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AskWoody LoungerNo the problem has not been resolved. I have been in contact with outlook.com and they are wondering if askwoody.com is getting bounced-back emails or getting an error message when trying to send a email to me? Can you find that information so I can reply back to them? You can read the conversation on answers.microsoft.com
I know that I get email notifications when using Gmail.com email service.
Thanks for the help,
Sparky
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AskWoody LoungerThat poses a question;
After looking at those numbers, is it still feasible to buy a machine with W7 on it or take the dive and go with W10? That is if they are still making machines with W7.
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AskWoody LoungerOctober 31, 2017 at 6:46 pm in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Watch out for .NET and Office patches, but get caught up #142557Typo correction on previous post: It should read “I don’t know if you saw this Reply” it …
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AskWoody LoungerOctober 31, 2017 at 12:18 pm in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Watch out for .NET and Office patches, but get caught up #142382I don’t if you saw this Reply it describes a black screen problem after I installed, 2017-09 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4041083). Could the known issues in the September 2017 .NET Framework patch have cause the black screen problem?
2nd time booting since installing patches, so far the computer is still booting normal.
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AskWoody LoungerOctober 30, 2017 at 10:12 pm in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Watch out for .NET and Office patches, but get caught up #142207I always have WU set on “Never check for updates (not recommended)”. I found out, in a round about way, that every time I shut down my computer and boot it back-up, I would lose my hidden update list. I figured out that if I “Checked for updates” in WU the hidden update list would repopulate. I think the “Never check for updates (not recommended)” setting is the the only setting that erases your hidden update list after shutting down your computer. (At least in the “Restore hidden updates” control panel window). Now according to MrBrian they are stored in a file called DataStore.edb. I found the file but I’m not smart enough to know how to open it.
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HP, W7 Home Premium, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A
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AskWoody LoungerOctober 30, 2017 at 9:14 pm in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Watch out for .NET and Office patches, but get caught up #142194This might not apply to everyone when installing the below patches. I kinda have a Franken computer (more here). Nothing the less it keeps rebounding after I think it is ready to fail.
Patches were install in this order, one at a time.
1. Installed Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB2553338) 32-Bit Edition. Installed successful. No restart required. Shows in update history but not in installed updates.2. Installed 2017-09 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4041083). Restart required. Black screen after restart, hear w7 boot up sound. Shutdown via alt+f4, Pushed power button, splash screen then black screen again. Shutdown via power button, pushed power button, Windows Error Recovery Screen appears “Start Windows normally” highlighted, pushed enter, booted normal. KB4041083 shows in update history and Under .NET framework 4.6.1 in installed updates. Under MS windows in installed updates Kb4040980 & KB4019990 were installed, both don’t show in update history.
3. Installed 2017-10 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4043766). Restart required. Booted normal. KB4043766 shows in update history not in installed updates. Under .NET framework 4.6.1 in installed updates KB4041083 is now gone and replaced with KB4043764 & KB4040973, both don’t show in update history.
4. Installed 2017-10 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4041681). Restart required. Booted normal. Shows in update history and under Under MS windows in installed updates.
Computer seems to be functioning correctly. It might be time to give this computer the boot if this black screen boot problem persists. This is the 2nd time this happened when patching in the last three months. I’m batting 2 out of 3.
Thanks for the help MrBrian,
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AskWoody LoungerOctober 28, 2017 at 11:03 pm in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Watch out for .NET and Office patches, but get caught up #141529MrBrian,
Thanks for the info on KB4041083 being fixed.
Just to clarify to see if I’m doing this correctly. I always have WU set on “Never check for updates (not recommended)”. When Woody says its time to get patched, I have WU check for updates. When WU is done checking, I hide everything unless its a MSE definition. Then I go to askwoody.com to figure out what patches are safe to install. After installing, I have WU keep checking until there are no more patches to install.
This month I’ve concluded that these patches need to be installed; 2017-10 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4041681), 2017-09 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4041083), 2017-10 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4043766). Is this correct?
This one I’m not to sure of: Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB2553338) 32-Bit Edition. The only MS Office I have is MS Office Starter 2010, Click-to-Run. It is set to auto update. That is why I’m not sure if (KB2553338) should be installed.
Any help appreciated.
The real reason I put up with this mumbo jumbo is because one time WU installed a driver update which [mess]ed up everything and Microsoft tried to force feed me W10.
OS W7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit, Group A groupie
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AskWoody LoungerOctober 28, 2017 at 4:43 pm in reply to: MS-DEFCON 4: Watch out for .NET and Office patches, but get caught up #141469Due to some reported problems last month, I did not install KB4041083 (September 12). My WU is still showing that update, not KB4043766 which I thought was the latest .NET update. Any idea why KB4043766 isn’t there? – Marty
The 2017-09 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET (KB4041083) is labelled “Important” because it includes security updates. 2017-10 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET (KB4043766) is “Optional” but “Recommended” because it contains no new security fixes, only bug fixes, and only for .NET 4.7. If, like me, you are running .NET 4.6, you’ll want to install KB4041083 and can safely skip KB4043766.
I thought that KB4041083 had a problem and not to install it and to install just the security update that applied to what version of .Net framework that is installed on your computer.
So that is what I did. Now your saying KB4041083 is safe to install, is this correct.?
I’m showing both KB4041083 and KB4043766 in hidden updates.Dell, W10 Professional, 64-bit, Intel Core i7 Quad, Group A
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AskWoody LoungerSir, You’re Internet Service Provider records indicate that you have been visiting the askwoody.com website on a regular basis. Trying to gain knowledge on how to prevent data acquisition of how you use your computer. What are you trying to hide?
I have nothing to hide, I just like to close my window shades at night when I’m changing into my pajamas. Why, because no society can survive when nothings private.
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AskWoody LoungerAs to my above reply: That time it showed. When the 1st reply didn’t show I thought I mistakenly clicked cancel instead of submit. So had to type the reply again. I have other replies in other forums on this site, that must of been sent to the spamfilter. Thanks for deleting the duplicates. Trying to fix one problem and another shows up is like sticking needles in your eyes. OK, maybe not that bad.
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AskWoody LoungerFor some reason after clicking the Submit button the reply I typed does not show. This is getting weirder by the moment.
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AskWoody LoungerReply not working? I tried to submit a reply but it did not show in the thread. I tried twice, this will be #4 with no success. “Houston, We have a problem”
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AskWoody LoungerThat fixed the problem, I’m now being notified using Gmail.com email service. Previously I was using hotmail.com web-based email service. Do you have any suggestions as to the reason why hotmail.com is not allowing askwoody.com notifications. I believe I looked at every possible junk email blocking filter. Is there someone at Microsoft that I contact to address this issue?
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AskWoody LoungerWell I just changed my email (using a different platform) we’ll see what happens.
Also at the same time lost my Avatar. I have not updated the email on Gravatar.
At the testing stage at the moment.Dell, W10 Professional, 64-bit, Intel Core i7 Quad, Group A
HP, W7 Home Premium, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A
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AskWoody LoungerHi @Kirsty I did not receive a email notification from your reply and PKCano’s reply. I checked my email blocked list and there is no email addresses on the list. The last time I received a notification was 9-7-17. Since then there have been many replies to the threads I’m subscribed to. As of this reply I also added noreply@askwoody.com to my safe senders list. I don’t know if the problem is this sites notification system or if my email account is somehow blocking the notifications, which I don’t think it is. Head Scratcher.
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