Thurrott: Fact-check: Microsoft’s Creators Update introduction video

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A good one from Paul on Thurrott.com that I missed… Microsoft was somehow able to pack 12 peeks at new Creators Update features into just 20 seconds
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Who buys this stuff from this company??? Why would anyone do that???

The lights are on. Is anyone at home?

CT

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Here they go again and again and again: Lies, da*n lies, and Microsoft.

 

I will only buy it when we have interactive immersive 3D IoT SP7 BSODs…

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I would have been more inclined to assume that this was an oversight or sloppy management of an earlier promotion, however as they have not removed the video or refreshed it to represent the facts, it borders on incompetence. Leaving the material on their website knowing full well that it espouses false claims, is a business faux pas that could have serious repercussions. Can you trust the Microsoft brand?

Their trust quotient has just plummeted to a new and staggering low. Not good.

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Trust: Not just zero but negative.
Credibility: Nonexistent.
Competence: Waning, barely able to build Windows from sources, let alone improve it.

For years I have been expecting them to wake up and say “oops!” then start to fix things.

I guess a company really CAN be too big to fail and too rich to be smart.

-Noel

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I keep saying….

You are witnessing the beginning of the end of a giant, ala NCR, IBM, RCA, etc….

CT

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HA HA 😀

+1

if one want to shoot for a hundred year or thousand years legacy…
one just dont do those kind of (cheating back-stabing) stuff…

and here we have those ‘particular’ individuals gunning for immortality (via robotic or part robotics or brain in da jar)
and scheme (so badly) to keep the house (of cards) from the wind (of change)

HELLO?

be well

back to fishing for better dreams

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You remember, and still believe that your MS enabled computer is an asset, but somewhere in the past it became a liability.

It’s difficult to pinpoint where this happened. Yet somehow my gut tells me it was around mid 2000. All the worms and malware coming to the forefront leading to DHS being appointed to overseeing critical IT infrastructure.

Started noticing heavy suspicion within my peer groups at work concerning the amount of tech relied upon.  Windows XP and Window NT were popular and SCADA was a big new “Best in Class” idea to follow, and low and behold; lets put them centrifuges on the network. Bad idea then, worse even now. I digress.

Vista came in and took  a dump on our spirits and we forgot what a new OS was suppose to look like and .NET was sparking up bringing us things we could live without, ie exponentially long updates and Paint .NET lol.

Along comes 2010; a new decade to usher in Windows 7 and a sigh of relief so strong we now had time to enjoy our gaming rigs, Xbox, and Playstation.. oh but wait what.. PSN got hacked in April 2011 as fanboys were lauding the Red Ring of Death of the xbox in the death throws of their own Yellow Ring of Death.

I could continue to do a Thurrott type 21st centu-sec take, but like him it’s too tiresome and you have your own stories to share of this Microsoft commercial liability.

Just don’t forget it was a hedge fund manager David Einhorn that sank Microsoft as an asset for the common user and made it ones liability, cause his job is to look after the investors’ money, and they wanted more Bing Hits and “blue sky” Cloud services with all the Rainbows, Unicorns and cotton candy you could leak.

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Once again, MS has over-promised, under-delivered and is being deceptive about the facts… Sadly, there’s no news in that.

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@ anonymous#107490

Like they say, “Pride comes before a fall”.

Pride “infected” M$ after they had out-muscled Apple MacOS and achieved a market-monopoly with Windows XP and Windows 7 during the late 2000s.
Remember the fierce competition between Apple and M$, and Apple’s lawsuit against M$ during the 1990s. If M$ had lost the lawsuit, things would have turned out quite differently today.

Hence, the pride and arrogance of M$ began when they ignored customer-feedback and dished out Windows 8 and half-mobile-half-desktop Metro Tiles in 2012 = “It’s my way or the highway”. This continued with Windows 10 and mandatory/forced-fed features in 2015.

Only another desktop OS that is supported by a tech giant will be able to dethrone M$ and put them in their place, like how Google’s Android mobile OS have out-muscled M$’s Windows Mobile OS and Apple’s mobile iOS.

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Reading Paul Thorott’s comments on a daily basis I get the distinct impression he is not a 100% on board with all things “Creators” and I have to admit I do concur. My first impessions of the new incarnation, is do I remove the new apps via Powershell or leave them? XBOX is obviously a clear target for the old P.S. assasination as well as some of the other “fluff” in there. Well for now the new Apps remain as I never know if in a moment of unlikely Boredom I may feel the old “creative juices” stir.
It seems that this “BallyHoo” about new editions is to be a twice yearly thing. Mercifully with every new edition I have been spared the problems that seem to dog other users. The ability to stymie the forced update production line to a limited extent is a welcome change, as is the, apparent, ability to mollify users concerns on Privacy issues. The jury’s still out here as to the impending legislation in the EEC or the outrage expressed, not only in here, but on other “Tech” websites has modified M$’s stance on this issue. I would have to say in the lucrative business of “Data Mining” the temptations of the cash for data harvested from an essentially free OS as Win10 is too tempting a target to pass up and the fact we have these controls now may only be “Window dressing” giving the veneer of Privacy while actually its Business as usual behind the scenes.
It could well be that this twice yearly Incarnation of the Win10 (freebie as a service) is designed more to give the impression thats there’s more to come and “please dont jump ship” yet. They must have well been feeling the pressure from new and upcoming pretenders to the throne lurking in the wings. This Bi-annual lurch in to the unknown isnt exactly a boon for Business either traditionally the “Bread & Butter” of M$’s revenue stream, has according to Greg Kriezer, been languishing back a version or two not only because of cost but basically loss of productivity and no “cast Iron Guarantee’s that it will work first time every time, I believe the “buzz” phrase is “seamlessly”.
As an aside when encountering a defect on XP, if connected, I would religously send the reports when prompted to do so. After, what? 13 years, countless updates (must be pushing well over the 500 mark) of XP still the same faults on different machines year in year out right up to the bitter end.
So may be you’ll forgive my sarcasm as to M$ needs to get your basic telemetry to fix things because they simply dont. Which inevitably leads to the conclusion that feedback aka Telemetry is nothing more than a Harvesting Operation. The issuance of colourful half truths masquerading as advertising can only serve to obviscate the issues that some users are having and continuing to have. Cold comfort if your staring in to the abyss of a BSOD, good news if your an insider rather than the cold blue you can get an enviromently friendly Green.

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Do you think that the copy of Windows 10 that comes on your new PC is free? I doubt it, but would like to be corrected if wrong.

CT

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Perhaps that is true, as seen the manufacturers of machines are willing to go “1 Microsoft Way”. Maybe everybody is paying a sliver of the purchase price of their new shiny rigs towards a license fee.

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Well the interesting thing is I see less and less options for PC operating systems anymore. Even looking for a PC with Linux you’ll find very little Linux and the only option sometimes in business PC is Chrome OS. Another company that has clout is Google. I find it curious that the advertised option for a business OS is Chrome OS and not Linux? Most PC makers don’t even mention any options for consumer grade PC’s other than Windows 10 Home. Its very obvious Microsoft has clout with PC makers and is pushing hard on Windows 10. While many PC makers pushed back on Windows 8, they seem very compliant about Windows 10?

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Microsoft marketing types conjured up the death of PCs back in the days of Windows 8 being created as a mobile OS. The fact was that Win8 was such a disaster. What really what happened is people went to their local WorstBuy store, looked at Win8 system and decided that an iPad made more sense. That was the beginning of the end of Windows.

Then the Microsoft marketing types emotionally announced that Win8 was such a disaster that they were going to create something totally new. So new, that they were dumping Windows 9. Then, fact is, they made relatively minor changes to Win8, creating Win10. Same scenario at the local WorstBuy.

Now, the PC really is dying.

The vast majority of my 150 Win7 client computers are being used at about 25% of the rate they were a few years ago, because they all have iPads now and really like them. PCs are used only when the iPad is not very good at what they want to do. Result is their PCs will last much longer.

None of them (yes I mean none) are interested in Win10, and they all regard their current Win7 system as the last computer they will ever own. They are into smart phones and pads now.

So, the Microsoft marketing types have actually reaped what they had sown. The death of the PC.

Meantime, Microsoft’s attempts to get into the communications field have totally flopped or they totally messed it up.

Meantime, Win10 is basically designed for the smart phone and it does not exist on any smart phone.

Look what they have created!!!!

Microsoft is at the beginning of the end and the execs are extracting the flesh of the beast while he is still living.

CT

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Canadian Tech wrote:

The vast majority of my 150 Win7 client computers are being used at about 25% of the rate they were a few years ago, because they all have iPads now and really like them. PCs are used only when the iPad is not very good at what they want to do. Result is their PCs will last much longer. None of them (yes I mean none) are interested in Win10, and they all regard their current Win7 system as the last computer they will ever own. They are into smart phones and pads now.

These are home users, right? I cannot imagine enterprise users doing their work on an iPad…

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That is correct. You do realize that the consumer market has been about 50% of the PC marketplace?

CT

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BobbyB wrote:

It could well be that this twice yearly Incarnation of the Win10 (freebie as a service) is designed more to give the impression thats there’s more to come and “please dont jump ship” yet.

This! I haven’t thought about it that way but it seems like a reasonable explanation.

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This reminds me of how other consumer products used the “new and improved” marketing ploy to re invigorate sales. When in fact we know most products never really improve that much. But it gives them a reason to market the new and improved message.
If you put a average user in front of a PC with Anniversary edition and then with Creator. Do you really think many will notice much of a difference?

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I completely agree, Paul does seem to drink the Koolaid only when he feels its justified. I read his columns and listen to Windows weekly sometimes and find Paul is gracious in being negative about Microsoft. But clearly isn’t as hyped up about Creator and some. His enthusiasm seems muted because he did not see the clarity on privacy or improvements he thought most users wanted.
Obviously Creator is a improvement for Windows 10 in general, but is not much more than a new coat of paint over a bad paint job to begin with.

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This video has not squashed the spamming of the “likes” sprite on Utube, nor the comments. I guess it memorable (memorabilia) of the Windows for Workgroups days browsing TuCows for the latest freeware (my generation).  Today it’s apps on ones droid/pod/metro.

Only good thing I testify to is lager VGA capable displays, and the prolific on-boarding of DIY out of employment trends.

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Woody wrote (in the original post):

“Hard to imagine Microsoft can pack so much deceit into an 8 second clip.”

They’ve had a lot of practice, and they’ve gotten quite good at it.

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Microsoft made a conscious decision to change how it does business in the last couple years. We are constantly seeing proof of this in how it markets and supports products. In case anyone has been sleep in a cave Microsoft is absolutely determined to make you run Windows 10 no matter what. They certainly have pulled out all the possible deceitful marketing and tricks to get a user into Windows 10. My own opinion is that Microsoft is doing themselves more harm than good with these tactics.

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