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    #98246

    It is not too late to catch up on updates. Here’s what you need to do:
    In Windows Update DO NOT check anything that is not already checked. That includes all of the updates on the OPTIONAL list and any of the IMPORTANT list that are not checked.
    DO NOT install (that means UNCHECK) driver updates from Microsoft. Go to your computer manufacturer’s or hardware manufacturer’s website and download the current drivers.

    For Group A (those willing to accept Microsoft’s snooping/telemetry)
    Install everything CHECKED by default under the important update list.

    For Group B (those who want more privacy)
    The patches in Win7 that contain telemetry and CEIP are KB2976978, KB3044374, KB3068708, and KB3080149. Some of these have been reissued with some frequency (KB2976978 for example). So you will need to watch for them. It is not recommended to hide updates, so you will need to UNCHECK them whenever they reappear in the important list if you do not want to install them.

    If your search for updates is extremely slow, you will need to download from the MS Update Catalog and install manually, in this order, two updates – KB3173424 and KB3172614.
    The MS Update Catalog is here http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Home.aspx – add the numerical part of the KB in the search box.

    The updates you need every month are the security-only updates. The terminology is “Security Only Quality UPDATE” for Windows. The cumulative patches to avoid are “Security Monthly Quality ROLLUPS“.

    You will need to download and manually install these updates, one at a time in this order, rebooting between each and waiting 10 minutes after logging in to the computer to install the next. Be sure to get the one that matches the bitedness of your computer.
    To do the installs, each time go to Control Panel\Administrative Tools\Services – scroll down and highlight the Windows Update Service, then at the top click on “Stop.” Double click on an update.
    KB3197873 Nov security-only http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=3197873
    KB3205400 Dec security-only http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=3205400
    There is no Jan security-only update

    NOTE: Each month, you will need to obtain the new security-only UPDATE from the Catalog and install it first. Information is here https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/24717/windows-8-1-and-windows-server-2012-r2-update-history

    After manual installation is complete, wait 10 minutes after logging in to the computer.
    Go to Windows Update. Leave the Windows Update setting on “Never check”
    Click on “Search for updates”
    From the “IMPORTANT” list, UNCHECK “Security Monthly Quality ROLLUP” for Windows and any other updates you do not want to install.
    Install the rest, including anything those for IE, NET, Office, C++, etc.
    Reboot – wait 10 minutes.
    Repeat the process, each time UNCHECKING the “Security Monthly Quality ROLLUP” for Windows and any others until there are no more left except the ROLLUP and the ones you do not want.

    You should be up to date!

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    • #98405

      …..
      DO NOT install (that means UNCHECK) driver updates from Microsoft. Go to your computer manufacturer’s or hardware manufacturer’s website and download the current drivers.

      …..

      I am curious, PKCano, what you say/advise about PC’s, Motherboards, CPU/Chipsets, and other components are no longer supported by main manufactures or even 3 rd party manufactures?

      If they are not updated one can run in to a variety of Errors/Events/WinERR or ultimately BSoD or Updates failing. My Tower is going on 4 to 5 years old. It is SandyBridge/CougarPoint i2600K 3.4 GB, 4 core and 32 GB Memory. The hardware that could use an upgrade is the Radeon 6880 but only for my Train Simulator. Even at this time KabyLake is not going to give a real difference until software catches up.

      My only Driver Update support is Microsoft(Intel and others via, too). I have taken all MS Driver updates and my W 8.1 Pro OS partitions are running stable and solid.

      I here the statement made by many people that don’t seem to consider our aging, quite elegantly, PC/workstations that require support, that is only coming from MS. Prior to these events, I would agree with your statement.

      Just Sayn’,

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      1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

      SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

      CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
      Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
      More perishable

      2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

      1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
      1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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      • #98406

        I guess you are lucky. There have been too many bad drivers issued by MS lately and in the past. Even Woody recommends not taking MS drivers. If you try, I would vigorously recommend you image your PC before you start – what’s the Latin phrase for “buyer beware”? I took Spanish and German – not Latin!

        • #98553

          Caveat Emptor

          Group "L" (Linux Mint)
          with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
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      • #98448

        @ PhotM

        https://www.howtogeek.com/191405/should-you-use-the-hardware-drivers-windows-provides-or-download-your-manufacturers-drivers/

        The default drivers Microsoft provides are stripped down and a bit older, but they’re written by your device manufacturer — not Microsoft themselves. They’re often good enough, but sometimes you’ll want the complete package or a driver Windows can’t provide.

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        • #98551

          Your still missing the point and your assumption are all about New/still in manufacture support.

          THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM DISCUSSING!!! 😀

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          1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

          SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

          CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
          Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
          More perishable

          2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

          1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
          1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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          • #98668

            @ PhotM

            From 2012 onward, most people bought new OEM Win 8.1 cptrs which hv been preinstalled by the OEMs with all the necessary device drivers specific to their cptr models, eg by Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc. No free Install/Recovery Win 8.1 DVDs were provided by the OEMs.
            Sometime after purchase, if the cptrs hv to be clean installed with a Win 8.1 iso media(= DVD or USB-stick) created from M$-website, there might be problems of missing or old or stripped-down or buggy Windows device drivers(including via Windows Update), esp for graphics drivers. This is when the users need to go get the appropriate device drivers from the OEMs. This is bc the Win 8.1 iso media created from M$-website has only basic/generic device drivers, which later may be auto-updated thru Windows Update.
            Of course, a System Image will prevent such a problem.

            Previously, new OEM Win 7 cptrs came with free Install/Recovery Win 7 DVDs from the OEMs which were slip-streamed with all the necessary device drivers specific to their cptr models. These DVDs from the OEMs were different from the Win 7 iso downloaded from M$’s website and then burned onto DVDs or USB-sticks, which contained only basic/generic device drivers.
            Hence, most Win 7 users did not hv any problem with device drivers when they had to clean install with their OEM Install/Recovery Win 7 DVDs.

            • #98672

              Anonymous

              From 2012 onward, most people bought new OEM Win 8.1 cptrs which hv been preinstalled by the OEMs with all the necessary device drivers specific to their cptr models, eg by Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc. No free Install/Recovery Win 8.1 DVDs were provided by the OEMs.

              I have yet to find a main stream OEM such as Dell, HP, Levono, Acer, etc. that do not have the option to create OEM installation DVDs included in the software package that is installed on the system!

              Just have to look for it (it’s not something that the system pops-up in your face!), provide the necessary DVDs to record the recovery media to them, and take the time to do it.

              I’ve done this on multiple systems, and have had no problem what so ever!

            • #98687

              @ NightOwl

              Thank you for the info.

              But the inbuilt Win 8/8.1 Recovery Media Creation tool/software from the OEMs is similar to the creation of System Images(eg with Macrium Reflect Free), ie about 6 DVDs or a 32GB USB-stick are required bc the Recovery media is not compressed.
              In fact, Win 7 also has an inbuilt Backup and Recovery tool to create its own System Image on a few DVDs or an external HDD or a networked drive.

              This is a bit different from the previous pre-2012 free OEM Install/Recovery Win 7 DVDs, or from the Install/Recovery media created from a Win 7/8.1 iso via M$-website, ie only a single DVD or 4GB USB-stick is required.
              .

              P S – HP’s inbuilt Recovery Media Creation Tool only allows 1 instance of media creation.

              P S 2 – Win 8 Pro 64bit iso = about 2.8GB = can be burned onto a single DVD or 4GB USB-stick.
              After install and decompression, the Win 8 system will take up about 20GB of disk space = the System Image or OEM inbuilt Recovery media requires about 6 DVDs or a 32GB USB-stick.

    • #98410

      I am not trying to pick a fight but that is the usual avoidance to the heart of my question…. 🙁

      Even main Manufactures have put out bad Drivers, Intel, AMD, RealTek etc….

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      1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

      SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

      CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
      Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
      More perishable

      2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

      1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
      1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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      • #98418

        You are right. Mfg’s have put out bad drivers too.
        My experience has just been better with OEMs and Mfgs. Woody also recommends that.
        Simply two points of view based on experience.
        Let’s face it, with computers, what works….well, works. And sometimes it’s the shot in the dark that gets the results.

        • #98424

          Nope, not two points of view.

          I think I said, but can’t find it, I agree with you up and until there is no other support, then we differ, it seems….

          The only reason I am pursuing this, is not for myself, I have already made my decision BUT for new people with older PC’s, somebody needs to come with some good solid advise….

          Woody, are you in the mood to tackle this ISSUE??? It needs an answer!!! Both of use have made our decision for ourselves but what about those whom don’t have the expertise to do that?

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          1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

          SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

          CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
          Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
          More perishable

          2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

          1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
          1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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          • #98554

            I think we can come up with some good answers and methods of updating, based on our real-world experience, IF we avoid getting hot under the collar about it!

            Calm down! We’re all on the same team here.

            Group "L" (Linux Mint)
            with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
            • #98559

              Who is not calm???
              You’ve never seen emphasis before???
              Always remember, when you point one finger there are three pointing back at you!

              I am simple looking for better guidance for new people than what we have, for today on older systems. I have already made up my mind over a year ago. Everything said above, I was always an advocate for until the manufactures drop the ball and left Microsoft holding the bag….. O.o 🙁

              Like more and more people, I have not seen a definitive reason to upgrade my Tower!!!

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              1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

              SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

              CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
              Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
              More perishable

              2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

              1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
              1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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            • #98591

              It seems like you are not calm. My apologies if you actually are calm.

              Group "L" (Linux Mint)
              with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
            • #98604

              HAHAHAHA 😆 I am fine, earnest for new users but calm and fine Mr Phelps….

              THIS MESSAGE WILL SELF DESTRUCT…… :LOL: if Woody allows it 😀

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              1. Tower Totals: 2xSSD ~512GB, 2xHHD 20 TB, Memory 32GB

              SSDs: 6xOS Partitions, 2xW8.1 Main & Test, 2x10.0 Test, Pro, x64

              CPU i7 2600 K, SandyBridge/CougarPoint, 4 cores, 8 Threads, 3.4 GHz
              Graphics Radeon RX 580, RX 580 ONLY Over Clocked
              More perishable

              2xMonitors Asus DVI, Sony 55" UHD TV HDMI

              1. NUC 5i7 2cores, 4 Thread, Memory 8GB, 3.1 GHz, M2SSD 140GB
              1xOS W8.1 Pro, NAS Dependent, Same Sony above.

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          • #98689

            Crysta

            For old PCs, if the PC manufacturer’s drivers are out of date, let’s say if the system came with Windows 7 and there is no support for Windows 10, there is a 99% chance that you would have to use Microsoft Update drivers. If there are devices for which there is no Microsoft Update support then the fun begins.

        • #98435

          … and another point of view here.
          1. Computer manufacturer’s drivers
          2. Windows Drivers
          3. Generic drivers from the manufacturer of the component, other than the computer manufacturer (except for Intel) – this is the last resort.

          Intel drivers generally are the same quality and compatibility with the computer manufacturer’s drivers, but there are exceptions.

          Always check the Hardware Id, the second line in the image should match. The SUBSYS value represents the computer manufacturer. If you install a driver and the Hardware Id SUBSYS value does not match, then avoid that driver, or use it when it is the only choice.
          OEM drivers (other than from Intel) rarely match the computer specific Hardware Id, but match only the first part, the Device Hardware Id.

          EDIT: You should inspect the .inf file which comes with the driver to check for the compatibility of the driver with the computer hardware Id. The Revision of the device hardware is not important, there are never drivers matching a certain revision. This is the reason why I said the second line in the Hardware Id tab.

          HardwareId

          HardwareId2

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          • #98442

            Ahh you nailed it as usual “always pick door #2” (second choice) always works for me 🙂

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    • #98556

      There is one case where I have benefitted greatly from using Windows Update to get a hardware driver, and it is in the case where I have no idea which driver to install for the onboard Ethernet.

      In these cases, I have connected a USB Ethernet adapter, got the PC online, and then used Windows Update to search for hardware updates. Once it found them, I installed only the one which was for the onboard NIC. I then powered down and removed the USB Ethernet adapter; I then powered up, and the onboard NIC worked without a hitch.

      I have since learned about the VEN/DEV method described above. If I had a spare computer to surf the web with, I would probably use the VEN/DEV method for the Ethernet driver; but since it is so easy, I might use Windows Update.

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
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    • #99645

      I’m coming in here late, but my own decisions are as follows:

      Basic philosophy: Horses for courses.

      I have one system that’s primarily filling the role of a small business server. It’s running Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and is perfectly stable. It requires almost no maintenance. Most importantly, it’s NOT used interactively. The last complete block of updates I allowed installed were in May 2016, with several additional security updates since. Unless I hear of an issue that’s very specifically pertinent to its function it’s not getting another update.

      I guess Woody would call this system generally a “Group W” member, with hints of “Group B”.

      Windows7Stability

      I have another computer system that’s my main workstation. I do everything with this system, from business management to engineering to customer support. It’s running Windows 8.1 Pro MCE x64 and it is stable, and only sees occasional application faults (so far as I can see, the actual fault of the applications). This system IS used interactively – heavily – by me, and has an extensive set of security layers including multiple measures to disallow it from contacting telemetry and other servers I don’t want contacted. On this system I have been applying all recommended updates on one to several month intervals. I have hidden a small set of the optional ones over time:

      • KB2976978 – Win 10 Compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8
      • KB3035583 – GWX
      • KB3046480 – Update helps to determine whether to migrate the .NET Framework 1.1 when you upgrade Windows 8.1 or Windows 7
      • KB3068708 – Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      • KB3080149 – Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      • KB3123862 – Updated capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
      • KB3173040 – Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1 end of free upgrade offer notification

      Notably I’ve been allowing the cumulative updates (though there haven’t been any for quite a while). Not quite group A (but mostly so lately) and not group B.

      UptimeWin81

      Both of the above systems are in about as good shape as any Windows system can be in (note the uptimes).

      I guess my bottom line is this: As a general philosophy, I care very much what gets installed into my systems, so I vet each and every proposed update, and I wait to see what kinds of experiences others have with the latest updates before considering installing them here.

      Since Microsoft has seen fit to set up their most recent updates as “cumulative” blobs that are poorly documented, I take that into account when weighing the risks of installing new updates against the risks of not installing them. I don’t oversimplify my needs into one or another group, but if I should hear that the latest Windows 8.1 cumulative quality and security update is failing somehow, I’ll certainly steer toward group B as needed.

      Both systems are backed up a number of ways. If anything should go wrong I am confident that I can recover.

      This strategy is working quite well for me so far.

      -Noel

    • #101288

      I am curious, PKCano, what you say/advise about PC’s, Motherboards, CPU/Chipsets, and other components are no longer supported by main manufactures or even 3 rd party manufactures?

      I still have a LGA775 socket mainboard based on Intel P45 and I’ve installed Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 on my computer. I usually install Intel INF Update Utility (although it’s not needed, it’s just update of names in Device Manager) and Intel RST (for ICH10R) – these can be freely installed on any version of Windows without any errors (at least I haven’t got any). Radeon has AMD support for 8.1, as I can see on their website.

      Fractal Design Pop Air * Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W * ASUS TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS * Intel Core i9-11900K * 4 x 8 GB G.Skill Aegis DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 * ASRock RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC * XPG GAMMIX S70 BLADE 1TB * SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB * Samsung EVO 840 250GB * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Windows 10 Pro 22H2 64-bit Insider * Windows 11 Pro Beta Insider
    • #104440

      What about KB3013769 (December 2014 rollup)? It’s pretty hefty (56 MB) and listed as Optional (not Recommended). I don’t use Kaspersky.

      Fractal Design Pop Air * Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W * ASUS TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS * Intel Core i9-11900K * 4 x 8 GB G.Skill Aegis DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 * ASRock RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC * XPG GAMMIX S70 BLADE 1TB * SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB * Samsung EVO 840 250GB * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Windows 10 Pro 22H2 64-bit Insider * Windows 11 Pro Beta Insider
    • #115928

      In August I became a Group W member after being totally upset by the GWX game & the transition to forced updates.

      With the WannaCry debacle, I’m back in the fold so to speak.  Group B is where I landed.  So I saw this article & installed the security only files needed to catch me up.  Thanks PK for the the nudge by posting this.

      My question is this.  I did not stop the windows update service prior to clicking on the downloaded files.  They are all listed in my history as successful.  Am I good to go or did I bork things up by missing that part of the instructions?  Please advise, thanks.

      • #115932

        If they show installed, you’re home free. Sometimes it just takes a lot longer scanning if you don’t stop the service

      • #115934

        Thanks again PK, I appreciate it.  BTW, I’m an old lurker from before – Render.  Perhaps I’ll register to become legitimate in the near future.  Have a good one fella.

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    • #207918

      I am trying to find out about what defcon1 means; does i mean that none of the updates that I am currently behind on patching not to install; or just the current month only? Say I am about 1 year behind on patching for instance.

      Hint from Moderator: Wait for your post to be posted… moderators are volunteers, and the time it takes to post can vary. See answer below…

      • #207922

        The DEFCON level posted at the top of each page is for the last month’s updates only. The current DEFCON 1 is for July’s updates.

        This is a link to the June updates.

        There is a similar post every month, when Woody declares it relatively safe to update… and there is a link in it to a ComputerWorld article that details the steps that each operating system should use, or any problems that might be anticipated. It should be safe to go ahead and update through June. Woody will post one for July’s updates before next Patch Tuesday.

        Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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