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    I installed 8.1 preview ON TOP OF 8.0 final preview in an updated VirtualBox on a I7 based 16gb desktop (home grown). Very little survived, but it did warn me. I did have a big problem that it kept refusing to install because of some ‘feature’ missing from the VB environment, and eventually learned how to command VB to fix the problem. The one thing I couldn’t do was to get the latest extension pack installed; that’s a bit of a pain, so any suggestions greatly appreciated. Like as to how to download it and install it.

    As to 8.1 itself, I was baffled that 1. the really annoying ‘curtain’ still needs to be pulled up to login, 2. that the ‘restored’ ‘start’ button only takes you back to the chimp designed and oriented childlike MUTRo screen. You’d click on the desktop, it would come up, you’d click on the ORB hoping for a menu and MUTRO would come back. Needless to say, I quickly re installed one of the Win 7 menu restore tools. Of course, MS truly did not fix what so many of us complained about, so I’ll be in no hurry to install V8.1 either.

    One oddity; during the Win 8 installation, something in Virtual Box and / or Windows was absolutely pegging the cpu and ram, eventually crashing the box, even though total use of ram and cpu was limited. I’d love to figure out what happened; anyone have any idea?

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    • #1400028

      I installed 8.1 right over 8.0 and all my settings and apps were unaffected. (I backed up my 8.0 with Acronis True Image.) Only bug was I now had to enter a password to log in … the bypass I used for Win 8 didn’t work for 8.1 but I got the solution here, thanks to some knowledgable people.

      • #1402241

        I installed 8.1 right over 8.0 and all my settings and apps were unaffected. (I backed up my 8.0 with Acronis True Image.) Only bug was I now had to enter a password to log in … the bypass I used for Win 8 didn’t work for 8.1 but I got the solution here, thanks to some knowledgable people.

        I am confused about this. I have 64-bit Windows 8 Pro on my computer. I thought that I had previously read that if I wanted to install the 8.1 preview, I would have to basically wipe Windows 8 and start from scratch. This user seems to indicate that this is not true, and that it will upgrade the Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 preview and keep all of the apps and settings intact. If this is so, then in the fall when final Windows 8.1 is released, would I then have to re-install my Windows 8 Pro before updating to the final 8.1?

      • #1405761

        What ‘bypass’ did you use for Win8? I’m still unable to bypass the log-in screen. Any help would be appreciated.

        Jerry

    • #1400035

      BTW, I got the extensions working by manually running the installer inside Windows.

      I’m guessing that the reason I lost apps and MOST settings was that installing the new preview over the old preview had its limitations. I could have just created a new virtual pc, but wanted to see what would happen.

      In the meantime, a bit more info. I’m running IE11, and it seems OK, but Chrome runs very well. SmartDefrag looks fine. Windows Update was very, very fast with a pile of updates. That seems like a big improvement. I also installed SystemMonitor (MOO0) and it’s fine, along with Office Libre. QuickLaunch bar still sets up and works nicely. My biggest complaint re doing this in VB is that I can’t get a window size I like.

      My big complaints are mostly already stated. That horribly stupid curtain you have to try to drag and lift out of the way. The (I guess they are called charms – I call them annoying) things that SOMETIMES pop up when my mouse is towards the right. It seems very random. At least with Classic Start I can find most programs quickly and easily. I do like that with the right settings plus CS I don’t have to look at the chimp and toddler oriented ‘gui’. I haven’t reinstalled printer drivers yet; hopefully that will be easy.

      I saw no real improvements (other then bypassing the tiles screen). I do understand that most of them are not obvious. It is a shame though that MS refused to listen to all the complaints and allow people a real choice of gui style. That is all that was needed to win over huge numbers of IT pros that are heavily resisting 8. A bank I’m working for now (several month contract) is just now migrating to Win 7, and has not the slightest interest in 8. What I don’t get is how MS could be so oblivious. They may just destroy the PC market as a result. Of course, it’s still not too late, if they listen to the remarks on 8.1 and realize how angry people still are, they might just salvage the holiday season. But I doubt it. In the meantime, I may soon buy another laptop, and I’m struggling to find one that is well equipped that comes with 7. HP no longer has a 17 incher, for instance, with acceptable graphics. And what they do sell is old. On Dell I also found nothing. Only the firms selling totally customized laptops seem to still have a choice.

    • #1401281

      How is 8.1 installed? I’d like to get it.

      • #1401284

        Download the .iso file from Microsoft’s site.

        • #1401286

          Download the .iso file from Microsoft’s site.

          Is that how it will be when the final version comes out? I don’t want a beta version.

    • #1401288

      The final version is supposed to be offered as an update through the Windows 8 Store.

      Joe

      --Joe

      • #1401291

        The final version is supposed to be offered as an update through the Windows 8 Store.

        Joe

        So it’s not a service pack?

    • #1401319

      No, Kala, it is not a Service Pack. It will be pushed out as an Automatic Windows Update around the end of this summer. You can DL the Preview, now, though; Get it here, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows-8/preview

      The Preview is only to be run on a spare box, as a VM or as a dual-boot. Do not replace your Windows 8 w/ the beta Preview.

      Cheers,
      Drew
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      Since I don’t have a VM, I’ll have to wait.:(

    • #1401326

      No, you don’t have to wait. Backup your present Win 8 entire system with something like Acronis True Image. Then instal 8.1 directly over 8. That’s what I did.

    • #1401361

      I tried to install over win 8 and after the download and installation I got the message to reboot. After the reboot and the fish warmed up nothing appeared. After about 15 minutes I did a hard shut down. Upon restarting Windows 8 appeared along with the message that 8.1 couldn’t be installed and my machine was restored to 8. Very happy with this outcome as I did not have to restore an image.
      This is an older 32 bit laptop (@ 7 yrs old) that runs Win 8 very well so I expected it to handle 8.1.
      Already have 8.1 in a separate partition on my desktop so I guess I’m done experimenting.
      Has anyone else had this problem?

      Rich

    • #1401367

      Do not install the beta 8.1 on top of Windows 8!

      Kala,

      One does not have a VM (virtual machine), one creates a VM in Hyper-V. Anyone can have 1, just by simply building one in Hyper-V. That is how I am running Windows 8.1 🙂

      Cheers,
      Drew
      .1

      I’m guessing you need Windows 8 pro for that? I can’t find it on my computer.:confused:

    • #1401395

      Windows 8 x64 has Hyper-V …

      Windows 8 Pro x64 has Hyper-V. Windows 8 x64 does not: Windows 8 Editions

      It not a matter of what version of Windows 8…

      Only Pro or Enterprise, but not any 32-bit edition.

      Bruce

    • #1401398

      I’m guessing you need Windows 8 pro for that? I can’t find it on my computer.:confused:

      Yes.

    • #1401405

      That’s correct. Do you not have Pro?

      I’m guessing you need Windows 8 pro for that? I can’t find it on my computer.

      Seems pretty obvious.

    • #1401407

      Only Pro or Enterprise, but not any 32-bit edition.

      Bruce,
      I just enabled Hyper-V on my 32bit Win 8 Pro.
      Will try to set up a virtual machine later today. Have to assume it will work as it shows as available.

      Rich

      • #1401416

        I just enabled Hyper-V on my 32bit Win 8 Pro.
        Will try to set up a virtual machine later today. Have to assume it will work as it shows as available.

        Seems most unlikely: Hyper V on Windows 8 32 bit

        Bruce

    • #1401409

      Drew,
      New machines sold with Win 8 do not have the pro edition installed so it is quickly becoming common.
      Kala’s statement tells me it is not the pro edition. Seems obvious to me at least.

      Rich

    • #1401414

      Ok, thanks, Rich. I, actually, thought non-Pro Windows 8 was rare. Thanks for the info.

      Drew

      I just have Windows 8, don’t have pro.

    • #1401590

      Bruce and Drew,
      You’re correct. When I enabled Hyper-V on my x86 laptop it installed the Hyper-V Connection Manager which allows me to “create, configure and manage the virtualization machines on a virtualization server.”
      As I’ve already created a partition on my desktop and installed 8.1 I have no need to use it as a virtualization server. Just wanted to fool around with Hyper-V a bit. No real use for it.

      Rich

    • #1401623

      Drew,
      From the info I read on the Hyper-V Connection Manager I understood virtualization server to be any machine I could connect to, such as my x64 desktop, that could create a vm. If I connected to the desktop from the laptop I could create it from there. The desktop would be listed as a server. If I created a vm from the desktop it would be the local host.
      I’d be interested in looking at your tutorial for future reference but as it is I am comfortable creating partitions for betas as I have the space.

      Thanks,
      Rich

    • #1402257

      Microsoft states that 8.1 Preview is a dead end, so to speak. That there is no way of going back to 8 without reinstalling 8 and there won’t be any upgrade path from 8.1 Preview to 8.1 public release.

      Also, initially at least, Microsoft states that 8.1 public will only be released through the Store so it would require Win 8 be installed first to upgrade to 8.1 public. How soon standalone ISO releases of 8.1 might be available is unknown.

    • #1402264

      By creating a complete system Image of Win 8 prior to moving to Win 8.1 preview, Win 8 can be restored from the Image. This is the only way I am aware of restoring Win 8 after the Win 8.1 overwrites it short of a complete reinstallation.

      I actually did this myself and now am using my original Win 8. My download was corrupt and did not give a good running Win 8.1 so I tossed it. I might try again if I have time, but I might just wait until Win 8.1 is released.

    • #1402281

      Yep…I running Windows 8.1 in Hyper-V and with the last round of updates and it’s humming….and I really like it. The only issue/problem I see is the video playback, it seems to be glitchy at times.

    • #1402530

      Ah rats! You mean W8 64 bit (non-pro) does not have Hyper-V accessibility? Means I would have to get the “pro pack?” See, I am completely new to 8, more or less. Last night I just ordered a notebook because the deal was irresistible I got an ASUS X55C Notebook Intel Core i3 2370M(2.40GHz) 15.6″ 4GB Memory DDR3 1600 500GB HDD DVD+/-RW Intel GMA 3000 from Newegg for $259 final cost + tax, so I could learn this OS, and do some things away from my desktop.

      ***Edit note: I wonder… Just so happens I have 8 Pro 64 system builder upgrade on disc. Could I use that on that Asus?
      *** Edit note again… I’m going to move my Hyper-v question over to a new thread.
      That aside, please forgive my ignorance, but is there going to be a cost involved for 8.1 update?

    • #1405767

      IF, you are asking about bypassing the Start screen upon rare boot-ups, just put the Desktop Tile @ Top-left & then just click on it OR just, simply, hit ENTER.

      Is that necessary with the new “Go to the desktop instead of Start when I sign in” option in Windows 8.1?: How to boot to desktop mode in Windows 8.1

      Bruce

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