ISSUE 21.51 • 2024-12-16 MICROSOFT 365 By Peter Deegan And other annoyances. Microsoft is trying to get people to switch over to Outlook (new) sooner,
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Stopping the migration to Outlook (new)
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AuthorViewing 51 reply threadsAuthorHi Peter,
Great article on a confusing subject. Microsoft’s actions reminds me of the old saying: “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****.”
You might want fix the typo error for the Registry key to stop migration. The key branch you typed has “Polices” as one of the branches which leads to a wrong branch where the key goes as shown in your Registry Editor screenshot as shown in the image below.
HTH, Dana:))
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Good catch!
The text registry entry is copied direct from Microsoft.
However on all my test machines, that key and other new Outlook related items are atComputer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences
There’s probably a difference between the settings for stand alone users and those in organizations with an IT department looming over them.
I’m waiting for the promised Outlook | Options choice to appear (still MIA as I type this). Then we can see what registry change is made when someone selects that on-screen choice.
As you say confusing.
Peter Deegan
Office-Watch.comModerator Edit: to put Registry entry in code. Please use the Menu option “Paragraph\Preformated” to ensure the entire Registry entry is visible in the post.
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Talk about confusing. This will sure throw more for some people.
In The news letter regarding Stop the migration to Outlook New
One path in the registry we have Policies and in the screenshot its not
Then in the comments here as Peter showed no Policies in the path
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences
Then we have in Susan path and reg file with Polices in the path taken from here
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/new-outlook-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#post-2718811
KEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\office\16.0\outlook\prefer
Is any one still confused in what are correct Paths to go to in the registry?
Maybe we need a new .reg file to download that will add both entries to,
Stop the migration to Outlook (New)
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Here is the details of the different Registry keys.
On those versions of Windows that have and utilize the Group Policy Editor, those settings to control apps (like Outlook) are stored in the Registry in special branch “Policies”. On those Windows versions that don’t have or use the Group Policy Editor store their Registry settings in a different branch.
The Registry keys with “Policies” in the key are really not intended to be entered into the Registry directly and should be entered thru the Group Policy Editor settings, however you can enter them directly.
For the Windows users without the Group Policy Editor that want to prevent the migration must enter the Registry key without “Policies” branch in the key name.
Users that have Outlook thru a perpetual license and not a subscription will not be forced to migrate and really don’t need the no migration registry key; however, having it causes no harm.
The other Registry key floating around has to do with getting rid of the Try new Outlook toggle switch in the Outlook window.
To make it easier to enter these keys I created (and tested) the following commands.
Open an Administrator Command console
Copy the command you want below and paste at the prompt (place the mouse pointer at the prompt and right click to paste in a Command window) and press Enter to run the command and enter the Registry key. The command will confirm that the key was added.No Group Policy Editor versions (AKA Windows Home) for No Migration:
Reg Add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences /v NewOutlookMigrationUserSetting /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
Group Policy Editor versions (AKA Windows Pro, etc.) for No Migration:
Reg Add HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences /v NewOutlookMigrationUserSetting /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
No Try New Outlook toggle switch for Windows Home users
Reg Add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences /v UseNewOutlook /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
HTH, Dana:))
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The Microsoft article indicates the entry in the \Policies registry location is to allow IT control over whether the new Outlook is available or hidden for their individual users via an Office Group Policy.
Those Office Group Policies can be downloaded from Administrative Template files (ADMX/ADML) for Microsoft Office (note: they only apply to Office 2016 or newer.)
Thanks for the article, it was very helpful.
Microsoft is becoming more and more of a joke every week… New Outlook is trash and missing many features. Notably, the ability to open PST files which our business relies on having the ability to do. Supposedly, this feature is on the roadmap. It also really makes working with Shared Mailboxes unnecessarily difficult by having to dig down a few folders, and you are unable to pin a Shared Inbox to favourites.
It’s absolutely absurd that Microsoft keeps forcing unfinished, beta software (Windows 11, New Outlook) into production environments.
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Although I have the “Try the new Outlook” button, the registry location
Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Options\General
Does not have the “HideNewOutlookToggle” registry key.
I also tried “find HideNewOutlookToggle”And it was not found.1 user thanked author for this post.
I’m not sure that the info that you provide is complete.
Two weeks ago I bought a new “build your own” laptop (Lenovo) with Office Home & Office 2024. I specifically bought that version of Office because I wanted to continue with Outlook [classic]. I backed up my .pst file from the old computer, a file with data (emails, contacts, receipts, bills, critical info, etc.) that has accumulated for over 15 yr. (3 GB).
Much to my infinite chagrin, I found out that I now have Outlook (new) installed. I CANNOT bring over/migrate/transfer my old .pst file into Outlook (new). The obfuscating forum eventually told me so after reading months worth of people complaining that work-arounds don’t work. The Internet is full of outdated advice for situations such as mine.
In my case, I cannot toggle back to “classic”, as the button informs me that option is not available with this version of Office. So much for talk about happenings not until 2025. The forum informs us that Microsoft is maybe ‘considering’ something as a solution anywhere from 2026 to 2029 (I’m paraphrasing here). What the heck is going on with that corporation?
To stiff people like that is unbelievable. I’m not even sure that messing with my Registry would work if the software isn’t actually on the drive.
Signed: Taken for a Bad Ride
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Hey Peter – In Microsoft 365 Admin cloud policies, I found two policies:
- The one you mentioned about Admin-controlled Migration and
- another that controls the “Try the new Outlook” toggle button
Screenshot attached (after filtering on Outlook)
Very much appreciate your hard work…
Fred
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I do not use Outlook and I try to not use as many of M$ stuff as possible. Thunderbird has been my email for 8 years and I am very happy with it. M$ likes to keep you in their pocket, I for one do not wish to be beholding to them for my needs online. I do not use any of their browsers either.
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I somehow “tried” the New Outlook a couple of times and hated it. I mostly just use the Calendar app. Some of the options you mention to block automatic updates don’t seem to be on my system. There are values like this:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Options\General\NewOutlookAutoMigrationAudienceTelemetryIteration HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\NewOutlook\NudgeNextQueryTime HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences\NewOutlookRenudgeStartDate HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences\NewOutlookRenudgeWatermark
I’m wondering if my brief forays into the ghastly New Outlook now have me hooped.
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Managing multiple small businesses of which 98% of them use Outlook Classic in some form or fashion (as do I) with many Outlook Profiles and PST files for archiving and having access to their important mail or using different accounts etc… I am at a loss as to why Microsoft would push this change with a product that is NOT Ready for prime time and at a minimum ready to perform the same functionality that is available today. It seems to me that everything they seem to do these days is self serving. Most of my customers DO NOT USE M365 mail services as they use much less expensive alternatives using pop and imap. They seem to forget that we pay for Outlook Classic with the Software and subscriptions we buy and most small businesses’ do not have the infrastructure to simply run a policy change etc.. and that all of these type of events require a machine by machine visit / access to do a registry hack or toggle a switch or something like that. It is very clear that they simply do not care about Small businesses any longer which of course built them into the empire they have become. Not a day goes by that I am not more and more frustrated with their approach to their loyal base of customers.
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Thank you for taking the time to reply concerning Hotmail being around in the near future.
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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences
For: sudo ()
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Preferences can be set via registry edit or loading .reg file, but it only turns off the New Outlook slider in Outlook. It does not do anything to prevent Microsoft from shoving it down your throat after the first of the year.
The other two (the “policies”) settings can be set manually, but only if the “current user” is an administrator. A normal user has only read permissions on the key.
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Ok, here’s verified info about which registry settings the Microsoft Office Group Policy settings control.
Note: the following two Outlook templates (outlk16.admx & outlk16.adml) from the Microsoft Office Templates I referred to in post #2726199 must be installed to see these policies!
The DoNewOutlookAutoMigration & HideNewOutlookToggle settings show up in the Group Policy Manager as follows:
The Admin-Controlled Migration to New Outlook controls the following registry entry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\options\general donewoutlookautomigration
Note: The description for the above policy contains the following statement:
If you do not set this policy setting, the migration process to new Outlook will not start, and users that have not migrated will remain on classic Outlook.
The Hide the “Try the new Outlook” toggle in Outlook controls the following registry entry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\options\general hidenewoutlooktoggle
Note: The description for the above policy contains the following statement:
This policy only applies to subscription-based Microsoft 365 Apps.
Don’t know if it matters or not, but the entry names those Group Policies create are both “lower case” vs what’s been referenced above?!?!
FYI, I did a “text search” of all the various Microsoft Office Outlook Group Policy template files and there was no entry for NewOutlookMigrationUserSetting in any of them!
So, at least for now, it’s not something that’s controlled by an Group Policy!
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The Registry path:
Seen in view
Seen in Edit
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Sorry!
This is how it looks in my browser so I didn’t realize the end of the path would get cropped for other viewers.
Could you please edit my post so it displays the whole path?
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Use Paragraph\Preformat to be sure.
I’m using Firefox – don’t know if that’s the difference.1 user thanked author for this post.
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Thanks for editing it, I’ll try to remember to do that the next time I need to post a registry path.
I’m using Firefox – don’t know if that’s the difference.
Notice how the text in your screenshot is much larger than in mine.
That indicates the difference is a matter of the font family/size being used by our respective browsers.
Mine uses Arial 12 pt and it “appears” yours uses Firefox’s default San Serif 16 pt.
The means the registry path would display differently in our browsers like this.
The above image comparing those two fonts shows San Serif 16 pt would get cropped exactly where yours was.
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It has to be easier to understand computers if you are younger and grew-up with the lingo. I grew-up with a typewriter.
Moderator’s Note: Removed excess blank lines from post.
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shoving it down your throat after the first of the year
Microsoft are getting much better at alienating people. With Outlook New for starters.
If down the track they don’t removed having a .pst file with POP, allowing for local storage.
This will just make people move to another email client. Then they might even think… hey do i even want the other Microsoft office apps.
They might prefer the free alternatives. Then If they think further outside the box, hey lets ditch Microsoft all together.
Move to Linux for freedom or another OS.
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Outlook : Initial version of PST support in new Outlook for Windows – March 2025
The initial version of PST support in new Outlook for Windows will enable users to open “*.pst” files (a.k.a. Outlook Data Files), read all e-mail messages within the “*.pst” file, and search e-mail messages within the “.pst” file. This initial support is limited to Mail items and is read-only. All Calendar, Contacts, and Tasks data saved in the “*.pst” files are still there, but they cannot be accessed in this initial version. #newoutlookforwindows
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This is typical of how Microsoft is releasing features in new Outlook — in small doses. They are doing the same with ‘offline’ features.
In both cases, it’s not clear how complete the final ‘offline’ or ‘PST’ support will be.
We’ll all have to wait and see what Microsoft offers it’s paying customers.
Peter Deegan
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I uninstalled Outlook (new) when it was first offered. It has not returned. My Outlook toolbar has no toggles for Outlook (new).
I’m using Microsoft 365.
Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.We were all once "Average Users".
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I am running Microsoft 365 Apps for enterprise (including Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook-classic, OneNote, Publisher, and Access) on a Windows 10 Pro OS held at Version 22H2 by a policy. I have Admin privileges on this machine and (working from a Standard Account) opened Regedit, running it as an administrator. I tried to follow your directions for hiding the “Try the new Outlook” Button and for preventing me from being upgraded to the New Outlook (I use .PST files extensively). I could not see the branches (specifically Outlook) you listed in the Registry Tree under 16.0. What can I do now?
Thanks, Alys
I had the same problem – you can’t find them because they don’t exist. As others have pointed out, they are set by the Outlook group policy ADMX. You can’t create them manually for a regular user due to a lack of permissions and lack of permissions to change permissions. Running regedit as Administrator does not work because, while you can create and set the keys, you are doing so for the Adminsitator which is the HKEY_CURRENT_USER while you’re running as such.
I suppose you could figure out which hive belongs to your normal account, load it using Load Hive under HKEY_USERS, add the keys and them unload the hive. However, I’ve tried doing so with other keys and they’ve not worked.
The one key that does work is the one to turn off the nag about changing to new Outlook. If I recall, you still have to create the key itself, but nothing above it.
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Options\General]
“HideNewOutlookToggle”=dword:00000001=======================================================
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Well unfortunately MHCLV941, I’m still confused.
The key has to be created and is not there until you create it. For many this is scary and creating a key manually can be daunting. You can download the attached HideTryOutlook.reg. Right click and select Merge. OK the UAC window and Ok the warning about making registry changes. It will display a message that the key was added successfully to the Registry and you can open the Registry and see that it has been added. If Outlook was open when the key was added, you will need to close and reopen for the change to take effect.
HTH, Dana:))
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Block new Outlook preinstall on Windows 10
..Windows 10
The new Outlook for Windows will be automatically installed on Windows 10 devices as part of the optional Windows 10 release on January 28, 2025, and more broadly released as part of the monthly security update release for Windows 10 on February 11, 2025.
Currently, there isn’t a way to block the new Outlook from being installed..
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Similar advice on ghacks.net but maybe a bit clearer. Hopefully the folks here will come up with a condensed (cut and paste) step by step version for us novices and perhaps a Reg file to accomplish all this.
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Users following this topic might also be interested in reading the 10-Jan-2024 Neowin article Microsoft to force-install New Outlook on Windows 10, shares PowerShell/Registry workaround.
I posted comments about this Neowin article today in my topic Microsoft Installing “New” Outlook on Windows 10 in Feb 2025.
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Yes, they are adding Outlook (new) to Win10 and doing it in a sneaky way.
Using a ‘security update’ to add non-security software makes it more difficult for people and organizations to avoid Outlook (new).
It debases the importance of security updates by making them another way to add software to suit Microsoft’s agenda.
https://office-watch.com/2025/new-outlook-coming-to-windows-10-like-it-or-not/
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There’s no indication that Microsoft will change the email etc defaults – for now. To do that would cause a lot of support hassles and complaints.
More likely, some time later they’ll use the installed app to promote its use. In other words, it’s one step in a longer game.
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Yes, they are adding Outlook (new) to Win10 and doing it in a sneaky way.
Using a ‘security update’ to add non-security software makes it more difficult for people and organizations to avoid Outlook (new).
It debases the importance of security updates by making them another way to add software to suit Microsoft’s agenda.
https://office-watch.com/2025/new-outlook-coming-to-windows-10-like-it-or-not/
Peter Deegan
Office-Watch.comIf anyone needed any proof that “new” Outlook is not ready for prime time (or even late-night infomercials), Microsoft’s full-court press to force the program onto Windows computers and force replacement of “real” Outlook is it.
It is also proof positive that Microsft does not give a rat’s rump about its customers.
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But that’s okay. Just because Outlook (new) is on your machine doesn’t mean you have to use it. There are plenty of other email clients out there to which you can choose to route your email traffic and away from Microsoft’s surveillance.
The point is that most folks don’t want a different email client; they want the Outlook that they bought and that they have used for years. They want the flexibility that comes from having the same program (more or less) on their computers, their phones, their tablets and in their browsers.
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Just because Outlook (new) is on your machine doesn’t mean you have to use it.
You don’t have to use it but your PC (and Microsoft) do with some background services running and space allocated on your storage, on your image backup…
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Bloatynosy 1.0.10 will block Outlook New installation
..Added new plugins, including a “Block New Outlook Preinstall” feature for Windows 11 (see Neowin source) ..
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Using a ‘security update’ to add non-security software makes it more difficult for people and organizations to avoid Outlook (new).
It debases the importance of security updates by making them another way to add software to suit Microsoft’s agenda.
When Microsoft changed Windows updating practices to lump together each month’s patches into fewer, larger blobs, I objected on the grounds that it prevented customers from avoiding updates that had unwelcome effects on their computers. At the time (in the age of Windows Vista and 7), what I had in mind were patches that broke something or that introduced telemetry. You have just described yet another downside (for customers) of the unitary update model.
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Susan Bradley has now confirmed that this Registry Entry will stop Outlook (new) being forced onto a Windows 10 machine.
BUT it has to be done BEFORE the Feb. 2025 security update is applied. That monthly security update is optional from January 28, 2025 and pushed out generally on February 11, 2025.
Go to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_OobeAdd a registry key:
BlockedOobeUpdatersType:REG_SZAdd this as the data
["MS_Outlook"] <- A change from previous post.As I’ve said before, don’t worry if Outlook (new) is installed on your Windows 10 machine. The app should sit there idle and not interfere. Outlook (classic) will continue to run normally.
Peter Deegan
Office-Watch.comModerator Edit: to clean up the rest of the HTML and change the expletive.
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Enter the key with an Admin command console:
Open an Admin Command console by open a Run box (WinKey + R), enter cmd, press Ctrl + Shift + Enter keys, OK to UAC query.
Copy the following commandReg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe /v BlockedOobeUpdaters /t REG_SZ /d MS_OUTLOOK
Place the cursor at the prompt and right click to paste the command.
Press Enter key to run the command and it will report that it entered the key successfully.OR
Download the attached .bat (which is the same command in a .bat file)
Right click the file BlockNewOutlookW10.bat and select Run as administrator.HTH, Dana:))
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Per Aria, this is [“MS_Outlook”] is what it wants
https://x.com/ariaupdated/status/1880040098861052051
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And in Release Preview 19045.5435, the new Outlook is made “the free default mail app”. That phrase makes it sound as if, post-installation of the update, the new Outlook will be your new default mail app, NOT what you have currently selected.
Peter, I sure hope you’re right in that they won’t change your current default mail app/program that YOU picked just yet!1 user thanked author for this post.
I just had a new aggravation with Microsoft 365 a couple days ago. I set up a new computer and installed Microsoft 365 using my Family subscription. It did not install Outlook at all. Hmm. Did a repair. Did an online repair. Uninstalled and installed again. Still no Outlook. It turns out that Microsoft has decided, without saying anything on the Install page on my account, NOT to include Outlook because new computers with Windows 11 already have the Outlook app (new Outlook). I couldn’t change the Outlook app back to Outlook (classic), either. So, I uninstalled Microsoft 365 again, and downloaded the image file (offline installer), mounted that and installed again. Now I have Outlook classic. Hope I can save someone else some time here.
Kat.
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Outlook for Windows (classic) can be downloaded from Microsoft Store:
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Yes, there are at least three ways to get ‘real’ Outlook classic.
https://office-watch.com/2025/outlook-classic-dropped-from-microsoft-365/
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