KB 4541302 – The new Chromium-based version of Edge is coming

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Microsoft has started officially rolling out Chredge, the Chromium-based version of Edge, to Windows 10 version 1903 and 1909 customers… which is to
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woody wrote:

According to Martin Brinkmann at Ghacks, it’ll appear as

KB4541301 — for Windows 10 version 1803 and 1809
KB4541302 – for Windows 10 version 1903 and 1909
KB4559309 — for all Windows 10 versions from Windows 10 version 1803 to 2004.

The last one says it replaces the first two:

This update replaces previously released updates KB4541301 and KB4541302.

Update for the new Microsoft Edge for Windows 10, version 1803, 1809, 1903, 1909, and 2004

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We have installed none of updates above and still, we have advertising for ChrEdge in start menu when trying to launch Chrome. It has neve been there. I blame KB4551853 for this “update”.
Ad does not appear, when trying to launch Vivaldi.

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On the three PCs I’ve updated to 2004, Chredge was offered for download and installation as soon as one opened the old Edge. In other words, not via WU.

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woody wrote:

Microsoft has started officially rolling out Chredge, the Chromium-based version of Edge, to Windows 10 version 1903 and 1909 customers… which is to
[See the full post at: KB 4541302 – The new Chromium-based version of Edge is coming]

I’ve already installed Microsoft Edge as my default browser.
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Microsoft Edge is up to date.
Version 83.0.478.44 (Official build) (64-bit)
This browser is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other open source software.
Microsoft Edge
© 2020 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Terms of use – Privacy statement – Microsoft services agreement
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Will the update(s) replace my current ‘Stable’ version? If so, it seems kind of redundant.

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GCG1000 wrote:

Will the update(s) replace my current ‘Stable’ version?

No.

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anonymous wrote:

On the three PCs I’ve updated to 2004, Chredge was offered for download and installation as soon as one opened the old Edge. In other words, not via WU.

this.  I’ve taken to installing chredge on every fresh or updated winblows machine.  my customers will see that chredge offer and not understand it and call me.  might as well get it installed.  I’m willing to roll the dice that m$ hasn’t perverted chromium any worse than Google.

Hey look! Another Feature Update!

You mean I shouldn't click Check for Updates?

Where is the Any key?

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I mostly use the Edge Chromium browser or Chrome and Safari on Apple devices. Not a fan of Brave, and Firefox lost me awhile ago when they can’t fix obvious problems but keeping tacking on more web nanny stuff.

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Firefox is the default browser by choice on my primary laptop, though I installed Chredge on both of my W10Hx64 laptops to replace the extant versions of Edge when it became available a few months back (it’s the default and only browser on a 32Gb eMMC laptop).

In general, I turn off auto-updating for any app installed on all of my machines where that user-selectable option is available in its settings, with few exceptions.  Chredge does not have a high-level setting option for that feature, so it must be buried within the deeper structure — both machines apparently auto-updated to the latest version without any notification or user involvement.  There is no entry within the WU list which reflects such an update was processed, unless it was something slyly and covertly wrapped into a malware definitions update in the past day.

I’m not at all pleased with this sort of behavior, so today I’ll be digging for the technical details and the information required to toggle that deeper setting to “off”.

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[jhvance]

MSCONFIG/Services — untoggled the two entries associated with “Microsoft Edge Updating Service” (edgeupdate + edgeupdatem)

Both services had been stopped earlier, but now I’ll see if that untoggling actually sticks, or if some MS process next Patch Tuesday (or earlier) changes it back.

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Updates with Edge Chromium are a challenge.

When you first install Edge (whether the consumer package or via the “business’ MSI version – the installer sets up a myriad of vectors that allow Edge to relentlessly update itself with no control from either the user OR via IT (if you are managing it in a business environment).

Edge places a series of tasks in Task Scheduler and installs several apps (like Microsoft Edge Update) and services (3 of them) onto the PC. All of these things conspire to keep Edge checking for updates as quickly as each hour on a typical install.

Over here – I had to create a script that runs “post” Edge install – to clean all this c*** up EVERYTIME an Edge update is released.

My script does the job but Microsoft seems **** bent on ensuring that no matter that no matter what one does – updates are happening. Even the very latest Edge group policy templates are in question – where you can specifically instruct Edge to Never Update – it still updates itself if all these tasks and services remain in place.

Edge Chromium is a awesome browser and has 100% replaced Chrome here but any ability to control updates is a disaster right now.

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So…I should also untoggle the “Microsoft Edge Elevation Service” as well as the others?  I had not done so previously, as I thought it might be required to establish a valid secure (e.g. https://) webpage.

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SonicMojo wrote:
Edge Chromium is a awesome browser and has 100% replaced Chrome here but any ability to control updates is a disaster right now.

For business environment (i.e., Pro/Enterprise), would this work?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/DeployEdge/microsoft-edge-update-policies

More specifically, maybe try…

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/DeployEdge/microsoft-edge-update-policies#updatedefault

or…

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/DeployEdge/microsoft-edge-update-policies#autoupdatecheckperiodminutes

Hope this helps.

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I am on Windows 10 1909 Home and have not received the update as of yet. There was the regular automatic update check last night and this morning I did click “check for updates”, but I didn’t get it. Guess I’m lower on the rollout ladder.

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Likewise.

Also, if I read that correctly, does that mean that in effect I will have three MS browsers installed on my PC simultaneously?

*IE

*Edge (legacy)

*Chredge

 

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SonicMojo wrote:

All of these things conspire to keep Edge checking for updates as quickly as each hour on a typical install.

This is a good thing (and Chrome does the same auto-updating).
The browser is your windows to the Internet and the wide open door into your PC and it should check for updates every hour, just like an good Anti-virus app does.

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It’s only a good thing – until it’s not.

I do not need my browser checking for updates every hour or reinstalling itself without my knowledge. And I really do not need a buggy update slipping in due to MS not getting it right.

Like Windows 10 – once a month updates is fine by me. Stability rules.

S

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SonicMojo wrote:

And I really do not need a buggy update slipping in due to MS not getting it right.

But you do let buggy Defender/anti-virus signature updates/components..

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Alex5723 wrote:

SonicMojo wrote:

And I really do not need a buggy update slipping in due to MS not getting it right.

But you do let buggy Defender/anti-virus signature updates/components..

No I do not. Do not use Defender here.

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For anyone who allowed Chedge to install from windows update what is the build number?

Barry
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One computer got 81.0.416.81 which is about three weeks old and missing the last couple of updates.

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The version number on mine is 83.0.478.45

This was downloaded manuly when the browser was released. i am running 2004.

Barry
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[Tex265]

OK three questions:

1. If we are going to still have old Edge, only hidden, shouldn’t we at least install the option to be able to access it if we need to? Any downside to this?
2. Are we also still going to have Internet Explorer 11 installed on and accessible with the new Edge?
3. Can we corral the new edge via wushowhide?

Windows 11 Pro v24H2 and Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2

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Tex265 wrote:

1. If we are going to still have old Edge, only hidden, shouldn’t we at least install the option to be able to access it if we need to? Any downside to this?

No downside, but any upside?

As Woody pointed out, it’s not simple to make both available. It involves either a blocker toolkit and beta install, or reinstalling after a group policy or registry change.

Tex265 wrote:

2. Are we also still going to have Internet Explorer 11 installed on and accessible with the new Edge?

Yes.

Tex265 wrote:

3. Can we corral the new edge via wushowhide?

I don’t see why not, but why would you prefer to keep old Edge instead?

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b wrote:

No downside, but any upside? As Woody pointed out, it’s not straightforward making both available. It involves either a blocker toolkit and beta install, or reinstalling after a group policy or registry change.

If I understand the directions correctly, the key to ease is to install and set the new Group Policy settings before allowing new edge to install.

Upside would be to be able to access it if needed to for who knows what, but if it is still there, what if it causes an issue and you can’t easily get into it?  So why not have access – if no harm and use access for emergencies only.

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Tex265 wrote:

If I understand the directions correctly, the key to ease is to install and set the new Group Policy settings before allowing new edge to install.

True.

Tex265 wrote:

Upside would be to be able to access it if needed to for who knows what, but if it is still there, what if it causes an issue and you can’t easily get into it?  So why not have access – if no harm and use access for emergencies only.

If you do it successfully, please report back just in case someone else asks.

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SonicMojo wrote:

Alex5723 wrote:

SonicMojo wrote:

And I really do not need a buggy update slipping in due to MS not getting it right.

But you do let buggy Defender/anti-virus signature updates/components..

No I do not. Do not use Defender here.

S

So you don’t want the 10s of security Edge fixes to auto update.
If you don’t want these updates just uninstall Edge. It is a stand alone app that can be uninstalled. Or, you can check manually for updates every day.

https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-us/security-guidance/advisory/ADV200002

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[SonicMojo]

No – what I want is maintain 100% complete control over Edge when it is in use on my (and our users) desktops. We have no desire to pander to Microsoft’s schedule or buy into the “fright” of suddenly needing every single update they kick out – most of which can wait.

Of course security fixes are always welcome – but when I decide. I guess you must have little experience actually managing software deployments for many machines.

This aggresive hourly “auto-update” model is exactly perfect for grandma at home to keep her current but does not fly in a business environment – especially when it is fairly obvious that Edge is updated about every 10 days or so right now. There is no need for an hourly update check.

S

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Why would I want to run the old Edge? Basically one reason: it gets the tab bar correct. The new one copies Chrome, and, for some reason, Chrome adds a whole lot of extra white space on Windows 10, and increase the size of elements when you increase the font size in the Customization options, rather than just the text.

I actively have to run Chrome with a command line that reduces its DPI to get it to have the same size of title bar/tab bar, as edge, and the result is that the text is too tiny. Fortunately, I usually have enough tabs that I can’t see the text of a tab anyways. And at least I figured out how to make the menu text the right size.

I had hoped, with the other changes Microsoft was making to beautify the UI, they’d fix this problem. But all the seem to have done is make buttons weird and checkmarks/radio buttons blue, so they can clash with other color schemes.

(And there’s no easy way to theme them–you have to either make your own checkmark images, or try to use the CSS filters with hue/saturation/brightness to try and get something you like. It’s so dumb.)

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As said on twitter to the team see 3 big negative points of this implementation:

1. Chredge installed via WU (KB) will silence the old Edge and uninstalling Chredge will not make old Edge reappear. This is different if you have manually installed Chredge.
I would like to plea that the KBs should be applied on all systems and that the behaviour is the consistent. I’ve rolled out a lot of machines manually with new Edge. And don’t want to uninstall Edge to install the KB.

2. When you click on start / search there is an ad in the search to either install Chredge (implies problems in 1.) or try out the new Edge (release, no beta, dev, can) when already installed

That’s not nice. There should be no ad if Edge is already the default browser or was manually installed or via the KB

3. The Edge via WU does not exist for 2004 (yet)? Upgraded the whole family to 2004 already and there is no upgrade package for 2004 via WU / /KB package, that is irritating at least. So ultimately in 2004 you have no other choice but waiting OR doing 2. or 1. which implies the issues mentioned in 1.

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alQamar wrote:

3. The Edge via WU does not exist for 2004 (yet)? Upgraded the whole family to 2004 already and there is no upgrade package for 2004 via WU / /KB package, that is irritating at least.

KB4559309 includes 2004:

Update for the new Microsoft Edge for Windows 10, version 1803, 1809, 1903, 1909, and 2004

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alQamar wrote:

I’ve rolled out a lot of machines manually with new Edge. And don’t want to uninstall Edge to install the KB.

Why would you do this?

I’m leaning in the direction of a manual install to be able to remove if need be and automatically fallback to old Edge vs allowing the KB install with no fallback option.

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Do I understand correctly that currently one can go the MS new Edge website and download/install the current stable version of Edge?

And if you manually install it, you can later delete it and the old Edge will again become active?

And if you manually install it, Windows Update will not offer to Download anything?

But, if you let Windows Update download and install new Edge, if you later want to delete it, the old Edge does not come back?

Or, you can use Registry Edits or Group Policy settings to allow new Edge to install along side of old Edge and have use of both if want to?

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Tex265 wrote:

Do I understand correctly that currently one can go the MS new Edge website and download/install the current stable version of Edge?

And if you manually install it, you can later delete it and the old Edge will again become active?

And if you manually install it, Windows Update will not offer to Download anything?

But, if you let Windows Update download and install new Edge, if you later want to delete it, the old Edge does not come back?

Or, you can use Registry Edits or Group Policy settings to allow new Edge to install along side of old Edge and have use of both if want to?

Yes to all and IE11 still remain installed and you can run it from ChrEdge.

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Computer is HP Desktop Windows 10 1909 x64 Home Edition. And awaiting my “chance” for 2004.

I downloaded Chromium Edge from the MicroSoft page when it was first announced in January. As a primarily Google Chrome user I was interested to see the MS version. I let the new Edge
remain as the default Win 10 browser.

While the install did remove the Microsoft Edge (old) browser usage functions, there still remained linkage for CORTANA to use. I Don’t use CORTANA everything is shut off.

I also use CCleaner to keep the trash down and discovered that after the Edge Chromium install for old MS Edge a group of files was always being generated even with CORTANA shut off. There’s approx 33 files totals of 3-4 mb in size being regenerated after CCleaner has removed them during the next Boot Up.

I was surprised with this MS announcement. I expect they will totally eliminate any linkage to CORTANA (maybe move it to New MS Edge to do) and finally fully remove all old Microsoft Edge files from the system.

CCleaner shows 3-MS browsers: Microsoft Edge; Edge Chromium, and Internet Explorer

In CCleaner the files in question are “InterNet Cache” taken from “NetCache” …
User\(NAME)\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.Cortana.(SubFolder)\AC\NetCache\etc..

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[doriel]

New edge is now advertised in all Windows versions as I know, if you search for a webbrowser (I mean Chrome) via Start Menu. Cant be disabled as I know.
So easy to push ads via MS update, so I doubt even more about updates quality. Its more about bloatware and advertising new products than improving quality of OS.
We use WSUS for updating our office PCs, so I am even more suprised, that MS has smuggled this ad with some security or quality update. This is so unfair!

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doriel wrote:
This is so unfair!

Well, if fairness is our goal, maybe we should also express displeasure at google’s obnoxious habit of repeatedly displaying “switch-to-chrome” ads when Edge users visit google’s search engine.

Just a thought, submitted with respect.

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… or Gmail:

If you now sign in to Gmail in the new Microsoft Edge browser on a new computer, you’re likely to receive a Chrome download ad in the security alert email, which you get to check details.

Google is now Pushing Chrome through Gmail’s new device Sign-In Alert Messages

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Good point, I didnt think about it this way, I appreciate your opinion.

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I also just discovered (maybe very late) that the new Edge also finally kills media auto play on sites like CNN.

I had to make a local group policy change but my testing shows that CNN finally shuts its yap when I view an article on the site. The video panel is still there but now presents a big Play button overlay if I actually want to see the video.

This finally checks a box on the most annoying part of using Chrome. And yes – I realize there are extensions that can help but having it built in is very nice.

S

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woody wrote:

Reviews for the new Edge are good – although I’ll be sticking with Brave (my new preference),

… the company is “trying to build a viable business,” …
Brave privacy browser ‘mistake’ added affiliate links to crypto URLs

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I can’t find KB4559309 in the Update Catalog???

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The updates that introduce the new Microsoft Edge web browser on Windows 10 devices are only available via Windows Updates and not on the Microsoft Update Catalog website.

Windows Update KB4559309 replace old with new Microsoft Edge on Windows 10

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b wrote:

… or Gmail:

If you now sign in to Gmail in the new Microsoft Edge browser on a new computer, you’re likely to receive a Chrome download ad in the security alert email, which you get to check details.

Google is now Pushing Chrome through Gmail’s new device Sign-In Alert Messages

So Microsoft wants to be Google (like ChrEdge isn’t enough) ? Why not be Apple ?

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Sorry for offtopic – Cause (admit it or not), google simply changed the world with its visionary attitude. Maybe I will get negative comments here, because people think its mostly advertising company (and it is), but thier ideas are simple and MOSTLY functional. And game changing sometimes. They are leading the world in what they do. And they are mostly open source, so everyone can join.
Lots of projects are discontinued – https://killedbygoogle.com/ – but its all more simple and fun to use, web based and worldwide.
MSFT cant be Apple, cause otherwise Apple would lost its uniqueness. Apple is for “wealthier western civilisation people”, but google is affordable for everyone, even in Marocco, Mongolia, Laos and other countries, that are not in the front line of the wealthiest countries.

Microsoft is still leading in OS and Enterprise solutions (AD, Azure). They dont need to be somebody else, they just implemented chromium, cause there is just nothing better at this time and its waste of resources to try to make something better (first Edge for example).

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The only reason that Google became “visionary” was in how they managed to obfuscate the real reason for their existence by appearing to make everything “free”.

When in reality they are simply a very sly data mining company with a sole primary directive of collecting everything they can get about you and your private life and selling it to the highest bidder.

Anything that they develop only “appears”  to be affordable for a single reason – they make things free to ensure the data collection continues unabated regardless of country, wealth status etc.

What better way to mine everyone’s data but by making everything appear simple, fun and easy to use – and “free”?

People are the “product” here – nothing more. If you are OK with it – they are happy to keep using you.

S

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[doriel]

Appreciate your opinion. Correct. They collect my data while surfing the web, so they can put appropriate banners for me on other webpages, so I am offered “relevant ads”.
Althogh Im not really fan of this, I still I thank them for making IT things affordable for whole planet.

My browser is “personalized” for my needs. Google gets payed for cliking on ads, or you can pay google to be the first search result for X people per day for some fee.
Google stats are visible for everyone and statistics of searches can be accessed publicly, there is no secret about it. It can be actually quite usefull and interesting for everybody.

by appearing to make everything “free”

It IS mostly free, so whats wrong about it? At least people from around the world can get in touch.

When in reality they are simply a very sly data mining company

And Apple is money mining company. I am not naive and I know, that if someone wants to know, they can know everything about me.

If you are deep into privacy attitude, there are lot of ways to lower the ammount of your personal data mined – Linux distro, Vivaldi browser, DuckDuckGo search engine, HDD/SSD encryption, …
Sorry for my sharp attitude, but its just too easy to blame Google to be the “evil company”, they did a lot for development.

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doriel wrote:
ways to lower the ammount of your personal data mined – Linux distro, Vivaldi browser, DuckDuckGo search engine

Yes, but certainly also add Firefox browser (and Mozilla products in general) to list for people trying to maintain some level of privacy and personal data security in this current age of surveillance and surveillance capitalism…

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/privacy/

Hope this helps.

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anonymous wrote:

I am on Windows 10 1909 Home and have not received the update as of yet. There was the regular automatic update check last night and this morning I did click “check for updates”, but I didn’t get it. Guess I’m lower on the rollout ladder.

I’m just beginning to go through this thread.

Maybe this hasn’t been mentioned yet but I believe Chromium based Edge is available for you.

Click in the Search box at the bottom as if you are doing a search.
— You will see a link to download the Chromium based Edge w/o having to look for it
— If you don’t, let us know.
— I honestly don’t know what or why it doesn’t go that way if that is the case.
— If that is the case, ask for help about it.

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If I use Bing, I do get the option to download the new Chromium Edge. But I still have not received the update to Chromium through Windows update.

I doubt that I would ever use Chromium Edge, except in the case of a refresh or reinstall of Windows in order to download another browser.

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anonymous wrote:

If I use Bing, I do get the option to download the new Chromium Edge. But I still have not received the update to Chromium through Windows update.

I doubt that I would ever use Chromium Edge, except in the case of a refresh or reinstall of Windows in order to download another browser.

“But I still have not received the update to Chromium through Windows update.”
I never was either.

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Just an update:

I finally did receive the Chromium Edge update via Windows update. It appeared as an update that I could download and install now. I did not click on the download button to download it, but after a couple of hours, it downloaded and installed own its own and I got the restart to install updates icon on the start menu and in the task bar. I did go ahead and restart, and then the new Edge automatically opens and connects. No desktop on restart, but an open Chromium Edge.

Kinda ticks me off, but unfortunately I’ve come to expect nothing less from Microsoft.

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You should have manually downloaded ChrEdge (which also lets you completely uninstall) instead of letting Microsoft force install (can’t be uninstalled).

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I would certainly like to see evidence of this..as undoubtedly would many others on the forum.

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See https://www.askwoody.com/2020/yes-you-read-that-correctly-win7-machines-dont-get-free-security-patches-but-they-do-get-a-free-copy-of-chredge/

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