Usage Stats: Win10 up, Win7 up, XP holding; Chrome up, IE + Edge down

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What’s going on here? InfoWorld Woody on Windows
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“The caravan goes by, dogs bark” (translated from French). The caravan seems to be Google Chrome, making its way when others slip, pause, take their breath, run again and… bark.

I’m a Firefox user and need to say Mozilla loosing ground isn’t good news. Anyway, facts are neutral (their analysis are sometimes less), but I agree with Woody’s takeaway over at InfoWorld. I do hope as mentioned there as well that “Microsoft is running out of tricks”, maybe because as all those reluctant to get pushed (you mean forced? I do) towards Win10 need a break.

Coffee?

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I have not read the original source
(because my I.E. security/blocking measures are not letting me move around on that site to anywhere but the one “Desktop Browser” page that Woody’s link originally takes one to),
but maybe Win 7 usage went up because

– Some people who had switched from Win 7 to Win 10 in the last year decided to return to Win 7 during the study’s time period?

– Some people who have seen what is going on have bought up the few new Win 7 computers that were still available to buy (or the Win 8 ones that would allow one to go back to Win 7)?

– Some people and organizations who like stability are moving from XP finally, to Win 7?

– As promoted here, some people may have moved temporarily to Win 10 recently in order to pick up their “free” reservation before the end of the “free” offer, and then swiftly rolled back to Win 7, perhaps resulting in double-counting of those people (counting them as a new Win 10 installation AND a new Win 7 installation in the same time period)?

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It doesn’t seem to me that I.E. is dying “quickly”, but is gradually losing market share.
Going from 53% last July to 38% now, it’s lost about 1.5% a month and it looks pretty gradual over that time period.
Also, the more people who decide to stay with (or return to) Windows 7, the more people, probably, who will be involved in using I.E. 11 in some fashion.

A 39% market share is still pretty big.

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Those stats appear to be just for desktops, which are probably becoming less and less representative of consumer devices and behaviors. Do they also look at what is going on with laptop computers?

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Net Applications separates desktops (which includes laptops) and mobile (iOS and Android based). The distinctions are getting fuzzier.

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Oh, okay, I didn’t realize they included laptops in their “desktop” category.

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I just purchased a new Dell computer with Windows 7 Pro, in part because of Microsoft’s strong-arm tactics:
* I knew that time was running out on getting a pre-Skylake processor. (Seems rather convenient that MS selected this time to force the Skylake issue — there weren’t many Broadwell chips made, so you have to go back two generations rather than one and get a Haswell chip to avoid the Skylake issue.)
* I don’t like the telemetry spying of Windows 10.
* I happen to like Windows 7 the best.

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When (if, a BIG IF) the Win10 forced upgrades cease, the stats should clear up a little (hopefully).

Those who have been forced upgraded from Win7 & 8.1, who have since rolled back because they don’t want it or it doesn’t work, will be counted among the earlier OSs again since they will not be active on the Internet with Win10.

Same for those who have “foolishly” reserved a “free” copy of Win10 and immediately gone back to previous OSs. I say “foolishly” because they are probably reserving a copy of Win10 for old hardware most likely not designed for it. And the digital entitlement is ONLY for that one old machine, not for any other machine they want to put it on. If they want to upgrade the old systems (want Win10 NOW), they should backup then upgrade NOW and see if it’s going to work under fire. If they don’t want Win10 NOW, buy a new computer that was designed for it when the time comes.

If Microsoft REALLY starts charging for Win10, the main source of usage increase seen on the Internet will be from new computers/devices with Win10 installed. The number of build-it-yourselfers out there is negligible, and who’s going to PAY to put Win10 on an old computer?

The statistics should return to reality. But what is left from this exercise is a loss of trust and a bad taste in everyone’s mouth for Microsoft. And in the end, that just may come back to bite them!

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Woody, off topic: have you seen this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/01/windows_10_nagware_no_way_out/

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I think I covered the important parts of this in http://www.infoworld.com/article/3075480/microsoft-windows/microsofts-get-windows-10-app-kb-3035583-re-appears-for-no-reason.html

Maybe I should regroup and publish an overview. There’s a lot of misinformation floating around.

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Yeah. Both Net Applications and Stat Counter came up with different counting methods years ago, and they haven’t changed them to account for the new technology. Have to cut them some slack though – I don’t have any idea how to reasonably distinguish mobile from non-mobile from phone from tablet.

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I just did the ‘exact’ same thing for the same reasons. Dell, W7 Pro and Haswell. Should be here Friday. It even has a WX Pro license that I’ll use in 4 years, maybe. 😉

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Well said, PkCano……… my thoughts exactly!

Re Win7 .. I noticed on Acers website that they are still offering Travelmates with Win7Pro. and guess alot of companies are doing the same as per the others comments on this page.
Also I have switched to Chrome, as per Woodys thoughts…….. but it’s the SRWare Iron which packs alot more security with it. It’s out of Germany.
http://www.srware.net/en/software.php ..and for those who are not happy with the snooping I found a site that went through the settings in various browsers so that these can been minimized http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/how-harden-your-browser-against-malware-and-privacy-concerns.htm
Again – my 2 bits! LT

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>who’s going to PAY to put Win10 on an old computer?

I would, if the OS actually brought VALUE.

I always have paid for Windows versions in the past with the older versions, as I tend to run high-end hardware, which is worth keeping up to date (but not necessarily in lock step w/regard to hardware vs. software).

As it is RIGHT NOW, since Microsoft hasn’t embraced serious computing (yet?) with Windows 10, the return on investment EVEN AT $0.00 is negative.

As a professional small businessman who needs a very good computer for engineering work, I’d even pay extra for an Ultimate edition that had the features of Enterprise, which isn’t feasibly available to very small businesses.

When one considers the mass market, I’m probably the exception – certainly not the rule.

-Noel

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P.S., the OSs I’ve been through:

XP Pro
XP x64 Pro
Vista x64 Ultimate
Win 7 x64 Ultimate
Win 8.1 x64 Pro

8.1 would have been ultimate too if there was such an edition.

Microsoft seems to think small business should be satisfied with what is now essentially “Windows Home Plus”.

The only saving grace is that with tweaking and augmentation with 3rd party software Windows Pro CAN be fully muzzled. But it would still be better for Microsoft to provide the OS out of the box that I need.

-Noel

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You are an exception. You buy high-end and are technically oriented.

Joe Public (in my experience) doesn’t usually buy high-end equipment. The hardware of the average Joe Public Win7 computer is 6-8 years old. And Joe Public doesn’t know about much about downloading or upgrading or settings or hardware drivers or program compatibility. As an average, they are just Users of the default-settings installation. If Win10 is not forced on them, they might PAY a Tech to do it for them, but rarely pay-and-do-it-yourself.

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Heck, I’ve got a Samsung notebook. Haven’t seen any warnings on their website. Maybe it is just for the British? Or it’s just a rumor? It’s good that I didn’t upgrade to Windows 10.

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Why is firefox STILL lacking basic browser sandboxing? IE has had it since IE7 on vista!

Render everything you can in a reduced integrity mode:

low integrity mode (available with IE 7-11 on Vista-10, enabled by default)

untrusted integrity mode (used only by chrome)

appcontainer integrity mode (available with IE11 8.1-10, off by default)

64-bit mode (available with IE11, Windows 7-10, off by default)

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What’s WX? I looked at Dell (who I generally like) recently for someone, we only found a single suitable laptop. Procrastination (~1 month) occurred and we looked again, we found a similar laptop, slower, also a non-premium hard drive (smaller too), $100 off coupon expired, and it was another $120 more expensive beyond that. OS downgrade rights poorly described (still not clear).

If it was a desktop, easy build a good one, buy the OS. Don’t know of any good “build it yourself laptop kits”.

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They tried to sell Win 8 upgrades at $10 each, didn’t work. Now windows 10 is free… How much will they pay me to run windows 11?

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How did you folks manage to find a Non-Skylake system at Dell? Each of the three different reps that I dealt with on the phone was a moron who didn’t even understand the issue.

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Wasn’t happy to do it, but I finally uninstalled Firefox proper for good, in favor of a couple of different Mozilla variants which do not assume I’m a computer-illiterate infant and insist on breaking things left and right ‘for my protection.’

The Mozilla developers haven’t cared what their users think or want for years, and I’ve come to the conclusion that they lack the cognitive ability to understand why they’re losing market share. This is what happens when users are fed a steady stream of crap they didn’t ask for, while having features and fixes they DID want ignored, or worse, routinely yanked out from under them.

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WX= Win 10? Those Roman numeral things.

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Go to the business website. They’re there. 4th gen small screens. 5th gen up to 15″ i5 some i7.
There’s always the business outlet. Hit or miss there.

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