Patch Alert: April patches infested with a slew of bugs, most of which were finally contained

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We’re still waiting for the answers to a few niggling questions, but by and large we’re in much, much better shape today than we were earlier this mon
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As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m not bragging about being on Windows 8.1 & avoiding the horrors Windows 7 users have faced for about the last 4 months. Because I wouldn’t be surprised once Win7 reaches End of Life in Jan. 2020… that Win8.1 starts facing the same treatment for the 3 years it has left at that point. Woody says Windows 10 is (mostly) good. But if it doesn’t stabilize to MY satisfaction before Jan. 2020, Linux is calling. I checked Apple’s website for MacBooks & got sticker shock. No guarantee prices will be better by late 2019…

Bought a refurbished Windows 10 64-bit, currently updated to 22H2. Have broke the AC adapter cord going to the 8.1 machine, but before that, coaxed it into charging. Need to buy new adapter if wish to continue using it.
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I’m with you. As much as I love Windows 7, I’ve basically abandoned it on my home computers; I have switched to Windows 8.1 (with Classic Shell) for those times when I need to use Windows; however, Linux Mint is my OS of choice at home; Mint is about all I ever use at home.

Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server

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From the linked Computerworld article:

Of course we’re all waiting for Win10 version 1803 to appear. There’s still no word on when that might happen, or what it’ll be called. (Inveterate leaker Faikee points to a Chinese-language letter to dealers saying it’ll be released May 9.)

My possibly inaccurate memory says that Win10 could not be sold in China as is. That it required a ‘special edition’ to satisfy that government. I wonder, and realize no one knows, how independent and possibly more simple that development track is. Leading me to believe it may not be a good indicator of global delivery.

Separately, an observation on the irony involved if that product is delivered ahead of the global product.

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woody wrote:

We just have a couple of niggling problems before it’s time to get the March patches installed.

March?

(If so, perhaps this sentence was only intended to apply to Windows 7?)

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I have installed, so far, month after month, all the patches through March seen as OK for Group B, after consultations with MrBrian and others here: so far, no problems that I have noticed.
Also the Office 2010 Security and IE11 Security Cumulative patches of April.
Still waiting for more information on this month’s Security Only and whether to uninstall and then reinstall the other problematic patch mentioned here, KB 4099950.
I installed KB 4099950 late in March, but I had downloaded it earlier, so now I wonder if there is something in the name of the installation file that tells which version, first or most recent, it corresponds to.
Thanks.

Group B, Windows 7 Pro, SP1, x64, Intel I-7 “sandy bridge”.

Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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woody wrote:

There continue to be reports from people who installed this month’s updates and had to struggle with recovering their user profile. Microsoft acknowledged the problem, of and on, and even posted a Knowledge Base article with workaround steps.

That article was for Vista, and was last updated a year ago.

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Microfix

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Applies to: Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit EditionWindows Vista Home Basic 64-bit EditionWindows Vista Home Premium 64-bit EditionWindows Vista Ultimate 64-bit EditionWindows Vista BusinessWindows Vista Business 64-bit EditionWindows Vista EnterpriseWindows Vista Home BasicWindows Vista Home PremiumWindows Vista StarterWindows Vista UltimateWindows 7 EnterpriseWindows 7 Home BasicWindows 7 Home PremiumWindows 7 ProfessionalWindows 7 StarterWindows 7 Ultimate Less
Symptoms
When you log on to a Windows 7-based or a Windows Vista-based computer by using a temporary profile, you receive the following error message:
The User Profile Service failed the logon. User profile cannot be loaded.

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Great quote. What’s your point?

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HiFlyer

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Clarity.

The article referenced isn’t “for Vista” (and the steps for W7 Profile troubleshooting/workarounds haven’t changed in the last year).

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It certainly was for Vista (I didn’t say only), and it wasn’t posted as a result of a problem with this month’s updates as we were led to believe.

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You only wrote Vista, which might be taken as deliberately misleading by some.

Perhaps you’re reading too much into Woody’s limited available time and lack of proofreading; I reckon he intended to write “, and even posted a link to a Knowledge Base article with workaround steps”.

Thanks for flagging up the omission.

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I’m not familiar with the situation. But I’ll mention that once in while we will have a user boot their pc and they’ll receive the message “you have been logged on with a temporary profile”. In our case the quick fix is to log off (not reboot) and then log back on the network and the profile loads properly. I have no idea if this could apply to what’s going on now, but thought I’d mention.

Red Ruffnsore

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As far as patches for Windows 7 x64 goes, I think that, after the chaos of January and February, from March until now, things have not been nearly as bad for Group B as they have been for Group A (on account of their installing the Rollups and — some particularly trusty souls– also the Previews).
And I would go as far as to say that things for Win 7, Group B, of recent, have been definitely much better than for Windows 10. If anything, this month they are almost tranquil by comparison.

Actually, April has not been too different for me from what patch days have been ever since I bought this by now six and a half old PC: waiting to hear something bad about the patches before updating, then going ahead accordingly. And what I have heard of relevance to my case, so far this month, is not all that bad.
The one remarkable difference is the presence of Woody’s as a unique support resource for those of us who are forced by circumstances to be our own (amateur) system administrators.

Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

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Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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oh oh, I installed KB4093118 this afternoon and upon checking things out I discovered that a few installed updates are now missing. Security  for October, November, December 2017 and January and maybe February 2018 . I didn’t uninstall anything and they were all there yesterday. Any ideas? am I in trouble? Good thing we did a image backup before hand.

Windows 11 Pro
Version 23H2
OS build 22631.5189

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OldBiddy

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KB4093118 is cumulative and contains/supersedes all of them. Not to worry.

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Really? ok I’ll start breathing again then. That sure had me going nuts. Thank you PK.

Windows 11 Pro
Version 23H2
OS build 22631.5189

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OldBiddy

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Group A, Win 7×64. home user.  Yep, after installing 118  all the garbage patches back to September were cleared out.

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OldBiddy

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I’m also a Windows 7 Home x64 Group A person. And today I installed KB4093118 after having previously installed Jan/Feb/Mar monthly security rollups and also KB4100480 and the revised KB4099950. I also installed the April Office 2010 security update. And the MSRT. The only thing I’ve noticed so far is that KB4093118 took forever to install, a good hour or so. But so far it looks like a successful install, except that my computer seems to run slower. Even updating Chrome took awhile. Haven’t tested Office yet.

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I love this part of Da Boss Computerworld’s article about KB4093118 31KB loop offer bug in particular:

“That means, to a first approximation, Win7 and Server 2008 R2 users can install one patch and wipe out the Total Meltdown threat.”

I’m sure such nice attitude to all that current m$ updating mess as well as big IT industry hype & hidden marketing around spectre, meltdown along with total meltdown is the most decent way possible.

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walker

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Does anyone know if the user profile issue affects a domain?  Our PCs only have one local user profile, the admin, all users logon their respective PCs with a domain account.  I run a WSUS server and usually hold patches until the end of the month.  I’m now considering holding them later, but don’t want to have to juggle multiple months’ patches and try to sort out what patch does what, create bugs/fix bugs!  Will Chrome OS ever get to a managed enterprise status?  Google seems to be better at handling updates than M$!!

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What concerns me is that most folks here who have followed advice to “keep older systems patched” now have systems that are FAR less functional than they were a few short months ago.

There will come a time – perhaps it has already come – where the return on investment is not positive. But of course because risk is involved it’s near impossible to measure with any accuracy or certainty.

What price security?

Security from what?

-Noel

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It’s funny to think that a few years back I updated unthinkingly whenever the system told me there were updates available. Never had cause to regret it, either, in the early years. How that has all changed! Now, whenever I am alerted to the presence of a patch, my first thought is, “Do I really need this? And at what cost?” And this year, in particular, I have come to the conclusion that many exploits present a lower risk than the patches supposed to protect us from them. It may be an old lady’s wariness, but for all that my dear old PC is humming along as happily now as ever.

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@Noel

EXACTLY!

BTW, I’ve performed another test install of KB4093113 April Preview. This time by use of .CAB file downloaded thru link taken from Windows Update Mini Tool as below:

http://download.windowsupdate.com/c/msdownload/update/software/updt/2018/04/windows6.1-kb4093113-x64_3ca1e256f99b94e4bc09d51c79c9495626ef6007.cab

and DISM command: DISM.exe /Online /Add-Package /PackagePath:

with all same bad results of dwm.exe & closed windows’ leftovers issues.

And also tested Spectre/Meltdown protection status by another checker utility beyond well-known InSpectre one:

https://github.com/ionescu007/SpecuCheck/releases

with not much optimistic results:

SpecuCheck v1.0.5   —   Copyright(c) 2018 Alex Ionescu
https://ionescu007.github.io/SpecuCheck/  —  @aionescu
——————————————————-

Mitigations for CVE-2017-5754 [rogue data cache load]
——————————————————-
[-] Kernel VA Shadowing Enabled:                                           yes
├───> with User Pages Marked Global:                               yes
└───> with PCID Flushing Optimization (INVPCID):      no

Mitigations for CVE-2017-5715 [branch target injection]
——————————————————-
[-] Branch Prediction Mitigations Enabled:                             no
├───> Disabled due to System Policy (Registry):                no
└───> Disabled due to Lack of Microcode Update:            yes
[-] CPU Microcode Supports SPEC_CTRL MSR (048h):      no
└───> Windows will use IBRS (01h):                                     no
└───> Windows will use STIPB (02h):                                  no
[-] CPU Microcode Supports PRED_CMD MSR (049h):      no
└───> Windows will use IBPB (01h):                                     no

 

So all of these patching against Spectre/Meltdown seem for nothing for older CPU’s, especially when Intel latest memo of April 2018 here:

https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/04/microcode-update-guidance.pdf

said of Intel’s very much predictable & smartest decision of  FINAL giving up with Spectre threat microcode updating for older CPU’s like C2D CPUID: 10676 and similar aged.

Anyhow I believe the best way to handle this Spectre/Meltdown hype & marketing mess for M$ would be the complete exception of  any further patching of these threats, if any of them is for real, from the current line of massive monthly patching – rollups & previews – and patch these Spectre/Meltdown as separate updating line!

Although there is no any hope that m$ will go this better way.

 

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Having installed the earlier version of KB4099950 for Windows 7 x64, went to get the later one from the Catalogue to install it instead, as recommended earlier here, and found there the newer version plus one executable.

Question: what to do with the executable, including to which directory to save it and when and how to launch it, while updating the patch.

Thanks.

Group B, Windows 7 Pro, SP1, x64 Intel I-7 “sandy bridge”.

 

Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

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TonyC

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Put both files on your desktop.
Double click the .msu file.
During the install, you will see a command prompt flash briefly when the .msu executes the script in the .exe

After reboot, you can save the files (if you save updates) or delete them.

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I had the same question. But, if the .msu file of new version of KB4099950 is identical to the .msu file of the previous version, how come the previous version did not try to execute the .exe file? Or did it actually try to execute the .exe file, found it wasn’t available, and just carried on anyway?

I prefer not to have files scattered on my desktop. I place a file that I am going to use for installation in a separate temporary folder by itself (I use the folder D:\Installtemp). I then use Start > Run… on the file in D:\Installtemp. So, would it still work if I placed both the .msu file and the .exe file in D:\Installtemp and then use Start > Run… on the .msu file?

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Firstly, greatly appreciative of Woody’s efforts here — saved me tons of wasted time!

Secondly, I’ve been in the software business since the MS-DOS days (and before!) and learned early on the egregiously poor quality control MS exercised in its OS design and maintenance.  A career filled with nightmares and endless kludges to get something to work ‘as advertised.’  So… I adopted a multi-OS approach:

1. Win 7-64 on the Lenovo laptop for travel only.  It dual-boots with a Win10, non-production partition (set up when Win 10 was ‘free’) for testing updates without impacting necessary tasks.

2. Win 8.1 Dell desktop for ALL production applications and daily use.  It’s been rock-solid with only a few minor hiccups.  It also has a Win10 dual-boot partition for the same purpose as the laptop — keeping up with the MS circus without impacting production.

And… before any updates are applied I make an image backup of the full OS partition to both the production drive and to a backup drive.  Several times I’ve needed to restore this backup and it’s the quickest and easiest way to get back up and running after an MS ‘terror attack.’

‘Nuf said.

 

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I’ve rolled back to Dec on 3 Win 7 PC’s. Do I have it right that the April Monthly Rollup, KB 4093118, has been fixed and is OK to install for Win7-64 PC’s?

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It is with deep sorrow that I have to report that after two uneventful days of having installed 4093118 (Group A Windows 7, 64 bit, SP1) that I am now getting the Stop error OxAB again.  I installed KB4099467 which was supposed to fix this.  Any other fellow sufferers getting the BSOD?  Should I again uninstall the April Rollup??   I don’t have Jan/Feb/March rollups.  Any advice is much appreciated.  

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The Rollups are cumulative, so you essentially have Jan, Feb and Mar

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Nope – just uninstalled the April Rollup.  Now just waiting with everyone else for the dust to settle.  I have 4100480 installed.

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I have been waiting for registration to send me my password for about 1/2 hour, but am in a bit of a panic.

I decided to skip 1709 and stay on 1703  Windows 10 Home.  I have been hiding the updates.

Sunday 2/29 made system images–Win 7 type and what I can figure out from Easeus Todo. I also hid 1709 for the 2nd time.

Today I searched for updates to hide, and there were none.

I unhid the MS office updates and went off metered connection, and it started to download 1709.  I quickly put it back on metered connection and all stopped–phew!  Then went to hide 1709 and it isn’t allowing me to hide it.

Am I stuck downloading to 1709?  Is there something I can do to stop it?

I switched to a Mac in Dec 2016 and appreciate the steadiness of it.  I swear I would love to throw this Windows 10 out the window, but need it for a few things for a while still.

Thanks, I will be user Irene when my registration password arrives.

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Check your spam/trash folder for the conformation email. Sometimes it ends up there.

If it doesn’t show up. emain Woody@askwoody.com with your ID and password and he can set it up for you.

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I had to email Woody–not in spam.  PKCano, do you know if I have to download 1709?

Thanks!

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There are ways to stop it if it is in the process of downloading, but it is difficult.

I have two suggestions:
1. If you have an image backup, I would disconnect from the Interned and restore the image. In the restored image, set Internet connections to “Metered” then connect to the Internet and use wushowhide to hide the upgrade.

2. If it has started the install, you can disconnect from the Internet and Rollback to the previous version when it finishes (keep your fingers crossed). Then follow the instructions in #1 to block the reinstallation.

Here are some suggestions for blocking updates

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PK Cano,

1. I am a bit confused by your answers.  It seems I have already sort of done what you suggested.  Or, please tell me if I am wrong?

a.I hid Win 10 1709 yesterday and looked for it today.  It wasn’t there.

After it tried to start to download, I stopped it by putting it on metered connection again, I did another search for 1709 to hide it. It doesn’t show up.

c.  I turned the computer off and restarted it. I did another search to hide 1709, and it isn’t there to hide.

The 3 or 5% of 1709 that started to download isn’t there anymore, but there is a statement of my needing to take the computer off metered connection and to try again. I haven’t.

b.I had/and have it set to metered.  I took it off only to install the MS office updates.

2. I have never restored a system image and am frightened by the attempt-I am a chemist type, but not computer saavy person, but suppose I could try.

I could easily do a system restore.

3.  In my programs installed there is something called Windows 10 Update and Privacy Settings.  Would removing this help me?  it was installed Sept. 2017.

Thanks,

Irene

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and, as stated earlier.  It is a Windows 10 Home.

Irene

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anonymous wrote:

b.I had/and have it set to metered. I took it off only to install the MS office updates.

By default, System Restore is off in Win10, unless you made it a point to turn it on.
When you took it off metered connections it started the download. You can try this:
+ Set Metered connections
+ Run Disk Cleanup\Cleanup System files. Check all the boxes. Let it run till it finishes, then reboot.
+ Be sure you are still on metered connections. Wait 10 minutes after login. Check wushowhide and if 1709 is there, hide it. Reboot
+ Open Windows Update – if it’s still downloading, let it finish. Before you reboot, remove the Internet connection. Let it finish the install.
+ When it finishes go to Settings\Update & security\Recovery\roll back to previous version.
+ When that is finished, if the Internet connections are not on Metered, immediately set to metered and use wushowhide to hide the upgrade.

All this may not be successful, but I hope it works.

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I turned system restore on when I bought it and set restore points constantly.

The update is not installed because I interrupted it at about 3%, and then shut down.  Then it told me to retry, the download did not work as far as I can tell.  I will do a System Restore to right after I woke the computer up today before hiding updates.  Reboot and then wait 10 minutes and search for 1709.  If that doesn’t work, I’ll do everything you suggested in the order you gave the directions.

I still haven’t gotten any stuff to sign in, but will be patient for Woody to respond.

Thank you,

Irene

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Dear PK Cano,

I could not find 1709 to hide it for a 3rd time.  I went to check on the updates after following your directions to that point and it just said there were updates to download–I had rehidden the MS Office updates.  I assume it is 1709 that is available to download.

I did not take it off metered connection to see what would happen because (1) I could not hide 1709 again, and (2) I thought perhaps giving the computer the night or a few hours for a break with it turned off might allow me to hide it early tomorrow morning.

Unless you have other suggestions, I will give it a break hoping I can hide it before it tries to download again and either grin and bear 1709, or succeed it delaying it.  I would like to get the other updates downloaded though.

I still can’t sign in although Woody said he set it up.  I have rewritten him.

Thank you, Irene

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Hello Irene,

Don’t get discouraged. The only W10 in the family started doing the same thing, and we didn’t want to upgrade, either, and is in the same situation. I was following along, hoping to learn from your experience…

Can’t wait to hear how it turns out… then, maybe I’ll give it a try…

I’m thinking we might have to let it download, and then restore to the earlier version… but if there is something else we could do that would work, it would be wonderful…

Back ups… it isn’t my computer… got to go remind… back up…

Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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If it upgrades there will be no Restore points (b/c it’s like a new installation) and System Restore will be off by default.

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Hello, I finally got logged in.  I was scouting what I might need to do if 1709 is downloaded and installed.  So, as directed by PKCano, I went to Settings\Update & security\Recovery\roll back to previous version”.

When I get there there is nothing that says roll back to previous version.

Will that only appear if 1709 is installed?  I am sorry to sound to computer illiterate, but MS either does it for us and bricks our computers or we are stuck a few days a month struggling on our Windows PCs losing time, as are all of you.

This is really pushing me to get all my old documents translated or moved to a FAT32 system so I can just use my Mac.

Thanks for your help! Irene

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Why, hello, Irene!

Your patience was rewarded… Welcome as a new Lounger!

I’m thinking you do have to let it download before it will offer to let you roll back… but remember, I’m waiting to see what PKCano says, too.

Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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Irene wrote:

Will that only appear if 1709 is installed?

I think that is the case. And you only have a short time (10 days maybe) to roll back.

Irene wrote:

This is really pushing me to get all my old documents translated or moved to a FAT32 system so I can just use my Mac.

I have been using Macs since 2011 with Windows in Parallels VMs. You don’t have to change anything with your documents. You can install Libre Office on a Mac (if you don’t want to buy Office for Mac) and it will deal with .doc, .docs, .xls, .xlsx, etc without any change – just copy the files from PC to Mac. Take a look at my topics here MacOS for Windows Wonks.

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Thanks for the info on Office Libre!

Many docs are on older MS formatted hard disks from my old days when I had many docs, logic tells me that office libre would work for those on my Mac also.  Am I correct?

I’m trying the updates again today, well before noon Redmond time.

If I succeed sending off 1709, I have a cumulative update question.  I thought KB4093117 was to replace KB4093432.  But, both appear in my hidden updates.  Should I just ignore KB4093432 and install the KB4093117?  If 1709 installs, it is just mute until I decide to rollback or stick with it.

Thank you

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KB4093432 is the servicing stack and KB4093117 is the cumulative update. The servicing stack needs to be installed first, which will be taken care of right if you use Windows Update (WU). If you do a manual install, install the servicing stack first.

The fact that the 1703 updates were hidden may have encouraged the upgrade (or maybe not).

Glad to see you finally got logged in.

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Hello PKCano–Curses to MS!  I let 1709 download and install.  Then I checked for updates to hide and the MS Office updates were there and silverlight and another couple.  I hid them.

As I looked over the installed programs, apparently just about everything was altered and all sorts of new computer hardware, etc., updated, that did not need to be updated, and if it did I would have gone to the manufacturers sites.

That aside, I saw System Restore was turned off and all restore points for my images gone.  I set up the system protection, created a restore point, checked for updates again to install the MS office updates.  Then looked again for updates hide.  Only the MS office ones were there because I hid the others.

I took it off metered connection to install the office updates and 1803 started to download!  Curses to MS.  I put it back on metered connection, turned off the internet, and restarted.  Obviously I can’t do a disk cleanup because it didn’t help last night and it might get rid of 1703.

I have to do some life-necessary things and then will try to roll back to 1703 tonight when home.  I hope it works.

My customer satisfaction has been gone since the first get windows 10 campaign downloaded the first campaign malware and corrupted my perfectly fine windows 7 beyond saving.  They have done nothing to restore my confidence, and continue to undermine it.

Most of my friends  and colleagues just have updates turned off on their home computers.  They make backups of data, and use good anti-malware.  They just don’t want to deal with updates anymore.  I have wasted at least 6 hours Sunday, Monday and today already.  The rewards of all this nonsense just don’t seem to begin to match the downsides of it all.

So, Elly, beware for your 1 Windows 10 at home!

T

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PKCano wrote:

+ When it finishes go to Settings\Update & security\Recovery\roll back to previous version.
+ When that is finished, if the Internet connections are not on Metered, immediately set to metered and use wushowhide to hide the upgrade.

Restore points are only for the current version – you upgraded. the restore points are the version that was there before.

Follow the above instructions to ROLLBACK to the previous version. Disconnect from the Internet while you Rollback.

But first, read Woody’s article about blocking 1803 – particularly the link to Mcbsys’s method. That should work for blocking 1709 as well once you are rolled back.

Forget trying to update Office. It’s going to get wiped out when you roll back to the earlier version anyway. Just get it back to 1703.

 

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@PKCano when you refer to Mcbsys’s post are you talking about his Win 7 registry key additions or the following (he has a lot of statements): ”

I can offer a workaround for the second question:  go to

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

and click Download tool now. Use the tool to create an offline USB installer for 1709. I always choose the option to create it for another PC, then create a combined 32-bit and 64-bit USB stick.”

If it is this I don’t understand how it would help me fend off 1709 or 1803.  Sorry about my not following what you are suggesting, but Woody’s article about fending off 1803 manly says Home users can try metered connections, but I have just shown that isn’t working with what I am going through.

I suppose when I get, if I get, back to 1703 I could try the mini tool for office updates and just ignore all other cumulative updates.  But once a Win 10 home is off it’s metered connection to download anything that 1709 jumps to the head of the line even if hidden and 1803 doesn’t even show to allow us to hide it, before it starts to install.

If I am totally missing Mcbsys’s method, could you just supply the link, please?

Thanks, Irene

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Read Woody’s article in ComputerWorld. He has a link in the article to a method @mcbsys used to stop a download and hide it with wushowhide. If you get rolled back to 1703, the method should work to stop the re-installation of 1709 as well.

You need to be aware of some things. 1703, 1709 and 1803 are different versions of Win10 (like Win7 and Win8.1) – not just updates. If you let your computer update to 1803 now, you will not be able to rollback to 1703. The rollback will be to the last version which is now 1709. So you need to do the rollback NOW, before 1803 gets a chance to install.

You should forget about making any changes, installing Office updates, changing settings, turning on System Restore in 1709 because everything you do will be wiped out if the rollback is successful.

 

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Hi
Ran standalone installer KB4093432 & 4093117.   Hidden KB4023057, 4023814 & 4056254.

1703 (15063.1058)

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PKCano wrote:

Read Woody’s article in ComputerWorld.

Okay, I was looking in the wrong Computer World article–the okay to update our versions of win 10.  I didn’t realize you were talking about the Avoiding 1803 article.

Your explanation of what the rollback to the last installed version clarifies something I did not understand.  And, I see if I roll back to 1703 now, I will be able to go to 1803 and roll back to 1703 if there is an issue with 1803.  At least,  it seems I do not have to install in sequence of 1703–> 1709 –>1803 as what happened to me today implies.  Am I correct on this?  Can I jump from 1703 to 1803?

I am going to wait to hear your answer to the last question above, and then think a bit more over one or two more days on either keeping it on 1709 (it does work) or rolling it back to 1703 the night after tomorrow (Don’t know if you are in the US, if so Thursday night).  I will use my Mac in the mean time.  If I decide to stay on 17o9 I’ll hide 1803 as described in Woody’s Article link regarding avoiding 1803.  If I roll back to 1703 then I will use that process to avoid and hide 1709 from installing.

Thank you for your patience! Irene

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Yes, you can go from 1703 directly to 1803. But if you let it update to 1803 now,  you will not be able to go back to 1703 because it only rolls back to the previous version and that will be the 1709 that’s currently installed. As a matter of fact, you could even wait another version and go from 1703 to 1809.

When you do a version update (actually an UPGRADE) is saves the old version in a folder called Windows.old – there can be only one of these, so it can only go back one step. If you roll back to 1703, then upgrade to 1803 down the road, it will put the 1703 in the Windows.old folder.

But if you go looking for updates by clicking “search for updates,” what it actually does is download and install, not just search. I think you found that out when 1803 showed up. What you use to search for updates (and hide the ones you don’t want) is wushowhide. That and metered connections are the only defense that Win10 Home users have.

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It did not destroy my restore points.

I am still working on the rest of your directions.

Thank you, Irene

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You won’t know until you try the fixes.

Wishing you the best.

Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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