Patch Lady – computers know when they are going to be replaced

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There are some fundamental truths in computing. Computers hear when you talk about replacing them and suddenly start doing weird things. When you are
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Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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[OscarCP]

“This server is a virtual machine and was housed along with a few others on an older HyperV server that I’m getting ready to retire. In a small environment I normally don’t join the HyperV (virtual server) to the domain, but had in this case”

Susan, Patch Lady: 3 AM is the Hour of the Wolf! So what else would you expect? I am surprised this did not happen earlier.

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I don’t normally install updates on that beast at 3 a.m.  It was a first.  It’s just workstations that I normally do that rebooting to.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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FYI: The Hour of the Wolf “is the hour when most people die. It is the hour when the sleepless are haunted by their deepest fear, when ghosts and demons are most powerful.”
And any servers that are still up and running often crash and are even known to die.

Ingmar Bergman made a movie about this problem.

So now you all know.

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Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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Fred, Nibbled To Death By Ducks

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Side note:”3 AM is the Hour of the Wolf!”

Aye! If you really want to go down that alley, try his “The Seventh Seal”! (Seriously a masterpiece. And Max Von Sydow has never been bad in anything.)

Good old Bergman! “Inga and Sven ordered a pizza; Death came to dinner!”

(I honestly don’t know which is more fun; his films or most Russian writers. </sarcasm>I got a healthy dose of both in my younger years rooming with a Film Arts & Lit major; by the end of the quarter, both of us were in quite a state.)

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[OscarCP]

NTDBD: “If you really want to go down that alley, try his “The Seventh Seal”! (Seriously a masterpiece…)”

And seriously creepy, too. If, with second intentions, a shy gent wanted to motivate a fair lady to jump into his arms, I would definitely recommend inviting her to watch it together, one dark and stormy night, sharing the couch.

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OscarCP wrote:

FYI: The Hour of the Wolf “is the hour when most people die. It is the hour when the sleepless are haunted by their deepest fear, when ghosts and demons are most powerful.”
And any servers that are still up and running often crash and are even known to die.

Ingmar Bergman made a movie about this problem.

So now you all know.

Do puters only speak english? if so, that’s quite a comfort, now I can rest.

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Fred: Language is not a problem these days: the Hour of the Wolf also has opened a Dutch branch: Uur van de Wolf.

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Fred

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Susan,

You have my full sympathies. This old head used to have hair before he got his hands on a computer.

I’ve been through several all-nighters involving a custom-built workstation with an attitude, some 3D CG animations and a deadline. It wasn’t pretty. Several of the team went on extended leave afterwards to have quiet nervous breakdowns on isolated island sunny beaches.

I’ve also played with neural networks (ANN) when they were all the big thing, and I swear the things got smarter the more you interacted with them. It really was alarming how fast these things picked up stuff, and eventually beat the pants off you in gaming situations.

There has to be some level on which they know exactly when to go toes up; gives a whole new meaning to the words “Machine Learning” and “Ethernet”.

Hang in there!

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Fred wrote:

Do puters only speak english? if so, that’s quite a comfort, now I can rest.

Sorry, no.

Once worked on a DEC AlphaStation that for some reason reverted to German any chance it got. And of course that wasn’t helped by it not speaking anything Intel-related in binary, either.

And an uncle once, long ago, had something with an Intel 8086 that wanted to use Danish.

Nibbled To Death By Ducks wrote:

There has to be some level on which they know exactly when to go toes up; gives a whole new meaning to the words “Machine Learning” and “Ethernet”.

Oh yes, I once had to take apart some Symbolics systems… surely you at least know what those do…

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I was having trouble with my W10 Home laptop that I needed to install unsigned driver which I had done before (Needs to be done on every update) just would not let me as it needed a bitlocker code.

As far as I know Home does not have bitlocker I knew nothing about it either, eventually found a 48 digit code in my MS account, did not know it was their never entered it.

Found on the laptop a item to decrypt drive it did so and was able to install drivers.

Some patch/update upset the C drive.

Peter

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As far as I know, there were some versions of Windows 10 Home that were specially modifed at the OEM’s request to have Bitlocker enabled… Dell, I think, though I could be wrong about that.

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For Bitlocker you need TPM chips (maybe enable them in BIOS/UEFI). Some older models are not supported by W10 as my own Latitude 6530 (thank you lord, i dont want it..). This autoenable Bitlocker seems to be big big issue, almost impossible for us mortals to get data back. Maybe IBM Watson could help..

Wish you luck in resolving issue. I thought Bitlocker is useful just for portable devices, where stealing HDD / SSD is possible. Why to enable bitlocker on desktop? Server to be exact?

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doriel wrote:

For Bitlocker you need TPM chips (maybe enable them in BIOS/UEFI)

ahem, not according to https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/6229/how-to-use-bitlocker-on-drives-without-tpm/

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Sorry, you are correct

For Bitlocker you need TPM chips (maybe enable them in BIOS/UEFI)

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doriel wrote:

Why to enable bitlocker on desktop? Server to be exact?

Servers can have lots of sensitive data. Some buildings have thin walls…

If you’re willing to have the server not come up by itself when power comes back on, it makes lots of sense to have disk encryption on it. This is even a requirement in some organizations.

(With some kinds of storage systems and lax maintenance or certain known-faulty disk management tools, it’s even possible to pull, clone and reinsert each disk individually without even causing a service interruption…)

And that’s not getting into iSCSI over insecure links.

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OscarCP wrote:

Death came to dinner

Thanks to you NibbledTDBDucks and OscarCP some nice time tonight with “The Seventh Seal”,
Though in the mean time during these Hours of the Wolves, when Susans problems were over, I recon, Windows_Store choosed to mingle with my CanonPrinter and had some printjobs for me…. weird thing happen, and times are changing

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[nvaert1986]

I can’t understand that people tolerate this **** from Microsoft. I’ve had similar issues with Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro and Microsoft Windows 10 Pro using Bitlocker on my laptop. Out of nowhere after updates the system prompted me for a key. I actually had the recovery key (as I intentionally enabled it on my laptop) and the keys on the various installations didn’t work (nicely documented with dates written on them). Verified it 4 times each time. This has happened 3 times already in the past…after updates…no more Microsoft Windows for me…

Oh and last week I performed updates on server and saw a domain controller refusing to authenticate after updates.

A few weeks before that a Microsoft Exchange Server that just plainly refused to work after updates, another Microsoft Exchange Server that lost ALL of it’s bindings in Microsoft Internet Information Services after updates. Another problem with a memory leak in IIS causing literally memoy exhaustion in Server 2016 etc. etc. It feels even worse than SBS. I remember in 2011 making backups with the Microsoft Windows Backup Manager in SBS, which didn’t backup the UEFI partition 😀 Just so much and stupid bugs

Well at least all of my problems have been solved so far by switching to Linux (running Gentoo) and am using LUKS for my home directory encryption and never had any single issue so far…

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So you joined it to the domain? You can store the recovery keys in AD (and in fact force a GPO which prevents BitLocker from encrypting the drive until the key is successfully backed up in AD.)

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