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The Windows Update Catalog suddenly lists 116 separate downloadable patches, dated either Aug 10 or 11. They weren’t there ten minutes ago. Details wi
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Group B Security-only Patches have been updated in AKB2000003.

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Wow. That was fast!

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Martin Brinkmann has published the August 2018 Patch Tuesday information on Ghacks:
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/08/14/microsoft-windows-security-updates-august-2018-release-overview/
Many thanks Martin from all at AskWoody!

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Win 8.1 x64. Since System Restore served me well in the past, I took one for the team and loaded 5 updates. All installed successfully.

Only detriment noticed so far was the loss of the Quick Launch folder on my toolbar. (That’s happened before). Put it back and all is well.

My Office 2013 updates outside of Windows updates. Hasn’t updated yet.

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@anonymous your a “Brave Soul” taking one for the team but ahh its Win8.1 they haven’t messed it up Yet! nor the patching yet! you’ll forgive my scepticism but I may not be joining you just yet, as everything else is still on hold round here.
I fired up Win10 Home 1803 VHD and WUMT went strait in to check mode, and “Bing Bang Boom” they were retrieved and hidden before Windoze Update had barely “Woke up” life is good for at least one OS round here, Win’s 7, 8.1, 10 Pro 1709 still have the “Sword of Damocles” hanging over them. You can work with them however as you have some control, and now the waiting game commences yet again. 😉

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Win 8.1 had a miss last month.  The Net update failed.   About a week later, Microsoft fixed it and it installed correctly.  Other than that, it has been smooth sailing on 8.1 x64.   So glad I made the move from 7 to 8.0 to 81.   Hopefully, I’m good up to 2023.

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BETA TEST

Peabody here reporting on Windows 7 x64 updates:

• Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool — August 2018 (KB890830)
• Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 (KB4345590)
• August Security Monthly Quality Rollup (KB4343900)

All installed without error and the system rebooted without error.

Please note that GWX Control Panel is installed to prohibit Windows 10 upgrade.

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Wish we could use Peabody’s Wayback Machine to go back to before the Patchocalypse began and prevent all the insanity that followed!

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MikeFromMarkham wrote:

Wish we could use Peabody’s Wayback Machine to go back to before the Patchocalypse began and prevent all the insanity that followed!

That’s what backups are for.

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Erhm… and “geekdom”?

Quick DuckDuck check suggests beautiful women or a coworking space in San Antonio???

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The .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, & 4.7.2 patch for Windows 7 that Windows Update is pushing, and what listed in the catalog, is KB4345590.

Note that i’ve had Windows 7 July Sec-Only and .Net (4.72 here) patches in here on four systems since almost day one with zero issues. All have set static IP addy’s too. (DHCP service is disabled).

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Win 7. Group A.  For me,the monthly .Net security and Quality roll up KB 4345590 appears with the box checked and the .Net update KB 4343900 appeared unchecked. If all the bugs in the July updates are still not fixed, then they are still in the Aug. updates. It would appear that the hole we are in just keeps getting deeper and deeper and more confusing than ever. If they don’t pull them and fix them before releasing a new monthly update, they’re just going to carry over and over to the next month and that hole is gonna be so deep we’re all going to be speaking Chinese and the the problem will go on forever. Ignorance and stupidity that cannot be denied.

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KB4343900 is the Security Monthly Quality Rollup.

Just checked for updates on my system and it is “checked” as well as the .NET KB4345590.

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My bad, misread the numbers. Thanks for the catch.

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The Win10 1703, 1709 and 1803 patches still list this known bug:

After you install any of the July 2018 .NET Framework Security Updates, a COM component fails to load because of “access denied,” “class not registered,” or “internal failure occurred for unknown reasons” errors. The most common failure signature is the following:

Exception type: System.UnauthorizedAccessException

Message: Access is denied. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80070005 (E_ACCESSDENIED))

So it looks like MS still hasn’t fixed the .NET bugs from last month.

How widespread is this problem (eg does it mainly apply to corporate installs, but not so much Home Users)?  Trying to determine if it is worth a risk to install August if only this problem.

Going to be another long, question filled month if this one item holds us up again.

 

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These net issues have been fixed in the August updates.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Maybe I am missing something, but the only patches I can see for Windows 7 x64 are the usual ones: Security Only, S&Q Rollup and IE11 Security, plus several .NET patches. I am certainly not installing any of that for at least several weeks. (Group B, already fully patched through July (except for the .NET updates) and without problems).

Also: why is it that there are no patches for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 7?

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Adobe Flash patches are not built in to IE11 in Win7 (as they are in Win8.1 and Win10). Updates have to be downloaded from the Adobe website and installed. They have never been offered through Windows Update for Win7.

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I wish they never bundled them 🙂

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Yeah, me too.

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OscarCP wrote:

why is it that there are no patches for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 7?

I see @oscarcp has already found AKB1000002: Links to Flash update resources, but for those that haven’t, you can find the Flash information/security bulletins and links there.

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Group A, Win 7X64,  AMD, Home Premium,  home user.  Took everything offered.  No problems, no slow down.  I never down loaded any of the previews which were not offered this month.  Never downloaded snoop update KB664.

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KB4343909 installed I rebooted but in installed updates list the update failed? Got error code  0x8007139f?

 

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August Security Monthly Quality Rollup (KB4343900)?

What is your operating system?

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That’s the August Win7 Rollup

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I’m trying to get clarification for KB4343909: “KB4343909 installed I rebooted but in installed updates list the update failed? Got error code  0x8007139f?”

Did KB4343900 get typed incorrectly by jescott418?

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3909 is a win 10 patch

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ae/help/4343909/windows-10-update-kb4343909

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OK. KB4343909 is listed as the .Net Rollup for .Net 3.5 and 4.7.2 on Win10 1803. See .NET pages.

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Not to argue, but the 3909 patch has about 10 “Improvements and Fixes” associated with it, one of which is a .NET fix.

Might make a difference in trying to figure out the error code jescott418 is getting.

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You are correct. KB4343909 is the August CU for 1803 which also contains the .NET patches.

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In this MS world of never-ending change and upheaval, it is good to see that one thing is constant and reliable – W10 will have the most vulnerabilities.

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samak wrote:

In this MS world of never-ending change and upheaval, it is good to see that one thing is constant and reliable – W10 will have the most vulnerabilities.

Thats because MicroSoft, in it’s infinite wisdom, keeps Windows 10 in a constant state of broken by either applying more layers of lipstick on the W10 pig or changing the color of the lipstick already applied.

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Running 1709 here, just made 2 backups and might take one for the team and update. I manually update 3 machines running 1709 here, 2 haven’t been online in a few months so I haven’t bothered updating them. Typing this from the most current build here, 16299.492 (June 2018). I did install the July and August Flash updates as Flash is a scary security hole IMO.

Question: Since I skipped the July CU update, do I need to install the July servicing stack update KB4339420 before the August CU KB4343897?

Windows Update MiniTool is also offering me the following plus the usual MSRT:

1. KB4134661 (May)

2. KB4056254 (July)

3. KB4023057 (August)

4. KB4295110 (August)

I don’t think I’ll ever install #1 or #2, but could #3 and #4 be fixes if the manual CU update fails, or is it just more potential prep for 1803 upgrade?

 

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Schnarph wrote:

Question: Since I skipped the July CU update, do I need to install the July servicing stack update KB4339420 before the August CU KB4343897?

Yes, I would install the servicing stack first and reboot.

The other four, according to my notes, are aimed at resetting your update settings and upgrading you. Susan covered the last two in this post. If I were you – I wouldn’t.

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Thanks, that’s what I figured. I only moved from 7 to 10 this year, manually installing servicing stack updates and cumulative updates is kinda new to me. My internet is very slow with a small allowance, it’s easier to download the full CU on my phone once and install manually on each machine one at a time. As the CU size grows each month, the next version upgrade (1803) becomes more tempting. I could use the Deltas but with superseded CU’s and delayed patching it’s not worth it. I’m sooo glad I don’t have to maintain a WSUS for Windows 10, that must be painful.

As for the other 4, that’s also what I figured. Those are the Windows 10 version of 7’s WinX prep updates. While I’m not really scared of 1803, I’ll do it when I’m ready to spare the expected downtime for troubleshooting. I’m also waiting until I can download the ISO on my phone from somewhere like windowsiso.net, the MediaCreationTool will never work with my home internet.

Thanks again, will report results after installing the August 1709 updates, hopefully by tomorrow.

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Please let us know how it works out if you update.  Fingers crossed.

One other question, how do you get Windows 10 to install multiple KB’s?  Do they show as separate updates in your WUpdater?  Or are you planning a manual install?

Thx

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I check for them with Windows Update MiniTool, select the “Update Support URL” link which goes to the relevant support.microsoft.com address, go down to the Microsoft Update Catalog link, download the update flavor for my PC (Windows 10 1709 for 64 bit), and install manually the MSU from an elevated command prompt like this:

wusa LOCATION-OF-MSU:\NAME-OF-UPDATE.msu

LOCATION-OF-MSU = D (in my case)

NAME-OF-UPDATE = that should be obvious. I did learn you don’t have to type it all out though, just “wusa D:\” then start hitting shift until the file you want appears, it goes round-robin through each file/folder in the fist specified location (D:\).

However, in this case, Windows Update MiniTool did not list the July servicing stack, and I don’t really know if it installs a Delta update like WU or a full CU as I’ve not used it for CU installs. I’ve done manual CU installs since moving to 10. One machine here is still Win7, group A but delayed until under MSDEFCON 1, which uses WU the “normal” way.

 

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That’s not how I actually DL the KB’s, but it’s my advice if your home/business internet is better than mine. I “Google” the KB on my phone and download it from Microsoft Update Catalog, move it to USB, and the rest is the same.

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Wow, so many typo’s and grammar errors, but the important thing is it’s TAB not Shift to scroll through the folders and executables when using command prompt.

Anyways, I’m up to date (1709 build 16299.611) and nothing is worse than before, but I haven’t tested much really, just came back to post I’m not BSOD and correct my previous post mistakes.

What’s the cutoff on this forum for editing a post, 10 minutes?

Edit: Update: after installing the SS KB4339420 and CU KB4343897, Windows Update MiniTool no longer offers KB4295110 which I didn’t hide, want, or install. That’s odd and somewhat troubling, not sure if WU or WUMT is too blame.

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Interestingly, I had KB4295110 hidden with wushowhide, but as of now it is no longer listed.

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Question: Win 7 32-bit, last month installed the security-only patch and the (full) .NET one with no issues, but to avoid any future ones should I now separately install the fixes, 4345459 and/or 4346407, or are they included in this month’s, 4343899 and 4344146?

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Security-only patches are not cumulative. So last month’s is not included in the current month. If you have not installed the fix, you should do so.

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Ok, so this month’s list is 4345459, 4343899, 4343205 and 4344146, got it. Thanks.

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The big bumer is the security patch for MS SQL Server offered by Windows Update, but available only to SQL Server 2016/2017. The CVE page (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-us/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2018-8273) claims that SQL versions not listed are no longer supported.

Note If your SQL Server version number is not represented in the table below, your SQL Server version is no longer supported. Please upgrade to the latest Service Pack or SQL Server product in order to apply this and future security updates.

Well! SQL Server 2014 SP2 support ends in 2024 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search/1044).

Let Microsoft kiddies run the show and a lot fun is granted.

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It’s entirely possible SQL 2014 is not vulnerable.  I’ll ask around.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Win7 64 Pro

I have some issues with Task Scheduler. As a part of the long list of checks and tests trying to get it working, I noticed .Net Service was not running. “What the h…”, I thought, may as well try a test installation of the updates that have been sitting in the tray for over a month. “That’s interesting”, I thought “.NET 4.7.2 is sitting there waiting to be installed”. Maybe install that first.

After the installation and without the .NET updates Chrome started giving a ‘waiting for cache’ message and loaded nothing.

.NET uninstalled, Chrome is back in business but I am wondering whether there’s a need to install .NET plus the updates to overcome the Chrome problems or whether it was connected with a clash between Cybereason’s RansomFree and ZoneAlarm’s Anti-Ransomware. I don’t recall installing the latter (must have gone in as part of the package). this was discovered by a warning it would be affected by the uninstall of .NET.

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Patch Lady Susan here with a late Tuesday evening update to this post:  Microsoft has updated the known issues section and removed the sections about the .NET/COM errors that were listed in July.  In my early testing I haven’t seen side effects but I will be doing more testing/more watching.  So for now hang loose and test and wait.  Clearly they messed up the documentation in this month’s release and copied and pasted the text from July’s releases.   The only known issues left are the ones with Exchange (make sure you install with admin rights) and the missing OEM note in Windows 7 (shown below).  In ALL of my Windows 7 testing I have had zero issues and my understanding this network interface problem is limited to VMware (virtual machine) installs.  Thus I don’t anticipate that we will see this on normal machines.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Windows 10. Updated and so far no issues.

samak wrote:

In this MS world of never-ending change and upheaval, it is good to see that one thing is constant and reliable – W10 will have the most vulnerabilities.

It kinda makes sense. Microsoft has more resources and tools now to find vulnerabilities. It’s better for the user that a vulnerability is discovered by Microsoft (be them 100 or 200) than a vulnerability be discovered by a malicious person.

Overall, I feel this makes Windows 10 actually more secure.

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Macrium Image at ready —- Uneventful W7-64 Update w/ 1 extra Re-Start: Aug Quality Rollup, .Net Frmwk, MSRT, (4) ’10 Office .

System seems as fast as ever w/ 1-Re-Start vs sometimes sluggish until more Re-Starts are made. Good luck to All!!

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As expected, I am right now getting this update plus a hige Office 365-update and an obligatory update for Onedrive at the same time. Which moron invents such monthly tortures??? So tured of all this 🙁

Hm, correction: seems ‘only’ OneDrive and not a 365-update this time. Phew.

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I’m a member of a newly created group of engineers and scientists to do professional ad-hoc scientific studies for the public good. During our meeting last night, the decision was taken to use LibreOffice. Microsoft’s recent history played a decisive role in this decision. This was cinched when one of our members clicked the “Contact Us” on the Microsoft Support page and got a “404 Error”.

Our group decision will not affect Microsoft in any way.

Microsoft has got to stop inflicting these poor-quality updates and turning their backs on their clients. The “404 Error” perfectly describes Microsoft in quality and support – absent.

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Unless constrained by corporate dictates, folks here use whatever packages work for them and tend to provide the advantages and disadvantages of each option.

Support, consistent support is a biggie, along with operability.

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I have tried searching for the answer to problems on the support pages. When the bot couldn’t come up with the correct problem/answer to the search, I have chosen to chat with support agent. And waited for hours without the chat being connected.

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I cut my teeth on Office. I’ve moved almost all of my work to Google Docs. The only exceptions are the very few folks (including my book publisher) who insist on getting an Office file.

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New .NET side issue 😀
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4458166/applications-that-rely-on-tls-1-2-strong-encryption-experience-connect

We have temporarily suspended offering the Windows 10, version 1803 update to customer systems that run applications for which this is known to be an active problem.

It affect all .NET versions upto 4.7.2

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Please continue this conversation here:

https://www.askwoody.com/2018/microsoft-is-no-longer-pushing-version-1803-onto-machines-that-use-tls-1-2/

 

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Microsoft does not provide a general overview of resolved security issues anymore on support pages

Of course not.

It’s part of the Guiding principles:

“Be transparent. To simplify the deployment of Windows 10 in large enterprises or small businesses, you should have access to as much information as you need…”

Sigh.

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Windows 10 x64 Pro cumulative update and Visual Studio 2017 15.8.0 installed here today on my Win 10 test system…

windows10.0-kb4343909-x64_f931af6d56797388715fe3b0d97569af7aebdae6.msu
752 megabytes!

Took about 5 minutes for the Windows Update to bring the system up to date. All went well, smooth as silk.

Fitness testing for my use (desktop software development, business management) has turned up no problems.

-Noel

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I didn’t see it mentioned, but these updates reportedly fix 2 zero day vulnerabilities.  So, that aspect will need to be tossed into the calculus in deciding whether to update.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/14/august_bank_holiday/

“Among the highest priorities are a pair of zero-day bugs that are right now being exploited in the wild to compromise victims’ Windows PCs”

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I have been unable to install KB4339420.  Anyone else?  Windows 10 x64 Enterprise Edition.

I have deleted the Software Distribution folder no change.

Also ran the Windows Update Troubleshooter no change.

Error code is 0x800f0922

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KB4339420 is Win10 1709 2018-7 servicing stack.

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I am sorry.  It is this KB.  KB4343909

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The reference is to the 2018-8 CU for Win10 1803. what question did you have about this update?

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I posted already above, it fails to install.
I have been unable to install KB4339420.  Anyone else?  Windows 10 x64 Enterprise Edition.
I have deleted the Software Distribution folder no change.
Also ran the Windows Update Troubleshooter no change.
Error code is 0x800f0922

Edit to remove HTML. Please use the “Text” tab in the entry box when you copy/paste.

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There is some confusion here.

KB4343909 in your post above is the 2018-8 CU for Win10 v 1803

KB4339420 in the second post is the 2018-7 servicing stack for Win10 v 1709

anonymous wrote:

Windows 10 x64 Enterprise Edition.

You don’t say which version of Win10 you are running.
If you are running v1803, KB4339420 will not install b/c it is the wrong version.

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in your post above is the 2018-8 CU for Win10 v 1803

Cant install this update.

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anonymous wrote:

I have been unable to install KB4339420. Anyone else? Windows 10 x64 Enterprise Edition.

KB4339420 is not for for Win10 version 1803.

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KB4343909 is not available for Win10 v1803 running any TLS 1.2 apps because of a problem in the .Net patches included. See this post.

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anonymous wrote:

in your post above is the 2018-8 CU for Win10 v 1803

Cant install this update.

You need to get your info in order and be more complete in your description. A bona fide expert has tried to help you and you have repeatedly refused to give any more useful information.

EXACTLY what KB did you try to install into EXACTLY what Windows version? The bitness matters too (32 bit or 64 bit).

EXACTLY what went wrong? Give a blow by blow description of how you initiated the update, what you saw in what order, and where it listed that error code.

The EXACT version you’re running matters if you’re trying to install a KB yourself from the catalog.

Why are you intent on installing this update while Woody’s MS-DEFCON level is at 2?

Finally… You say you’re running Enterprise. What does your IT organization say about installing these updates?

-Noel

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I am running Win 7 Professional 32-bit.  I have always installed the patches as soon as they are released.  And I have never had problems with a quick install.  This month I held back on KB4345590 (.NET) and KB4343900 (Win 7) to see what would be reported here.  I did install an  MSE definition update and the monthly MRT.exe .  The only problem I had was this: Windows Update tells me that it is creating a restore point and then does not tell me when the patches are being installed.  I could tell from the Task Manager when MRT was running and when it had ended.  And I have a script to parse the c:\windows\window~1.log file to tell me when the MSE definition updates are installed.  I keep a manual log of all changes I make to the machine.  At 12:09 the MSE update was installed, and at 12:18 the MRT.exe started running.   At 15:11 the Windows Update window still had the status “Creating restore point..”, and I had to click on “Stop installation”.  I knew that MRT had already finished.  I have no idea why Windows Update did not finish and tell me that I still had two Important updates to install.

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Hi,

First time user here. I would appreciate if you could help me with my Windows Update issue.

I am unable to install the monthly quality rollups on my Windows 7 Premium Home SP1 32 bit PC. The July updates 4338818 and 4338821 didn’t install and neither has the August one KB 4343900. I always get Error 8000FFFF. I am able to install all other .net and Microsoft Office updates without any issues.

I have already run SFC and CHKDISK with no errors. Also the Windows Update troubleshooter which fixed issues. I am unable to install the System Update Readiness tool for some reason though. I have also tried to install the quality rollups manually by downloading them from the Microsoft website and install the msu, but the same error pops up. I have also tried to install the rollup after doing a clean boot but to no avail.

I would really appreciate if you could help me and provide a solution to this issue. Thanks in advance.

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I can’t help, but I know where there are specialists, who deal with this sort of thing. Go to sysnative.com and register there. Create a thread in the Windows Update forum after doing the “Posting Instructions” there. They solved the same error issue on the W7 cumulative at this link:
https://www.sysnative.com/forums/windows-update/25315-windows-7-error-8000ffff-installing-kb4093118.html I think they can help you out, too. Good luck John

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JohnJonas

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Reporting on the KB4343898 Patch for Server 2012 R2, it crashed the OS and had to be taken off.

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columbia2011

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With what error BSOD occurred? When were last updates?

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Win 8.1 x64 loaded KB’s

KB4343902  Adobe Flash
KB4345592  Net Framework
KB890830   Malicious software removal
KB4343898  Security Monthly
KB2267602  Windows Defender

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