Problem with email and Win8

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Not sure if this is the right forum, but unable to find one more relevant.

I have run in to a problem whilst searching for an email client for Win 8.

Neither Outlook Express nor Windows Mail is available, and webmail is not wanted. I took a look at Windows Live Mail, but was put off by the statement that my mail stays on their server until I delete it, thus creating unnecessary work – plus there is the suspicion that it doesn’t even download to my PC – in which case it’s no more than webmail. Where the name ‘live’ comes from is a mystery. Deciding to look into this, the requirement to open a MS account appeared, at which point I logged off.

Further searching failed to produce a viable alternative, so I returned to Live Mail to take another look. A big mistake!

Not only did I have to install .Net 3.5, but Live Mail is lumped in with four other junk products as Windows Essentials. Despite clicking ‘choose which to install’ and selecting only Mail all five installed. I have been able to remove Live Messenger, but it seems the others can only deleted with the whole of WE. But prior to this I began reading about the MS account when disaster struck. I thought I was scrolling down to the next part of the terms, but must have caught the AGREE link, because it started downloading, or perhaps MS is so desperate for custom that it ignores one’s choices, as with the download of all of WE.

Of course I can uninstall Live Mail along with the rest of WE, but how to get rid of the MS account once it has been opened, and so stop them spying on me and selling my email to anyone willing to pay. Both MS and Google are striving to dominate the internet, and can not be trusted.

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You might check out link below:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=windows%208%20hunderbird%20and%20postbox&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CD8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwindowssecrets.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%2F149936-Readers-recommend-Thunderbird-alternatives&ei=nxNiUfWcLdK24APmqYDYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGE1QU0UEpbFed7NO-R9htuh_SQcw

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You might check out link below:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=windows%208%20hunderbird%20and%20postbox&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CD8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwindowssecrets.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%2F149936-Readers-recommend-Thunderbird-alternatives&ei=nxNiUfWcLdK24APmqYDYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGE1QU0UEpbFed7NO-R9htuh_SQcw

Thanks. Pegasus Mail sounded interesting, until a later posting said that security hasn’t been updated for years. However, I may give it a try if nothing else turns up.

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Thanks. Pegasus Mail sounded interesting, until a later posting said that security hasn’t been updated for years. However, I may give it a try if nothing else turns up.

Pegasus Mail is an ongoing project and is developing a Windows 8 native App as well as a Pro version. Don’t believe the posting which says they haven’t updated in many years. Recent developments in Pegasus Mail are posted here and discussed here .

This wikipedia article has inaccurate information about the latest developments in Pegasus Mail. Maybe this is where the Windows Secrets Lounge post got its wrong impressions.

In the Thread referenced in your Post, there is no later entry which makes any mention of Pegasus security. I’ve reread the thread twice to make sure I didn’t miss something there.

Listings here and at similar CVE listing sites do not reflect unpatched vulnerabilities. In fact, these sites don’t remove CVE reports when patches are applied to products. I might add for comparison, that even Internet Explorer 10 has several CVE reports inherited from earlier IE versions, which have never been patched, even though they have existed for years.

Pegasus Mail is not a dead or abandoned project, unlike Thunderbird, which has been abandoned. Thunderbird is not a Google product and has never been. It was a project of the Mozilla Foundation, which is not part of Google.

But if you think you may ever need your email under Linux, you are out of luck. Pegasus Mail uses a proprietary mailbox format which is very difficult to export into any email client used by Linux.

-- rc primak

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Listings here and at similar CSV listing sites do not reflect unpatched vulnerabilities. In fact, these sites don’t remove CSV reports when patches are applied to products. I might add for comparison, that even Internet Explorer 10 has several CSV reports inherited from earlier IE versions, which have never been patched, even though they have existed for years.

CSV=Comma-Separated Values
CVE=Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures

Bruce

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CSV=Comma-Separated Values
CVE=Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures

Bruce

Typos acknowledged and fixed. Thank you.

-- rc primak

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George,

When you choose Delete in the WLM main window it does get deleted from the server. After you have reviewed all your mail, saved the mail you wish to save in the appropriate folder and deleted everything you do not wish to save, just click on the X after the Trash folder and banish all deleted mail forever.

I do not see this as extra work, but organizing my email to allow me to find a certain email after the fact.

See if this thread in a Windows 8 Forum helps. Windows Mail can be enabled in Win 8.

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George,

When you choose Delete in the WLM main window it does get deleted from the server. After you have reviewed all your mail, saved the mail you wish to save in the appropriate folder and deleted everything you do not wish to save, just click on the X after the Trash folder and banish all deleted mail forever.

Ted,
That doesn’t sound too tedious, I had imagined that one had to log on to the server and delete the files one by one, as when accessing mail from an ISP when on holiday.

However, there is still the suspicion that the files do not download to my PC but remain on the server, whereas I want the files I am going to keep on my PC and organised in the relevant folders in My Docs, NOT in the cloud. Also, WLM demands a MS account, which I have avoided until the unfortunate mishap yesterday, and my main concern at the moment is how to cancel it, both with MS and all the companies they share it with.

Thanks for the link to the thread in the Lounge – my attempt, using ‘email for Windows 8’ as the search entry only looked for ‘mail’ and ‘Windows’, deluging me with irrelevant posts. But bobprimark has doubts about the legality of the procedure, and it’s somewhat disconcerting that your current link only produced two responses, one finding it a godsend and the other unable to make it work, apart from confusing me with references to Program Files and Program Files (x86). You may recall that the security of my laptop is still uncertain, due to being installed from the Philippines (you and –Bill were the most helpful in that regard) and I want to avoid any further complications by reverse engineering. But once again, many thanks for all your help.

George

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Maybe it doesn’t work the same here (USA) as it does in London (UK) but here, GMail is the easiest one to use. I set it up all the time for my clients and once set up in a local email program, like O.E, Windows Mail or Thunderbird, they love it.

Getting your email ON your computer, instead of having to go after it (webmail) is the best way to go.
Using XP and O.E.6, I get my email every three minutes all day long, as long as my PC remains ON. I can actually carry on a conversation with someone via email. And, I never have to wait more than three minutes for a receipt for an internet purchase, etc.

And GMail is still FREE!

The Doctor

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Are you setting up your own e-mail server? If not, you’re going to have an online e-mail account through your ISP, or Hotmail or Google…which is all webmail.

There are settings in virtually every e-mail Client; like Outlook Express, MS Live, Thunderbird, etc., to set your system to download the messages and delete them off the server at the same time.

Unless I’m way off base no reputable e-mail client, including Hotmail and Google, will ever sell your information to anyone. There are lots of articles on how to spam-proof your e-mail box, and how to safeguard your system with a decent password.

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@BigMac56 No, I’m not setting up a server. Yes, I want to continue with an online e-mail account through my ISP, but for that one needs OE or Windows Mail – both of which are unavailable to Win 8 – or something similar, where the choice seems to be quite restricted.

There are settings in virtually every e-mail Client; like Outlook Express, MS Live, Thunderbird, etc., to set your system to download the messages and delete them off the server at the same time.
That’s what I wish to continue, but from what I’ve read that may not be available in WLM.
Google and Hotmail reputable? LOL.

@ jwitalka Jerry, I was informed when installing Win 8 that one had to use IMAT as POP3 was not available. I certainly hope you are right about this, but have no idea how to set it up, as clicking on Mail brings up a message that I need to open a MS account, and having accidentally downloaded WLM it now insists that I open an account.

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@ jwitalka Jerry, I was informed when installing Win 8 that one had to use IMAT as POP3 was not available. I certainly hope you are right about this, but have no idea how to set it up, as clicking on Mail brings up a message that I need to open a MS account, and having accidentally downloaded WLM it now insists that I open an account.

That was for the native Windows 8 Metro mail client. POP or IMAP are not OS features, they are email client features, so any client that supports POP will allow you to access your email accounts using POP.

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Are you using a pop mail account? If so, you don’t need a to log in to a Microsoft account with Windows Live Mail and the downloaded Email doesn’t remain on a server unless you check that option in advanced settings. It works just like Outlook express in that regard.

Jerry

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George, why not Thunderbird?

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George, why not Thunderbird?

George,
In post #2, I refrained from sharing my own personal preferences but John259 raises a good question. I found Thunderbird to be the closest email client to Outlook Express. I had been using T-Bird since the days of XP but recently switched to Postbox, which works nicely in Windows 7 and Windows 8.
Check out the link below:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=thunderbird%20versus%20postbox&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postbox-inc.com%2Fthunderbird_switch&ei=nxhjUfjkK-LH0QHvo4G4Dg&usg=AFQjCNG0JVAsPrpsidIV8oUW52Ttj9P8qA&bvm=bv.44770516,d.dmQ

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George, why not Thunderbird?

Two reasons. Firstly Google are apparently leaving TB to wither on the vine, and secondly I tried it some years ago and hated it. As far as I can remember it was because of all the space filled with rubbish down the left hand side. That is probably irrelevant with the modern fashion for wide screens – which I deplore – and I may well give it another try.
Thanks for regularly coming to my assistance.

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As RUI indicated, the need to use IMAP is only fro the Metro Mail App. If you download and install Windows Live Mail on the desktop, you just need to run it and it will ask you to add a new account. This can be POP as well as IMAP. If you already installed an IMAP account., just delete it.

Jerry

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Rui + Jerry. Thanks for the clarification, it seems that most of what I read about Win 8 prior to installing it related to the Mickey Mouse interface, or perhaps I only remembered the things that would add complications.

Thunderbird has now been installed and seems a reasonable replacement for OE. The only difficulty was finding how to delete emails, as I was looking in the usual place at the top of the page. Now WLM can be uninstalled along with the rest of Windows Essentials, and just hope that the MS account was not activated as I didn’t set a password or user name.

So the whole issue was just needless hassle which would have been avoided if my memory was better. Your help is very much appreciated, as usual.

George

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The only difficulty was finding how to delete emails

There are various ways, including:
with the relevant message selected, press the Delete button on the keyboard;
or:
right-click the relevant message, then select the Delete option from the resulting menu (probably the bottom-most option)

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Try Eudora 7 – IMO still the best as long as you don’t have to deal with some foreign fonts. Works fine on 7 and 8.

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Try Eudora 7 – IMO still the best as long as you don’t have to deal with some foreign fonts. Works fine on 7 and 8.

I like Eudora, but I also prefer free over paid solutions, all else being comparable. Pegasus Mail works with Windows XP, 7 and 8, and it’s free , portable and robust. That’s all I need from an email client now.

The Linux issue is in my future when I dump (er, recycle) my Windows XP laptop and get a tablet or Smart-TV stick, but that’s another problem for another day. By then, maybe someone will have a decent free Android App for a local email client. (like this one , only better)

-- rc primak

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I’m jumping from A to Z here, and I would like to respond to this quote:

I have run in to a problem whilst searching for an email client for Win 8.
Neither Outlook Express nor Windows Mail is available, and webmail is not wanted.

Yes, our good ol’ friend from yesteryear, “Outlook Express” is GONE. But, Windows Mail is what I call O.E. on steroids and can be set up to look like and work like O.E. with a minimum of effort. I do it all the time.

Windows Mail worked just GREAT in Vista, but for some devious reason it was left in Windows 7 but disabled.
By transplanting the MSOE.DLL file from Vista to Win-7, Windows Mail could be re-activated. I’ve done that on many Windows 7 PC’s where the user wanted their old O.E. back again.

Enter the dragon! Windows 8. Again Windows Mail can be re-activated, but there is another .dll file that has to be added to the Windows Mail folder as well as the MSOE.DLL file.
I’ve done it and it does work, but it’s not that easy for the average user to accomplish.

Another email program that does work OK in both Windows 7 and 8 is Mozilla Thunderbird.
It’s just enough different than O.E. or Windows Mail to make setup a bit tricky for the untrained user.
But, I’ve installed it, set it up and used it, and it DOES work good.

Good Luck and Happy Computing!
The Doctor

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Use the email address that your web service provider provides – usually as webmail or accessed by an email client such as Mozilla Thunderbird. Or buy a domain name (yourname.com, etc) and hosting for it for about £20$30 and you can set up as many email addresses as it allows, also usually accessed as webmail or by using an email client. That way you have your own private email address(es) for next to nothing.

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