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I hope this is the right place to ask this:

I’m running the latest version of M-Bytes Premium that now protects against ransomeware etc.

I deleted Bitdefender free because M-Bytes says you no longer need an antivirus program when running M-Bytes.

Microsoft Defender has turned itself on because it says I need an anti-virus.

When Defender starts up at boot-time, I get a message from M-Bytes that some levels of protection have been stopped, and I need to start them.

Finally, my question:

How do I delete Defender from my Windows 7 SP1 system?

Thank you,
Dick

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Have a look at this How-To Geek article: How To Uninstall, Disable, and Remove Windows Defender

Hope this helps…

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I should check my assumption. We know how the word “assume” is spelled.

Is there any user out there who can confirm that they are running M-Bytes Premium 3.0 without using an additional anti-virus?

Thanks,
Dick

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M-Bytes says you no longer need an antivirus program when running M-Bytes

Do you have a link for this?

Is there any user out there who can confirm that they are running M-Bytes Premium 3.0 without using an additional anti-virus?

I’m more than happy to be corrected but a) I’ve never seen any advice that you don’t need an AV product if also running MB Premium and b) I would be hesitant to take MB’s word about this without third-party corroboration. Just my opinion…

I’m running MB Premium 2.2.1.1043 (lifetime licence which is supposed to include upgrades) and have just manually checked for updates from within MB. I can’t see any program update to a v3, even though ‘check for program updates’ is checked in the control panel

Hope this helps…

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Thanks Rick. That worked.

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http://securitygarden.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/malwarebytes-version-30-released.html

I uninstalled the older version and installed v3.0 but disabled the Premium trial under the My Account tab.

If you just run the free version then you don’t get the inclusive Anti-Ransomware or Exploit of Premium, but you can still install those separately if you want them.

Personally I’d be sceptical of just relying on the Premium version but others are relying on a lot less in earlier versions of Windows.

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Rick:
My version is 3.04. Here’s what it says on the main page: https://www.malwarebytes.com/
Dick

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Rick:
My version is 3.04. Here’s what it says on the main page: https://www.malwarebytes.com/
Dick

Ahh! I see what you mean now about no longer needing antivirus, according to MB. Hmm… I note that the 2 ‘Don’t take our word for it’ recommendations apparently come from users (with no links to check them), not anti-malware testing organisations. I think I’ll wait a bit…

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Hey Y’all,

I just downloaded and installed MB 3.04 and it recognized my lifetime license right off.

However, I keep getting this message at boot or restart.
46253-Malwarebytes-Real-Time

I’ve played with the delayed start options up to 30 seconds and still get the message.

However, if I just wait a few seconds then open MB it shows that all protections are enabled!

Once when I opened the task tray it showed a red exclamation point icon over the MB icon but that disappeared quickly also.

Now I’m looking for a way to prevent that annoying popup msg. in the notification area.

HTH :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

PowerShell & VBA Rule!
Computer Specs

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However, I keep getting this message at boot or restart.
46253-Malwarebytes-Real-Time

It’s a known issue – see 3rd bullet point which MB hope to have a fix for soon…

Hope this helps…

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Hey Y’all,

I just downloaded and installed MB 3.04 and it recognized my lifetime license right off.

However, I keep getting this message at boot or restart.
46253-Malwarebytes-Real-Time

I’ve played with the delayed start options up to 30 seconds and still get the message.

However, if I just wait a few seconds then open MB it shows that all protections are enabled!

Once when I opened the task tray it showed a red exclamation point icon over the MB icon but that disappeared quickly also.

Now I’m looking for a way to prevent that annoying popup msg. in the notification area.

Hi RetiredGeek,

I had the same problem and no amount of fiddling with settings seemed to help. I’m guessing that like me, you upgraded to the latest version of Malwarebytes 3.0.4 without uninstalling v2.x first?

I’ve been an avid user and supporter of Malwarebytes Premium Version 2 (formerly Malwarebytes Pro) for years. It’s always been an excellent product that runs alongside just about any Anti-Virus application without issues and has saved my (and many of my clients) hide many times from Malware and Virus infections. It seems to have an uncanny ability to pick up many things that Anti-Virus applications occasionally miss.

That said, when I got an email from them that suggested I upgrade to their latest version, i jumped on the chance, especially since I’ve owned a life-time license for a couple of years now that I purchased during a promotion.

Here’s part of an article I wrote on LinkedIn, both before and then updated after I finally resolved the problem while in contact with a Malwarebytes Support Tech..

I’ll try to just include the relevant “fix suggestion” bits for brevity.

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From: Malwarebytes Support

In order to address this error I want you to first uninstall the version of Malwarebytes that you have installed now

Then I want you to run our cleanup tool – http://downloads.malwarebytes.org/file/mbam_clean

Once you have run the clean-up tool I want you to restart of the computer <— This is very important!

Now I would like you to reinstall it once more please

https://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mbam

Then let me know how things are working for you

Regards,

xxxxxxx xxxxxxx – “xxxxxx xx” Customer Success Specialist & Malware Removal Specialist

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From Me to Malwarebytes Support

Hi xxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your support, however the problem persists. (See pic below and the attachment)

I followed your instructions to the letter in the following order;

1. I uninstalled Malwarebytes using the Program and Features tool in Windows Control Panel – It asked me to reboot my computer so I did.

2. After logging back in, I then ran “mbam-clean-2.3.0.1001.exe” which I had downloaded from your link. It suggested I restart my computer again so I did a reboot.

3. I installed “mb3-setup-consumer-3.0.4.1269.exe” after downloading it from the link you provided, allowed it to update its definitions, and did an initial Malwarebytes scan.

4. I then entered my License Details which were accepted and it then turned from a Trial to a full version of Malwarebytes Premium 3.0.4 with a Green Tick on the Dashboard screen and the words “Awesome! You’re protected”

5. I closed Malwarebytes Premium and restarted my computer once again just to be sure.

6. All was well for approximately 20 minutes and the the above Pop-Up appeared just like it had been doing before uninstalling and reinstalling the product.

7. While the Pop-Up was still there, I right clicked the Malwarebytes icon in the System Tray and noted that;

– Web Protection: On was ticked

– Exploit Protection: On was ticked

– Malware Protection: On was ticked

– Ransomware Protection: On was ticked

8. I then opened Malwarebytes Premium and noted that Real Time Protection was also On for all the four items listed above on the Dashboard screen.

Your suggested solution to the problem did not seem to work and the problem with the Pop-Ups persists.

My computer is a;

Windows Edition: Windows 7 Professional – Service Pack 1 – Fully Patched with all available Important Microsoft Window Updates

Model: Intel Corp DH67CL AAG10212-208

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40 GHz

Installed (RAM): 20.0 GB

System Type: 64 – bit Operating System

I have no other issues with the computer and had none before upgrading to Malwarebytes 3.0.4 Premium

Could you please suggest what else I can do to resolve this annoying problem?

My thanks and I look forward and hope to hear back from you soon.

Regards,

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From: Malwarebytes Support

Hello Andrew

Does it keep happening all the time or when you first start the computer?

Regards

xxxxxxx xxxxxxx – “xxxxxx xx” Customer Success Specialist & Malware Removal Specialist

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From Me to Malwarebytes Support

Hi Xxxxxxx,

To answer your question, the Pop-Up appeared on at least 4 occasions throughout the day (no reboots) after following your instructions of uninstalling and reinstalling the product.

That said however, the issue seems to have now resolved itself and I’ve yet to see the Pop-Up appear “unless” I reboot the computer, where it pops up once immediately after a restart. I dismiss the Pop-Up by clicking the “Turn on Now” button and now it doesn’t seem to re-occur during normal system use throughout the day anymore.

I have no idea why the behavior stopped as I’ve not installed or uninstalled anything else since re-installing Malwarebytes 3.0.4 per your instructions, nor done any other type of system maintenance or adjustments.

Curious.

Did you guys happen to send an update through that may have addressed the issue?

Anyway, all appears well now and I’ll continue to monitor the situation.

Thanks very much for your assistance.

Regards,

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From: Malwarebytes Support

Hello Andrew
.
If it is only happening now when you first start the computer then do the following
.
The protection is actually on but what happens is the pop-up pops up to fast – it is something that the developers know about and they are working on it.
What I would like you to do for now is to delay the protection on start-up by 15 seconds
1. open Malwarebytes
2. click on settings
3. go to the protection tab
4. scroll down till you see “Startup Options”
5. Set the “Delay Real-Time Protection When Malwarebytes Starts” to the “ON” Position
6. Next to “Delay Protection For” set it to 15 seconds
.
Restart the computer and let me know if you still get the popup
.
Regards,

xxxxxxx xxxxxxx – “xxxxxx xx” Customer Success Specialist & Malware Removal Specialist

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So there you have it. It’s been two days now and apart from Definition Updates, nothing seems to have been sent down as the version number is identical to when the problem began. Yet now it’s suddenly stopped on its own. (?)

A mystery for sure. The above solution “eventually” seemed to work for me, but I’ve no idea why.

Upgrading to Malwarebytes 3.x Premium is recommended, especially for the new Anti-Exploit and Anti-Ransomware modules included. If you experience the Pop-Up issue you can try the solution above, though I’d suggest taking a note of your Subscription License information, uninstalling your current v2.x version and doing a clean install to lessen the chances of your striking the same problem I did.

In a worst case scenario, at least if you do strike a problem, I’ve found Malwarebytes support to be genuinely helpful and prompt in their replies. For that they deserve my congratulations.

Side Note 1: I too hold a lifetime license for Malwarebytes Premium but I’d also purchased a one year subscription to their Anti-exploit product. When I first “upgraded” MB2.x to MB3.x it removed the Anti-Exploit product but took on the expiry date of Anti-Exploit in MB3.x – This however was easily fixed by entering my lifetime license details again after the complete uninstall and re-install or Malwarebytes 3.x

Side Note 2: What I forgot to mention to the Malwarebytes support tech is that after running his uninstall tool and rebooting the machine, I also ran Pirform’s CCleaner product with default values and rebooted a second time before re-installing MB3.x and rebooting one more time. I have no idea if this did anything useful at all because the pop-up still appeared after re-boot, just thought I’d include it for the sake of completeness.

My apologies for the length of this post.

Hope this helps and all the best..

Andrew

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I had the same problem… Hope this helps and all the best

Very thorough write-up. Thank you for taking the time to let us know.

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Very thorough write-up. Thank you for taking the time to let us know.

Many thanks for the comment Rick..

The problem frustrated me no end so I hope it might help someone else experiencing the same frustration resolve the issue before Malwarebytes Premium developers find the problem and fix it for good.

I just wish I could figure out why it suddenly decided to start behaving itself? I hate it when that happens!!

Cheers..

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RG:
That’s what led me to want to get rid of Defender. I’ve been having the same thing happen to me.

Dick

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I hope this is the right place to ask this:

I’m running the latest version of M-Bytes Premium that now protects against ransomeware etc.

I deleted Bitdefender free because M-Bytes says you no longer need an antivirus program when running M-Bytes.

I don’t buy into that advice for a second. I’ve been in the IT Support game for years and have seen first hand (many times) that no single anti-virus / anti-malware product will ever catch everything. I run Avast Internet Security alongside Malwarebytes Premium and they operate together flawlessly, with absolutely no noticeable effect on system performance. Prior to Malwarebytes 3.0, I was running Avast Internet Security, Malwarebytes Pro and Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit product. Again, zero issues with system performance and I often noticed one of the three catch and prevent something on websites that the other two didn’t complain about.

As for Microsoft Defender, I don’t trust it at all and leave it off.

Just my opinion.

Cheers..

Andrew

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Andrew,

Like you I’ve had zero problems and no performance problems using a multi-layered approach:

For the OS:
Windows Defender
MalwareBytes Premium
EMET 5.5
WinPatrol Plus
Windows Firewall
Hardware Firewall w/SPI (Cisco Router)

For the Browser:
uBlock
NoScript
Disconnect
Privacy Badger
Flash Block
HTTPS Everywhere

And let’s not forget a robust Imaging strategy using Macrium Reflect! along with my limited faculties between the ears!

What me worry
46256-AlfredENewman
…not on your life!

HTH :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

PowerShell & VBA Rule!
Computer Specs

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Andrew,

Like you I’ve had zero problems and no performance problems using a multi-layered approach:

For the OS:
Windows Defender
MalwareBytes Premium
EMET 5.5
WinPatrol Plus
Windows Firewall
Hardware Firewall w/SPI (Cisco Router)

For the Browser:
uBlock
NoScript
Disconnect
Privacy Badger
Flash Block
HTTPS Everywhere

Thanks RetiredGeek. I always find it interesting to see what combination of security others use to protect their systems.

As for myself, in the way of Browser Protection, apart from the products I’ve already mentioned, I have Adblock Plus and Privacy Badger installed to all browsers. Both serve me well.

And let’s not forget a robust Imaging strategy using Macrium Reflect! along with my limited faculties between the ears!

Hehe.. Same here, except that I’ve chosen to rely on Acronis True Image instead. It backs up my entire System Drive (Incremental) on a daily basis.. Every morning about 4 or 5am from memory. Though I am about to switch to a Cloud Backup solution. I’ve installed BackOnline’s solution (https://www.timg.com/solution-type/cloud-online-backup/) to a few clients servers and it does a great job, with them even sending / providing a 4TB USB 3.0 drive to do the first initial backup to and send it back to them free of charge.

I’d like to stick with my Acronis solution that I’ve been using for years and has served me well, though after recently contacting them yet again about the lack of seeding options in Australia, I got this response..

From: Axxxx Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxx@acronis.com]
Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2016 4:58 AM
To: andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com.au
Subject: RE: [Case 028xxxxx] Acronis losing sales by lack of Seeding Facilities. [ ref:_xxxxxxx [ ref:_xxxxxxx._xxxxxxxx:ref ]

Dear Andrew,

I got the response from Cloud Director that Initial Seeding is planned for Australia in Q2-Q3 2017 (not earlier unfortunately).

If there are any questions, I am happy to help!

Thank you

Axxxx Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Expert Team Support manager

I’ve been after them to provide seeding facilities in Australia for years.. It’s always been available in the US. Seems they’re finally starting to take the suggestion seriously, though why it should take so long to implement is a mystery. In the meantime, BackOnline (now TIMG) pay me handsomely for every client I refer to them that requires Cloud Backup and Disaster Recovery protection for their server(s) when they have TB’s to backup and uploading an initial backup is simply not an option. I mean, as I pointed out to Acronis (which they’ve no doubt verified via my Affiliate Account with them), I’ve installed hundreds of their product, mostly to home users over the years – and in the same time, they’ve lost at least >50 sales to Medium to Large business owners who are now with TIMG.

Oh well.. Their loss

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Hey Y’all,

It seems like MB Premium V3.04 also has a conflict with EMET 5.5 at least on my W10 Pro Setup. I get this message from EMET: 46263-ZeddyError
when I attempt to start Excel 2010.

I can solve this problem by turning off protection off SimExecFlow protection in EMET:

46261-SimExecFlowExcel

or turning off Excel Protection in MB:

46262-MB304Excel

It does not affect any other Office application (Access, Outlook, Word)!

Note: This does not happen on my older laptop running W10 Home and Office 2010. But then again MB did not populate the Protected Applications list on that machine? Don’t know if it is a issue with Pro vs Home or the fact that the home machine is not using secure boot and the Pro machine is? I may try to populate it manually and see if the same behavior is observed.

HTH :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

PowerShell & VBA Rule!
Computer Specs

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Update:

I changed MB settings on my laptop to delay realtime protection at startup by 1 minute (I said it is an OLD laptop). Low and behold it populated the Protected Applications list and now produces the same results as the desktop.

I did some further testing as I perceived that Excel was slower to start when MB was in control of the protection. I wrote a powershell program to test this and it proved that I was correct:

Code:

Elapsed time MB protection:

Minutes           : 0
Seconds           : 11
Milliseconds      : 629
Ticks             : 116293870
TotalMinutes      : 0.193823116666667
TotalSeconds      : 11.629387
TotalMilliseconds : 11629.387

Elapsed time EMET protection:


Minutes           : 0
Seconds           : 2
Milliseconds      : 362
Ticks             : 23629152
TotalMinutes      : 0.03938192
TotalSeconds      : 2.3629152
TotalMilliseconds : 2362.9152

Note: above results edited to remove unnecessary time intervals!

Seems that EMET is more efficient that MB!

HTH :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

PowerShell & VBA Rule!
Computer Specs

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I had to reinstall v3 as after initially using it to scan, went onto install it on my other two laptops.

I uninstalled the older version then did fresh installs.

I went back to the first machine a day or so later to find that it wouldn’t fire up, so decided to use IObit to uninstall but got an error message that the standard uninstaller couldn’t do it because of some .dat file was missing.

Anyway, IObit’s deep scan got rid of the lot so I could reinstall.

My only thought was that I’d run a scan with Norton Security after and wondered if this had taken out this missing file, but after the reinstall, I ran Norton again but MBAM has been fine since except on one of the other Win 10 machines, the scan took ~42 mins compared to the original first scan of ~8 mins.

I ran another straight after and that took ~20 mins – perhaps Norton is watching over it but it still only takes about 8 mins on another Win 10 laptop with Norton…..

This is with the free version on all machines.

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I ran another straight after and that took ~20 mins – perhaps Norton is watching over it but it still only takes about 8 mins on another Win 10 laptop with Norton…..

This is with the free version on all machines.

Free version of MBam 3.0? That would spur me to whitelist MBam’s .exe’s from within Norton and test again (after advising the User that Norton is renowned for such outdated behaviour – yes, in 6 months time, Norton/Symantec would still likely not whitelist MBam 3.0 Free by default).

The biggest issue I see with MBam 3 Free currently is the CPU% used, scan times are fine, faster than with v2 (currently ESET Smart Security, previously Avast Free, with v2 a number of different Free AVs and ESET).

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Free version of MBam 3.0? That would spur me to whitelist MBam’s .exe’s from within Norton and test again (after advising the User that Norton is renowned for such outdated behaviour – yes, in 6 months time, Norton/Symantec would still likely not whitelist MBam 3.0 Free by default).

The biggest issue I see with MBam 3 Free currently is the CPU% used, scan times are fine, faster than with v2 (currently ESET Smart Security, previously Avast Free, with v2 a number of different Free AVs and ESET).

It was probably a couple of years back now that after some of Norton 360’s Definitions updates that there was a conflict between it and MBAM.

Symantec brought out a workaround fix but I found it just as easy to uninstall MBAM – they eventually resolved the conflict so I’m wary of a Pro new MBAM running alongside of Norton Security.

I’m only assuming that it was Norton that was slowing up the scan on one machine, but no answer as to why there wasn’t the same on another.

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It was probably a couple of years back now that after some of Norton 360’s Definitions updates that there was a conflict between it and MBAM.

Interesting.. I think I actually remember that problem because I’d just installed MBAM Pro (Trial) to half a dozen workstations in a small business I was doing some work for, though it wasn’t Norton 360 they had installed but some other version of Norton or Symantec AV.

The conflict caused them some grief and the company director called me and demanded that I uninstall “that bl**dy new program” I had put on everyone’s machines including his. I did this immediately did by remotely logging into every workstation and uninstalling the MB Pro Trial at no charge.

Though I later tried in vain to explain that the issue caused wasn’t entirely MB’s fault once the problem had been resolved, he wouldn’t have a bar of it. Absolutely refuses point blank to consider trying MBAM again to this day. Shame, because they’re missing out on some excellent additional protection imo, but I guess for some people it’s once bitten, forever shy.

Symantec brought out a workaround fix but I found it just as easy to uninstall MBAM – they eventually resolved the conflict so I’m wary of a Pro new MBAM running alongside of Norton Security.

I’d have to go back through my records to figure out exactly how many, but I know for a fact that I have current clients running NIS and MBAM together quite happily. I personally don’t use Symantec’s AV solutions anymore because I’d always found them to be a bit heavy handed on system performance impact after default installs, though I’ve never denied they produce very good AV protection.

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I had numerous errors with MBAM 3.04. I was running the trial and intended to just let the trial lapse and use the program as an on demand scanner like I always had in the past. While running MBAM 3.04 I had a lot of error popups stating that system protection could not be loaded. I also had an error stating that MBAM tray could not be loaded. I also had a lot of browser instability with a freshly loaded browser. With only a few days left, I decided to end the free trial. I also installed version 3.05 as the program did not update itself automatically after 2-3 days. Since then I have not had any issues with browser instability. I also run EMET 5.5 and Panda free AV, but never got any error messages form them. Perhaps delaying startup would have solved some of these issues but I will never know.

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…I personally don’t use Symantec’s AV solutions anymore because I’d always found them to be a bit heavy handed on system performance impact…

A bit??? C’mon mate! Surest way to slow a Windows PC down is to install some Symantec (Norton) software.

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A bit??? C’mon mate! Surest way to slow a Windows PC down is to install some Symantec (Norton) software.

And how long ago was your experience of Norton, John ?

I’ve been using Norton since I first started in 2010, first with 360 and for the last couple of years it has been Norton Security Deluxe.

Other than the odd false positive, it has kept me safe.

A couple of years ago I uninstalled Norton 360 and installed MSE and there was no noticeable difference in performance.

I say +1 for Norton but I accept YMMV.

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…And how long ago was your experience of Norton, John ?…

I had a 386 PC about 1993 w/ Win3.1 running Norton until Win95. About 1996 I replaced the 386 with a 120MHz PC running Win95 and continued to run Norton AV until about late-1998 when I upgraded to Win98SE.

With Win98SE I was finding Norton was slowing the system down excessively and switched to Eset NOD32 which I continued to use quite happily for several years. Early in the 2000s about the time I was graduating from university I encountered AVG which was then quite new and which quickly became very popular with students and staff at the university. Six of my Windows systems are still running AVG, including my main PC (Win10 Pro x64), while the other two (Vista & Win7) have MS Security Essentials.

Since mid-2006 when I began working full-time as a technician I have attended several thousand customers, many of whom were running Norton/Symantec security. In my opinion Norton360 would be the least troublesome of the various Norton security products, while in quite a few cases “Norton Internet Security” was causing serious problems.

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A bit??? C’mon mate! Surest way to slow a Windows PC down is to install some Symantec (Norton) software.

I confirm my experience with Norton / Symantec products have been similar to yours over the years and removed many copies of their software over the years to resolve poor PC performance, which at those times it most certainly did. That said however, I can not in good conscience recommend to people that they should avoid their AV solutions as I stopped using them myself for several years now and I only make suggestions to people about AV products and other solutions regarding software that I have rather extensive experience with myself.

Cheers..

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Agree with Sudo; Norton HAD become a resource hog in the past, but that has (thankfully) been resolved for several years.

Zig

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Agree with Sudo; Norton HAD become a resource hog in the past, but that has (thankfully) been resolved for several years.

Zig

After using a number of utilities for about 10 years that started giving problems after Symantec bought them out my last experience, and the killer, was with Norton AntiVirus version 2002.

Before you wonder "Am I doing things right," ask "Am I doing the right things?"

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After using a number of utilities for about 10 years that started giving problems after Symantec bought them out my last experience, and the killer, was with Norton AntiVirus version 2002.

2002! – well technology has moved on a hell of a lot since then and Symantec took on board the complaints about its products slowing performance down and fixed it.

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Improvements in hardware will probably mask the inefficiency of Symantec software

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You guys just don’t give up – accept that Norton of today is a far cry of Norton of yesteryear

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I’ve never used NIS.

I have three laptops with Norton Security installed which I have to keep up to date because Norton doesn’t like being out of date with its Definitions.

Over three days without use will usually get you a Fix now button and you have to wait for it to go through its procedure of updating and then it will perform a scan before you can smoothly browse – inconvenient perhaps, but there’s a lot of nasties out there just waiting for the opportunity to make inroads into your system.

I’ve seen where some have deserted AVG because it was becoming bloated and possibly impacting on performance – have you any experience of that John ?

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…I’ve seen where some have deserted AVG because it was becoming bloated and possibly impacting on performance – have you any experience of that John ?

Yes actually. I read somewhere a few weeks ago that AVG was taken over by Avast some time ago, which IMO tends to explain the increased pop-up messages from AVG. In fact I am fed up w/ AVG prompting to install add-ons (“tuneup” etc.).

But as far as performance and effectiveness are concerned in my experience AVG continues to have fairly low impact on PC performance, and seems at least as effective as its competitors in terms of security.

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Yes actually. I read somewhere a few weeks ago that AVG was taken over by Avast some time ago, which IMO tends to explain the increased pop-up messages from AVG. In fact I am fed up w/ AVG prompting to install add-ons (“tuneup” etc.).

But as far as performance and effectiveness are concerned in my experience AVG continues to have fairly low impact on PC performance, and seems at least as effective as its competitors in terms of security.

Last I tried Symantic it was indeed low resource, I dropped it because (IIRC) the popup reminders to renew (ZoneAlarm left my zone for the same reason) I will not tolerate such from a paid program. That said I was ready to dump AVG paid because of such. There is a way to stop that behavior deep in the settings. Lamentably I could not identify that setting just now, I do not get the popup anymore for what ever reason on WX 1511.

Happy and Prosperous New Year to all, what ever that means to well meaning reasonable folk.

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