do it, I think this was probably supposed to be a SPAN tag):

Re: Scroll back to Previous Web pages
Post: 303109re: 303025 from SMBP

The font definition for the SMALL style uses a relative size rather than an absolute size:

.small {
  font-size:   x-small;
  font-family: arial,verdana,helvetica;
}

It is my untested theory that a relative size allows you to resize regardless of the Accessibility setting, while a absolute size cannot be resized unless the setting is Ignored in the Accessibility settings dialog. Make sense?

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Yes, I think that relative vs absolute font size is the cause of this behavior; it’s what I meant (but didn’t express clearly) in post 301702.

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Yes, I think that relative vs absolute font size is the cause of this behavior; it’s what I meant (but didn’t express clearly) in post 301702.

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The discrepancy is due to settings in the stylesheet, or at least in the stylesheet I use. The default style is:

body, p, table, td, tr {   
  font-size:   12px;
  font-family: arial,verdana,helvetica;
  color: #000000;
}

But notice that the Post number and link back have a different style assigned, class=”small” (in a FONT tag, which isn’t the way I do it, I think this was probably supposed to be a SPAN tag):

Re: Scroll back to Previous Web pages
Post: 303109re: 303025 from SMBP

The font definition for the SMALL style uses a relative size rather than an absolute size:

.small {
  font-size:   x-small;
  font-family: arial,verdana,helvetica;
}

It is my untested theory that a relative size allows you to resize regardless of the Accessibility setting, while a absolute size cannot be resized unless the setting is Ignored in the Accessibility settings dialog. Make sense?

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Ctrl+scroll wheel works for me whatever the setting of “Ignore font sizes…” is, but its effect is limited if the setting is off. See screen shot

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Hans–

Sorry for not getting back sooner. Missed the post for few days and I don’t use email lounge notifications. I’d appreciate your take on this. If I keep the check in “Ignore fonts” in the lounge and elsewhere (probably exceptions dep. on web page but I’m not seeing them) I can scroll+Ctrl to modify size. On this page with this box open typing, I can also modify font size with View>Text Size–all of the lounge fonts (hyperlinks or not) but text size in this reply box doesn’t change.

With the check out, I get very small fonts–smaller than I’m comfortable with and any of the typing is annoyingly light–the only fonts on the lounge page affected by View>Text Size are “English” (for me) by the flags and a hyperlink at the bottom–“msn office communities.”

So for me, and I can’t explain why–I’m hoping you can–with “Ignore Font Size” off I can’t make the scroll wheel work at all. With it on, I can, and View>Text Size defaults to smallest when you check the box but can rachet the font size up.

SMBP

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On my system, Tools/Internet Options/General/Accessibility/Ignore font sizes is ON. Yet I, too, can change the font size of the posts by using Ctrl+wheel. It has the same affect as changing the text size under View/Options.

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Phil,

There is no contradiction. See post 303109. If “Ignore font sizes” is ON, *all* fonts on any web page should change size with Ctrl+scroll wheel. If it is OFF, only those specified with a relative font size.

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Thanks for this. I had forgotten that post as I just got back today & trying to catch up.

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Thanks for this. I had forgotten that post as I just got back today & trying to catch up.

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Phil,

There is no contradiction. See post 303109. If “Ignore font sizes” is ON, *all* fonts on any web page should change size with Ctrl+scroll wheel. If it is OFF, only those specified with a relative font size.

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On my system, Tools/Internet Options/General/Accessibility/Ignore font sizes is ON. Yet I, too, can change the font size of the posts by using Ctrl+wheel. It has the same affect as changing the text size under View/Options.

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SMBP,

On my system, “Ignore font sizes specified on Web pages” is Off, yet Ctrl+scroll wheel changes the font size, but – as is logical – only for those parts of web pages whose font size hasn’t been set explicitly by the designer. Here in the Lounge, for instance, most font sizes are fixed, but the line containing links to “Quick Skin Switch” and the line containing “WOPR Frontpage” do change in size when I use Ctrl+scroll wheel.

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Hans–

I’ve always found and just tested it that to use Ctrl+the scroll wheel in the mouse to “rheostat” font size I have to go to Options>General Tab>Accessibility> and put a check in the box “Ignore font on specified web pages,” or it won’t work. It’s one of my favorite settings, because it allows me to use the scroll wheel to adjust the size of a font anywhere on a web page–the only downside is that very rarely a page will overlap and this is rare times a year with a lot of computer use–and if that happens I just take the check out to make the page behave normally.

SMBP

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And Ctrl+scroll wheel changes the font size…

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Tim – that’s a great find! I never knew…

Leave it to Microsoft to provide yet another navigation shortcut. (Perhaps that is one reason software continues to bloat – more and more new features like that are added with every version.)

Good stuff!

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I’ve never seen that, either!

Excellent catch, kind sir. I’ll run it in the next Windows Watch.

Want me to mention you by name, or include a favorite Web address?

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Just a couple of things I noted on this good find. As I was afraid, it doesn’t work in Mozilla 1.4. Even in my up to date IE 6, it also seems to have a somewhat “short” memory, depending whether you arrive at a web page by manually typing in the URL, selecting a URL from the drop-down URL bar, or picking from your favorites. I didn’t take the time to figure out the pattern. But it’s certainly a nice to know keyboard-mouse trick!

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Curious that is Al… I’m using Firebird 0.6.1, and the font scrolling works for me….

hmm.. why would software start making sense now??

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Curious that is Al… I’m using Firebird 0.6.1, and the font scrolling works for me….

hmm.. why would software start making sense now??

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Just a couple of things I noted on this good find. As I was afraid, it doesn’t work in Mozilla 1.4. Even in my up to date IE 6, it also seems to have a somewhat “short” memory, depending whether you arrive at a web page by manually typing in the URL, selecting a URL from the drop-down URL bar, or picking from your favorites. I didn’t take the time to figure out the pattern. But it’s certainly a nice to know keyboard-mouse trick!

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WOW – a personal reply from woody – another thing gets ticked off my to-do list! Now all that I need to do re the lounge is to get a star post.

Sure, mentioned me by name is fine and if you can include this web site (http://www.geocities.com/ruff_hi/%5B/url%5D – my home page), especially the part about how to make vegemite toast, that would be great.

Thanks,

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WOW – a personal reply from woody – another thing gets ticked off my to-do list! Now all that I need to do re the lounge is to get a star post.

Sure, mentioned me by name is fine and if you can include this web site (http://www.geocities.com/ruff_hi/%5B/url%5D – my home page), especially the part about how to make vegemite toast, that would be great.

Thanks,

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In Excel Ctrl+Scoll changes the size of all the cells.
Boy the wheels are really turning now.

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I mentioned this over in the Office forum, but in Word, holding Ctrl and scrolling zooms in and out in page view. Great for multi-page docs.

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I mentioned this over in the Office forum, but in Word, holding Ctrl and scrolling zooms in and out in page view. Great for multi-page docs.

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In Excel Ctrl+Scoll changes the size of all the cells.
Boy the wheels are really turning now.

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