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    Microsoft moves to new Windows development cycle with major release every three years, feature drops in between

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    After spending the better part of a decade inflicting multiple Windows version updates every year, it sounds like Microsoft is finally coming back somewhat to its senses and reinstituting the three-year release policy that reigned from Vista (2006) to the launch of Windows 10 (2015).

    According to my sources who are familiar with these plans, Microsoft now intends to ship “major” versions of the Windows client every three years, with the next release currently scheduled for 2024, three years after Windows 11 shipped in 2021.

    However, the coast is not clear for those of us who value stability in an OS over involuntary tinkering:

    Starting with Windows 11 version 22H2 (Sun Valley 2), Microsoft is kicking off a new “Moments” engineering effort which is designed to allow the company to rollout new features and experiences at key points throughout the year, outside of major OS releases. I hear the company intends to ship new features to the in-market version of Windows every few months, up to four times a year, starting in 2023.

    “Moments” indeed–moments of anxiety as the new features (which doubtless there will be no built-in way to decline) eventually get installed… and perhaps also moments of relief as the installations happen to go off without further drama.

     

    • This topic was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by Cybertooth.
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      Another desirable future feature of Windows-to-come:
      No more monthly deluges of patches. (Not counting those specific to particular brand-name machines, e.g. Lenovo problems with Windows, etc.)

      Question:

      Why a deluge every month in Windows and not in Macs, for example, where we may get an incremental update, mostly to fix a few vulnerabilities and a few bugs, every several months?

      (And, by the way, only once in the over five years I have had mine, one of the patches was taken back by Apple, after it created login and other problems.)

      Other than that, that I have noticed in all those years, Macs, by and large, have not been bricked, or attacked with zero-days, or often suffered from the Mac’s equivalent of a BSOD.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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        Why a deluge every month in Windows and not in Macs, for example, where we may get an incremental update, mostly to fix a few vulnerabilities and a few bugs, every several months?

        Apple releases multiple security updates every month:

        Apple security updates

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      Another desirable future feature of Windows-to-come: No more monthly deluges of patches.


      @OscarCP
      , is that a hope you’re expressing… or a prediction? I don’t remember seeing news to that effect (which, however,would be most welcome if it did come to pass!).

      Regarding your question about the amount of patches for Macs vs. Windows, I don’t have any specific knowledge but I would speculate that maybe Apple does a better job of catching bugs and vulnerabilities before they get distributed to their customers?

       

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        Cybertooth: “is that a hope you’re expressing… or a prediction?

        Just a personal wish. If I were to consider using Windows again, first I would like to be sure that I’ll be spared the monthly, and even bi-monthly drama of getting iffy patches and figuring out what to do about them.

        Having all those OS patches does not seem to be a Universal Law of Nature, at least considering how my own experience with Windows compares with that with macOS.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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      There is a simple reason that Apple has fewer software problems than Microsoft…Hardware. Apple controls the hardware platform Microsoft does not.
      The corollaries in life are endless so I won’t bore you with them.

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

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        Retired Geek: “There is a simple reason that Apple has fewer software problems than Microsoft…Hardware. Apple controls the hardware platform Microsoft does not.

        No, that’s not it.

        Actually, the issue here is not the problems caused by hardware diversity, it is about all the hardware-unspecific patches. Yes, a few patches are specific to some PC brand models (I mentioned that already) and a few are about zero-days, and these are both few and quite understandable.

        But all the other patches? Those are for all Windows PCs, regardless of make or model. MS Windows is a gigantic equal opportunity fountain of patches. One punctually spouting every month such a volume of patches that it easily leaves far behind in the dust of oblivion the famous Water Jet in Lake Geneva. But unlike the latter, this one tends to create bizarre problems.

        Why?

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2483859

      Windows 12 start menu icon geometry and logo?
      kinda make sense to me…

      Windows101112

      Windows - commercial by definition and now function...
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