So what, exactly, is the new KB 4315567 “Compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10 version 1803”?

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The KB article says basically nothing: This update makes improvements to ease the upgrade experience to Windows 10 Version 1803. Supposedly it’s for W
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That’s not for Enterprise per my read.  One of these days hopefully they will fix the OEM partition problem whereby it gets assigned a drive letter during the upgrade process.  They slide all these fixes in these compat patches.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Duh up at the top it has “Applies to: Windows 10 Enterprise version 1803 “

But that makes no sense as many Enterprises deploy feature releases via SCCM or WSUS and do not use Windows update.

Showcasing that documentation is horrible is pretty much all this KB tells me.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan may be right, but it’s not what the KB says (Woody nailed it; it says nothing of what such an article NEEDS to say).

We shouldn’t have to learn the special Microsoft double talk to understand what they’re wanting to do to our systems. And we shouldn’t be led so bluntly to wonder what it is they’re trying to hide by under-documenting such things.

Microsoft may feel that it doesn’t matter WHAT they say about Windows 10 patches, since philosophically you’re either “in” or you’re “not” with Windows 10. I’d hate to be a sysadmin trying to think about Win 10 patches piecemeal nowadays. That was possible for a few releases, but now… Not so much. When the maker of the OS wants it to be WaaS (Windows their way), that’s what we’re going to get. Make no mistake, having everything cumulative allows them to make sweeping changes and take software shortcuts that mean we just can’t divide things up no matter how much sense it seems to make.

Better hope they figure out how to get it right every time, because we know who pays if they don’t.

-Noel

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Amen Noel, well stated!

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HiFlyer

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how much of this nonsense are people going to put up with? the vendor-lock is strong with microsoft but eventually people are going to be forced to completely switch.

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Most folks – even very tech-savvy ones – can’t switch on a whim.

Let’s say you’re running a business. You have an established market (selling to, say, other Windows users). And you have an established way of working (with multiple systems running the Windows tools and server features you have chosen to base your business on).

You’re productive and you get real work done every day.

Further, let’s assume you don’t have a big budget or extra man-hours to develop a replacement strategy because business NEVER makes enough money to be that comfortable…

You’ve developed all this because of a LIFETIME of experience with Microsoft’s productivity software. And you’ve been happy over the past decade because of just how stability and productivity have increased.

Now Microsoft is going in a new direction, with apparently a lowering of their commitment to quality and productivity. Maybe they HAVE to do this because they feel the world is changing and they need to make it much less expensive to engineer their software. Or maybe they read the book “Break It Thinking: If it works, break it.”

Will we users be willing to bend back toward an era where we couldn’t trust the technical quality of our systems (Remember blue screens and system freezes)? I suspect so.

We used to live with a LOT less system quality before the mid-00s, and we still somehow got work done.

I believe most people who make money with computers will hang with Microsoft until at least close to the bitter end, because most cannot HOPE to change to an entirely different business model without potentially business-ending difficulty.

-Noel

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Noel Carboni wrote:

Now Microsoft is going in a new direction, with apparently a lowering of their commitment to quality and productivity. Maybe they HAVE to do this because they feel the world is changing and they need to make it much less expensive to engineer their software.

If they can’t afford the quality assurance, then they should stop introducing all the new bugs.  More changes to code means more bugs will be introduced, and it necessitates more QA testing– no way around it.  They had a stable code base (that of Windows 8.1) that was a lot more bug-free than Windows 10 has ever been before they started.  They’ve made it buggy by constantly messing with the code base, introducing features just for the sake of it, things no one wanted or asked for, while the version of Windows that hasn’t gotten any new features since SP1 in 2011 continues to outstrip it in popularity and stability (though they’re working on that last one, backporting Windows 10 levels of stability to 7).

 

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I take that as double talk meaning if you’re not on 1803, be prepared to have it crammed down your throat at any time.  KB-4315567 = Update Assistant ( Different Approach ). Just guessing based on MS’s less than stellar track record.

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I´m sorry my question, but i don’t understand the difference between the KB4338853 (which was installed yesterday on my desktop):

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4338853/servicing-stack-update-for-windows-10-version-1803-june-26-2018

…..and this new kb4315567  (that doesn’t appear in my machine via WU????)

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4315567/compatibility-update-for-upgrading-to-windows-10-version-1803-june-26

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KB4338853 is the servicing stack update (update to the Windows Update mechanism).

kb4315567 is the Compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10 version 1803

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Thank you, PKCano@. My huge apology.

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Sorry for my question, i read a little more i’m in 1803 17134.137, the 4338853 is a Servicing update stack, the 4315567 is a Compatibility update for upgrade to Windows….soon to force 1803 for those who do not yet have this version (M $ not for every half year 🙁

M $ não para cada semestre 🙁

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Who knows what all is thrown in this update and everyone’s concerns are certainly valid. It seems to me though that windows update communication with WSUS seems to improve with each service stack update released since the first of this year. And I don’t have to wrestle with windows update failures on pc’s nearly as much as I used to.

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Is Win10v1803 going to be the next LTS? Might explain Microsoft’s desire to drop the last LTS. More overlap would be better to the customer. But Microsoft doesn’t have the manpower, and AI doesn’t seem to be filling their shoes.

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4230204/compatibility-update-for-upgrading-to-windows-10-1803-june-26-2018 here’s the non enterprise one.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Thanks for posting that Susan as everyone suspected that there would be one to force the update.

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As far as it being “a KB for Win10 1803 Enterprise that makes it easier to upgrade to Win10 1803 Enterprise”, my guess is that
“This update makes improvements to ease the upgrade experience to Windows 10 Version 1803.”

is supposed to be read as
“This update makes improvements (to ease the upgrade experience) to Windows 10 Version 1803.”

rather than
“This update makes improvements (to ease the upgrade experience to Windows 10 Version 1803).”

ie the update is to make improvements to 1803 to ease future upgrades (possibly referring to quality updates?)

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Windows 10 1803 uninstalled several applications

Many applications were uninstalled while updating to 1803!

Applications uninntalled listed below but not limited to since I’ve not had time to look into everything. ALL of my Autodesk applications and settings (SERIOUSLY 1000’s of hours of settings vanished – it’s the point Microsoft shouldn’t be touching any application period), HWiNFO, Spybot Search and Destroy, HOSTS file was reset, the update also removed drives for Microsoft Sidewinder X4 keyboard (dvr ver.1033.8.20.469.0) and updated drivers to the latest Microsoft driver and touch interface.

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@ anonymous #200163

And this happens every 6 months(Win 10 Home) to a year(deferable Win 10 Pro & Ent), ie your apps get uninstalled and your settings unset.

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Remember that as a Windows 10 user you are a Microsoft “lab rat”. They control the conditions of the experiment by “correcting” the settings in “their” apparatus (as they see it) and they do not want any obstruction of their view of the outcome of their experiment by blocked telemetry e.g. in the Hosts file adjusted manually by you or by Spybot or similar privacy enhancing tools.

As a practical counter-measure against MS try using Portable versions of programs so they cannot uninstall them. (Just in case they delete your portables, put each portable program into a sub-folder inside a general “Portables” folder. Before each upgrade copy this “portable” folder somewhere safe, so that it can be copied back after the upgrade. Do a similar thing with a folder or folders for shortcuts to the portables. This is all much quicker than re-installing things.) For example I use the portable version of “Agent Ransack” for searching in place of the creepy spy-doll Cortana which I remove (and yes, the Windows 10 PC does continue to work fine without Cortana). No doubt other similar searching portables are available. “Everywhere” usually gets a lot of support.

If you must use Windows 10 become a “lab rat that roars” to misquote the famous saying.

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Microsoft really pushed everyone to the edge regarding any new updates 😀
sadly, this means a lot of wrong/misleading info

this would like this one
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/may-2018-patch-tuesday-has-arrived/#post-191081
update contents
https://i.imgur.com/cgrxZbi.png

there are two types of “Compatibility update for upgrading” (AKA dynamic updates):
1- updates for installation media (i.e. setup files)
2- updates for recovery environment (i.e. WinRE.wim)

both has nothing to do with the current installed Windows version, or they “force” any upgrade

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woody

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That’s the only explanation I’ve seen that makes any sense.

Looks like the same explanation holds true for KB 4230204.

I wonder who’s writing the KB articles these days?

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My guess is that the KB article writers have a list of strict instructions “do not include x, y, z in any article” to prevent any backlash. In some cases such as this one, after x, y and z have been removed from the description, there is nothing left.

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Remember that Windows 10 Updates were not documented at all at the beginning 😀

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“The KB article says basically nothing:”

Doesn’t that sum up Microsoft perfectly.

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If only 2018 MS patches were thoroughly vetted and tested, and didn’t cause any issues – this itself wouldn’t be an issue, and neither would Win10 as a [user] “hands-off” OS. But they’re not, they are, and it is.

I get where they’re trying to go; unpatched Windows systems have long been a problem for everyone in the computing world. But the sledgehammer approach they’ve decided to take over the last few years is not helping anyone.

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can any one provide x86 cab link about KB4315567?

thanks.

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KB 4230204 is also used to scan known key blocker/”unwanted services” …made by system lose key,  uninstalled and it was back to normal ….. Intel keeps spying like they always did…stop buying anything from these agents of services 🙂

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