• Thunderbird to replace Outlook

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    #2406094

    I was wanting to send this to Susan Bradley, in response to her suggestion about using T’bird as Outlook replacement, in latest AskWoody newsletter, but an not finding any way to direct letters to individual writers.  No matter,  its worth having this discussion here.

    At least once a year I wish that I could find a substitute for Outlook, and then stop using the rest of the Office suite (only Word and Excel, really).  I have looked at using T’bird. I tried installing it.  I gave up.

    -every step required another addin.  Want folders? find an addin.  Want to arrange the order of folders? Need another addin.   One after another. Which required research to find the appropriate addin, research to compare them, research to figure out if the addin is compatible with the current t’bird version. Research to figure out how to use the addin. etc etc.

    -I use contacts (stored locally, not stored at Onedrive) in Outlook, with notes field to store info about contacts. The t’bird contact (can’t remember, another addin?) module doesn’t allow for the range of info, quantity of phone numbers that is common for people currently, addresses, partner name, etc . And the field mapping to move info from Outlook to T’bird is extremely clumsy, unintuitive, and would take days to work through, while still losing some of the data currently in Outlook.

    -I use the calendar in Outlook, which syncs with exchange, which then syncs with Iphone and other computers.  With the experience I already had trying to get t’bird set up to simply handle email, and contacts, I couldn’t imagine how I would get t’bird to handle calendar function (another addin!) for me. Plus, seemed that I would lose years of  calendar history.

    I have had people suggest t’bird in the past. Upon asking, I found that they didn’t actually use it themselves. If I am wrong about all or most of this, I am happy to hear how; what it is that I am overlooking, or how to avoid the difficulties I experienced.

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    • #2406915

      Hi Astro,

      The answer is: You should use right tool for the right job.

      If you are Exchange user, than Outlook is native client for it and there is no better option than Outlook. You can use other clients, but you will always have some functional constraints.

      For Gmail, due to it’s nature, the best client is web application.
      For IMAP users Thunderbird showed to be more reliable than Outlook.
      Etc.

    • #2406986

      guest: answer to what ???

      I was relating my experience with t’bird and expressed interest in hearing from anyone that had a very different experience.

      I never claimed to be an “Exchange user”.  MS moved the calendar part of my Outlook use onto Exchange a number of years.  I don’t personally interact with Exchange. I didn’t choose to use it.

      Based on the lack of responses to my post, apparently no one here uses it.

    • #2406988

      Apologies, I didn’t see this post. I use Thunderbird, but just for email. If you USE Outlook, i.e. contacts, appointments, etc. there’s not too many other good platforms.

      You can always comment under an article post, do a DM or pop an email.

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2406990

      I am surprised to see that my response posts are showing me a ‘guest’ ‘anonymous’.  since I was allowed to respond I assumed that I was logged in.  Quite different behavior than other boards I am on, which would require login to respond.  don’t know if I will remember to check this in the future.

    • #2406989

      Apologies, I didn’t see this post. I use Thunderbird, but just for email. If you USE Outlook, i.e. contacts, appointments, etc. there’s not too many other good platforms.

      You can always comment under an article post, do a DM or pop an email.

      Susan,  since you use t’bird for email, where do you store contact info? Email address in t’bird, with the rest someone else.  And what for calendar?  Perhaps there are solutions that I am not aware of.

      Following your comment, above, I tried clicking on the link to “askwoody lounge’ below an article, and it did take me to a discussion about the article.  I had previously assumed that it would only take me to the generic lounge home page, not specifically to a discussion about the article above.

      As for dm or email,  I still don’t see where those links are located.

      • #2406992

        In the menu on the right, do you see “Private message”? That’s the DM. As to email also look in the right side of the page down at the bottom under the calendar. See that email there?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

      • #2406993

        If you have a phone, the phone can drive the location. So in the case of iphones, if you don’t have Outlook, icloud would be the home of your contacts and calendar. If android phone, Google would be the home.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2406997

      Thunderbird (TB) is a very different email application from Outlook. In my experience using both email clients in Mac laptops, I have come to the conclusion that TB is really for personal emailing from home, not the kind of application to use in an office situation, as Outlook is.

      As I understand it: Outlook is too much for home use and TB is not enough for full office use.

      Also I have found TB to be annoyingly buggy and have started several threads here on various problems I have encountered (e.g., tiny letters that sometimes change size unexpectedly in the middle of typing something, and other annoying and inconvenient quirks that require considerable  fiddling with the application to solve). Some of these problems have been fixed after considerable discussion and trying various suggestions from competent people who are regulars at AskWoody.

      I don’t really like Thunderbird, but I am using it at home because of lack of a better alternative right now.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2407007

      Well … here is what a quick googling of “eM Client reviews” dragged in:

      It is pretty good, for many:

      https://www.softwarehow.com/em-client-review/

      It is pretty awful, for more than a few:

      https://www.trustpilot.com/review/emclient.com

      I looked only at the last 12 months, to get recent reviews.

      In my Mac I have been using the client that comes with all Macs, Apple Mail, and have been very satisfied for most of the four and a half years since I bought the Mac — until I upgraded the OS to Big Sur, and then Mail turned a little flaky, which is why I decided to use the often recommended TB instead …

      I wonder if all the failings and flaws in email clients may not reflect the fact that fewer people use email these days.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #2407014

        IMHO you have to try it and see if it fits your needs.  You may use it differently than others.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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