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    COMMENTARY By Will Fastie There is much technology we’re glad to see gone. But “old” does not automatically mean “bad.” In her article today, Susan me
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    • #2765572

      I still use Visual Basic 6 because it is self-contained and compiles directly to an .exe file.
      p.s I might have some of those old keyboards you like, I’ll have to look.

      • #2765586

        I still use Visual Basic 6

        So do I, but I used an extensive collection of third-party tools that were necessary to make VB3 a power tool. I had to buy those software add-ons for every generation of VB, at considerable expense. I ended up writing my own modules to replace about 60% of those bits. But that means I still use some 27-year-old components. Sooner or later, something is going to break.

        I’m in no rush, but I’ve already done a bit of work in VS Community, which has everything I need built-in (I think).

    • #2765591

      I also do not miss acoustic couplers.

    • #2765595

      I’m a bit surprised you didn’t mention software KVM’s as a replacement for hardware KVM switches. I have 4 PC’s and have used Multiplicity for years to use one KB & mouse, along with an HDMI 5 port switch for sharing 1 screen. (A second screen to my main “daily driver”)

      I recently added a Mac Mini to the mix and switched to Synergy KVM which allows a Mac into the mix. So far, working great.

      I’ve also found Google Desktop valuable when I just want to monitor something running on another system, say from my iPad, without being in the office. Works beautifully.

      If you have used these and have thoughts to share, I’ll be watching the newsletter closely. Hope I’m not missing something important about using these technologies.

      Thanks – absolutely love your newsletter and read it first whenever it hits my inbox.

      Jeri Mearns

    • #2765612

      My low-tech solution for a flat keyboard is a piece of scrap wood with two shallow holes that accept the small folding “feet” under the rear edge of the keyboard.  Not clear in photo, but the edge of the wood block is beveled to permit the feet to rest in the bored holes.  This is a Dell keyboard.

      PM me if you want a similar one- no charge- I have a shop.IMG_1366
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    • #2765621

      I agree that floppy disks were slow, noisy, low capacity, prone to viruses, and most of all unreliable.  I did like those 100 and 250 MB Iomega Zip Drives though. At last I could transfer large files at that time between my computers.  I thought these Zip drives and their disks were the greatest until they started to break down prematurely.  Everyone talked about the dreaded “Click of death” that indicated your drive had failed or was about to.

      Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's
    • #2765628

      Also- go ahead and laugh, but faxing is still one of the more secure ways to send sensitive info- definitely better than an email attachment.  We use faxing when appropriate.

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      • #2765709

        During the pandemic, I found fax invaluable for getting stuff through to appropriate people quickly, especially when phone systems and even mail were saturated.

        My printer happens to have fax capacity (not something I was looking for, but it came with the printer I wanted), and I found that there were several times when it was useful to be able to send faxes for other people who really needed it.

        Even if the popular perception of fax is as an outdated technology, it’s still widely used in both the medical and legal fields (at least in the US), and there are times where fax is cheaper, faster and easier to use, especially if you’re sending copy that is already printed.

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      • #2765761

        As long as you can digitize the info you can send it securely using sites like SendSafely.

        cheers, Paul

    • #2765629

      To personal experience, optical drives (CD/DVD, at minimum) are some of the least durable devices of the last 50 years — and I go back to removable disk packs and vacuum channel tape drives.  As a PC desktop admin, audiophile, and engineer I’ve lost count how many CD/DVD drives and players have failed in service and required replacement.

      Anyway, that’s my rant.

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    • #2765658

      Brought back many memories, good and bad!

      Thanks for sharing yours,

      Scott

       

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    • #2765661

      Turbo Pascal is alive and well, but is now called Embarcadero Delphi.

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    • #2765669

      Embarcadero Delphi

      Quite so, but not economically.

      • #2765672

        Delphi Community Edition is free. The Pro edition is currently on sale. There is also Lazarus.

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    • #2765670

      I’ve lost count how many CD/DVD drives and players have failed in service

      Me, too. However, the media has good life, and there are archival versions of the media that supposedly could last a century.

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      • #2765689

        However, the media has good life

        Only if you still have a working CD/DVD player.

        I have had CD players that have stopped working.  Now I have a library of music that I cannot hear unless I can find a replacement.

        Does anyone remember the Pioneer PD-M6  – 6 disk cartridge CD player?

         

        • #2765743

          Yes, but I bought a Technics SL-PD687 5 disk Carousel CD player.  It’s great for parties and it still works.

           

          Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's
    • #2765688

      With regard to SSDs supplanting HDDs, I’d say it’s not only because typical users don’t require huge amounts of local storage, but due to the fact abysmally slow performance of HDDs relative to SSDs.

      I don’t have benchmarks to back this up, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who had noticed it, but with the advent of Windows 10 it quickly became clear that the responsiveness of most any Windows 10 PC with an HDD was absolutely terrible. Often completely unresponsive for the first 5-10 minutes after booting with disk usage pegged at 100%, and even afterward, they still could take several seconds (or more) to respond to mouse clicks.

      This even happened on PCs with plenty of CPU and RAM, so I always chalked this up to all the background processing/downloading Windows 10 natively did compared to 7 and its predecessors. I’m sure meh hard drives (5400 RPM, low cache) didn’t help matters, but I invariably found swapping in an (2.5-inch SATA) SSD was a sure-fire cure.

      I just finished updated a batch of circa-2018 PCs from M.2 SATA to larger NVMe storage, and while the performance benefit there wasn’t nearly as marked as HDD-to-SSD, it was still noticeable.

      I couldn’t imagine using a Windows 10/11 PC with a HDD these days, unless it was a secondary drive for data storage only.

       

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    • #2765704

      Hi, Will,

      Great article…

      KVMs–I never enjoyed these. For two decades, I’ve been using RDP — Remote Desktops — in various configurations. This would not be as useful if I were in a multi-OS environment, but I can access several W11 PCs plus one XP machine using RDP, and there is a web-based access to my NAS.

      Optical Drives–I recently bought a Verbatim Optical BD external drive and it’s great. It sits on my worksurface and is connected to the tower under the desk. Much easier access to pop in CDs, DVDs, and BDs. The new Dell XPS 8960s do not offer optical drives but tick all the other boxes.

      HDDs–only one PC has HDDs and that is a backup machine that keeps a snapshot of my NAS (2 x 16 TB drives) plus three SSDs. The NAS has six 12 TB drives (RAID 6 plus hot spare for 36 TB). My main machine has three SSDs and my mail machine has two. One SSD in each machine is dedicated to Dropboxes. Even the aforementioned XP machine has an SSD (fortunately it was a SATA XP machine).

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    • #2765708

      Re: KVM switches…

      There may not be as many out there as there used to be, but you can still find quality stuff.

      I have an IOGear 4-port switch that I got about 4 years ago, and I’m very happy with it, after fighting multiple Belkin switches for years. This one is explicitly business-grade, and even if I use it on my desktop, I think it can be rack-mounted.

      This particular one has DVI connectors (and yes, I use a lot of conversion plugs for necessary connections to HDMI, DisplayPort and Mini DisplayPort), but it works very well.

      I just checked IOGear’s web site, and there are 15 different options for 4-port available, where costs start at $229 for my DVI model, and go upward, depending on what plug interfaces you want, inclding HDMI, DisplayPort, Mini DisplayPort, USB 3.0 or 3.1 (and including cables), and even wireless.  Although IOGear has some more-premium stuff, most of their 4-port stuff runs below $400.

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    • #2765710

      Delphi Community Edition is free.

      I haven’t kept up. I’ll check further, but it looks like CE is fairly limited regarding use.

    • #2765719

      I go back to using computers/terminals to the mid-80’s and to this day, the best keyboard I ever used was the IBM 3270 mainframe terminal. That keyboard had the best combined key spacing, shape and tactile feel. Something not too many of us still around have any experience with. It would be nice to see what all of you would think about it if you could use one too.

      Also, I too am still using VB6 for a few personal things. I do the programming via a Windows XP Pro virtual machine. Since I’m doing some on and off again investigations into Linux Mint as a Windows replacement, I need to find a good replacement package. Just now downloaded Visual Studio Code for Linux (no MS account required and it’s free) and will be looking at reprogramming into C++ or Python. That will take me quite a while to come up to speed with either.

    • #2765730

      I, too, miss the ready availability of optical drives, and for the same reason — I have hundreds of music CDs and a considerable number of DVDs and at present no way to play them (my actual, non-computer-connected, players are temporarily in storage).  And ever since Apple destroyed the Windows version of iTunes, I’ve been looking for a program that I like that can convert all my iTunes files (from my CDs, not purchased) to another format and I can listen to them conveniently.  (Before anybody pops up with suggestions, I like MusicBee, but it has a fairly sharp inflection point on the learning curve.)

    • #2765754

      abysmally slow performance of HDDs relative to SSDs

      That goes without saying – now. The cost was the delay. The PC I built 10 years ago with Windows 10 had an SSD for the boot drive. It was costly and had only 250GB (3.5″ SSD). 500GB was too costly; it took nearly four years before I doubled it and another three before doubling it again to 1TB.

      This is not to say you are wrong about performance. It’s just that 10 years ago all of us had to weigh performance against cost.

      responsiveness of most any Windows 10 PC with an HDD was absolutely terrible

      That may be an overstatement. For my work, yes. For the laptop my son bought 10 years ago? No. About five years ago, when he was considering a new laptop, I put in an SSD and doubled the RAM. That was a much cheaper alternative at the time, and he’s still using it. But had he started with that configuration when he bought the laptop originally, the cost would have been dramatically higher.

    • #2765755

      Only if you still have a working CD/DVD player.

      Of course. I have two internal DVD writers in my daily driver, both five years or older and both still working. I have an external USB DVD writer, also about five years old and still working. There are many of both types for $35 or less. I also own a Blu-ray player which is attached to our primary TV; it will play audio, video, or – if the media contains image files – slide shows.

    • #2765746

      For a while now companies have been calling things that work perfectly and are established technology – LEGACY.

      this legacy b.s. is just a way of breaking established technology norms and usually replacing with a subcription based cloud alternative so you can buy into it again.

      old man rant over

    • #2765772

      I loved the section about keyboards, since I’m rather particular. I started in 1985 with an IBM XT that had the 84-key keyboard (no separate number pad, no way to know if the Caps and Num Lock keys were on) that was built on the IBM Selectric model, and the click-and-feel was great. Then came junk like the Kensington, and the era of the mushy keyboard was here. So I found the OmniKey 102 which was a great keyboard. That finally wore out, and now I use an HP KB-133, which is old enough to need a USB adapter for the PS/2 connection. I bought a few some years ago on eBay, because I don’t want to worry that keyboard technology doesn’t meet my needs.

      Great stuff, Will.

    • #2765787

      My low-tech solution for a flat keyboard is a piece of scrap wood with two shallow holes that accept the small folding “feet” under the rear edge of the keyboard.


      @Slowpoke47

      Are you aware that the contraption you invented is severely ANTIergonomic? The ergonomic position of wrists is slightly flexed which is why true ergonomic keyboards are raised at the front and slope downward from front to back. If something like that is not your fancy, then a flat keyboard is almost as good, especially with a wrist rest. What’s bad is raising the back of the keyboard a centimeter. What’s awful is raising it a few inches. It makes no sense at all.

      The keyboard that’s built like an amphitheater is merely a holdover from the old-fashioned manual typewriters that had to be built that way. Many people learned to type on them so the form factor unfortunately carried over to electric typewriters and, now, to computer keyboards.

      Typing on the thing you have is asking for arthritis and tendonitis as you age. Those maladies come to most of us when we’re in our 70s and 80s. I’d advise not going out of one’s way to accelerate the process.

    • #2765793

      Will,

      Thanks for the interesting article.

      Regarding KVM switches, you must be aware of the fact that keyboards are now available that allow you to connect to up to three computers simultaneously, same for the mouse. All that’s necessary to switch from one to the other is hitting key 1, 2, or 3 on those peripherals.

      Logitech has a technology they call “Flow” in their MX line of keyboards and mice. When it’s installed and active on computers attached to their own monitors, the mouse cursor will “Flow” from one monitor to the adjacent one (just like on a computer with two monitors), and that action will automatically take the keyboard along with it. It’s not even necessary to tick the  switches on the keyboard and mouse when using that solution.

      The KVM switch is technically obsolete. Bluetooth and wireless dongles have made it so. Microsoft Remote Desktop and macOS Screen Mirroring work equally as well. Do yourself a favor and get rid of the KVM altogether.

    • #2765799

      I could not believe my eyes when you mentioned the Boston Acoustics BA635 speakers!

      When I bought a Gateway around 30 years ago, I thought, who needs a computer with speakers? I called Gateway and the cost reduction to exclude them was negligible, so I told them OK, you might as well include them.

      Well here we are 30 years later.  We line dance and I have those fantastic speakers in the back of the car, mounted to a piece of PVC fence rail.  If the DJ’s equipment fails or he takes forever to set up, out comes the “Fence Rail” and the sound is good enough for a small – medium dance hall.

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    • #2765811

      I’ve lost count how many CD/DVD drives and players have failed in service

      Me, too. However, the media has good life, and there are archival versions of the media that supposedly could last a century.

      I am deeply involved with audio archiving and the general consensus is don’t trust optical media for long-term storage. Anything I care about is being stored as files. I keep the CDs and the booklets for proof-of-licence and the nice metadata.

    • #2765813

      don’t trust optical media for long-term storage

      For writable media, I follow the US Department of Defense’s recommendation from decades ago, which is to duplicate the CD/DVD every five years and destroy the original. I continue to do that. For manufactured media, such as movies and music dating back as much as 30 years, I’ve never had a media failure.

      I have a set of about a dozen CDs I burned 30 years ago and which I keep as a test. They remain readable.

      This may sound retro, but one reason I miss optical media is its physical size. I taught a course at a local university some time ago in which the students were to deliver a website to a real client. Most burned a CD. One delivered a USB thumb drive, which I approved but did not recommend. That client later hired me to enhance the site and when I asked them for their backup copy, they couldn’t find the thumb drive. I feel certain they would have found the larger disc in a jewel case. (I kept backups of all the student projects, so I was able to recover for the client.)

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    • #2765814

      I thought, who needs a computer with speakers?

      As it turns out, everyone.

    • #2765817

      The KVM switch is technically obsolete.

      That depends upon the context. Physical KVM remains useful in many situations, including datacenters and server racks. And has been mentioned here, Amazon is full of inexpensive physical KVM switches, the most common being those for two systems.  These are definitely priced for the consumer and small business market.

      Logitech … MX line of keyboards

      Yes, I’m aware. Unfortunately, I don’t like Logitech keyboards.

      My KVM switch handles the mouse, keyboard, one display (I don’t switch the other), and audio. It also has controls allowing me to customize what is switched when. For example, I usually do not switch audio so that I can continue to listen to something from my primary system. If I had the model that supported two displays, I could customize the controls to handle them in the most useful manner. Inexpensive solutions are less flexible.

      I admit to having no experience with software solutions. But my position is that a physical KVM sits outside the PCs it is managing and is thus not susceptible to a software problem on any given PC. It is also completely OS-neutral – it works with any computer that recognizes the peripherals.

      • #2766107

        There is definitely a place for hardware KVM, whether data center or personal.

        My IOGear definitely supports sound (including that the cable bundles include pink and green sound cables), although I don’t use the sound through the KVM.  In my setup, if I’m working on one computer, I want the ability to hear the various beeps coming from the other computers.  If I don’t have some sort of way of monitoring the other computers (especially if I have only one screen), then without hearing the sound, I have no way of telling if there’s something that needs attention.  As far as I’m aware, this KVM doesn’t give me the capacity of switching sound separately from the other hardware.

        As for keyboards, I agree that I mostly dislike Logitech stuff, especially the consumer-grade stuff that you can find in nearly any Big Box store, especially their MX- models.  However, I think their gaming-focused G series are different.  I have a G610 that I’m happy with, and it’s pretty solid.  As a fast touch-typist, I like a sturdy keyboard, and this one has Cherry MX Brown switches.  I wouldn’t mind if the keys were slightly stiffer and had more of a click, but I think that the thing that makes this adequate for me is the depth of key travel.

        By contrast, several years ago, I had a low-profile Logitech that looked nice, but wasn’t especially comfortable.  But the fatal flaw on that one was that it had butterfly switches under the key caps, and somewhere along, I had a key that came off, and replacing just the key and switch wasn’t worth the cost or effort.  With this keyboard, I found that when I wore down several of the key caps, it wasn’t a big deal to replace the entire set of key caps.

        For those of us that fondly remember the days of the old IBM Selectric-influenced keyboards or the Northgate Omnikey keyboards, it’s easy to get frustrated with the mass-market offerings that we currently have.  However, I think that some of the gaming keyboards can come pretty close.  I mentioned Cherry MX, and not only do they have a range of different switches that allow for a lot of personal preference, but there are other switch manufacturers out there.  Thus, if you aren’t happy with the keyboard you have or the mass-market ones, go take a look at some of the gaming keyboards that are designed for heavy use.

        The gaming keyboards will definitely cost more than the mass-market stuff, but if you’re particular about your preferences, they’ll likely be worth the cost. Not only comfort, but also sturdy enough that they’ll last far longer.  And as I found, also repairable.

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    • #2765823

      Many of the items you mentioned I do miss. But something I’ve been doing with SSD’s/NVMe drives. I have been repurposing them. Started with my Threadripper 1, I had the ability to put in 14 NVMe drives. I upgraded to a Threadripper 3, but it had Version 4.0 NVMe, and as I upgraded one drive, I put it in a USB case. I now have 14 2TB USB drives. Never running out of space. I use them as one of my many back-up options.

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    • #2765961

      I don’t miss the large PC cases but I miss the ability to easily open them up to blow out the dust bunnies when they overheated.

    • #2766108

      From a 90’s era nostalgic viewpoint, compared to the bog standard 3½” floppy-drive and 1.44mb disks, I remember and cherish the ‘great in their time’ iOmega Zip drives initially with 100mb disks and later having the 250mb Zip drive/ disks that were reliable for quick read/ write access at a time when only low speed CD-roms were available.

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    • #2766122

      I remember and cherish the ‘great in their time’ iOmega Zip drives

      I used a series of IBM ThinkPads that included a custom bay that could accept a variety of peripherals. By default, I kept a CD writer in it. But I also had a floppy drive and, remarkably, a ZIP 250 drive.

    • #2766327

      G’day Will,

      Loved that article, bringing back some memories causing some reflections …

      I adored Turbo Pascal, but strangely found Delphi a steep learning curve and cumbersome as it felt like using a sledge-hammer to crack a peanut! I abandoned the attempt. TP under DOS running on my 16-bit Micro-Byte (an Aussie company from the 80’s) PC with a 32 bit maths co-processor was like an extension to my mind and body. The “box” was quite portable and I could take it places and simply plug another’s monitor in and off we’d go. The Kaypro luggable I had to use when doing some contract work in Canada at the same time was a traumatic experience!

      Software I expect to sorely miss is Windows Live Photo Gallery. I’ve 20 years of digital images tagged with hierarchical keywords using Photo Gallery. Its tagging system is far more user-friendly, and useful, than Light Room’s. I’ve got PG installed under Win 10, but have it on “good authority” that it definitely won’t work under Win 11. I’m about to find out as my 15+ years old Win 7 tower is being replaced by a tiny Cubic NUC!

      That’s something I will not miss: a tower PC!

      You mentioned floppies and zip drives. About 40 years ago I was encouraged to archive my Fortran programs from multiple boxes of punch cards onto a fancy archival cassette on a DEC 10. Fifteen years later I could find no service who could read that format, and those faithful cards had found various other uses! So progress had its price …

      Best wishes!

      Peter

    • #2766413

      Loved your article.  Brought back many memories.

      Punched cards in early 60s

      PDP8 and literally toggling in programs thru 12 front panel switches

      then attached a teletype machine with paper tape to save and read in programs

      then early 70s a LINC8 computer with CRT, mag tape and analog and digital I/O. FOCAL  was the precursor to BASIC.  Several mainframe languages. FORTRAN, COBOL, PASCAL.   My favorite APL – A Programing Language.  Around that time teletype machines were being connected to mainframes allow programming without punch cards.

      In early 80s came Apple II with serial board we made and connected to 300 baud modem.  As  a project manager with an industrial controls company I could send and receive telexes with my counterparts in Korea.  And of course I installed a CPM board.   Also Commodore Amiga and Radio Shack TSR-80.  Apple had a great/simple word processor – AppleSoft.  They came spreadsheets like VisiCalc and Lotus 1-2-3.

      Epson MX-80 with custom PROM for 128 character set.  Had one for 20 years.

      And then the IBM PC and the ongoing development to where we are now.

      And for years I used a manual KVM switch to switch between a laptop (with broken screen) and desktop.  Still have the switch but no use for it now.

      Thanks again for bringing back fond memories.

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      • #2766434

        I thank you as well for bringing back even more memories.

        I also started in the early 60’s writing programs in FORTRAN, punching cards and running them on an IBM 1260 (I think that was the model number – it has been a long time).

         

         

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        • #2766546

          I think IBM 1620, on which I also wrote FORTRAN programs in the early 60’s as part of a university course.

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    • #2766448

      FORTRAN

      I know it’s still in use, but that’s one I don’t miss.

    • #2766788

      I loved this article and am “finally” getting to a “round tuit” legacy device to craft this reply.

      +++1 on the older HP LaserJets.

      We had some at work that were going for well over a decade of heavy duty printing.  They were big…, yes.  Heavy, yes, BUT they worked, and well.  Parts were, and are often still are, available.  When we upgraded, instead of surplusing them, there was a raffle for each one you could enter.  I know a former colleague still uses his ‘raffle win’ printer over 25 years later.  You cannot beat HP business class printers for longevity.

      I am still using an HP LaserJet 3050 All-in-One from my Windows XP days.  It is still on my Windows 7 offline machine and on my Linux Mint new desktop via a switch.  Pluses:  all the drive gears are metal and/or durable nylon, and better yet, toner is still available.  I rarely use the fax, except to deter telemarketers on our land line.  I just turn off the answering machine for a day or so and the calls drop off for weeks.  The scan feature on Linux is so much easier and direct also and Linux is supported by HP as well as most distros.

      I still use a removable spinner HDD (uses a disc caddy) for backups between machines.  However with the new machine and its 2 M.2 NMVe drives when it comes time for a new Linux OS update, I just pop in a new blank drive and do the install, while retaining the older version in case of issues.

      I still use CD-DVD drives on all my PCs.  I have an extensive CD and vinyl collection where many did not make it to CD or are no longer available, period.  I still buy CDs.  I have ripped all of my CDs and LPs to MP3 and FLAC for copying to thumbdrives for use in my cars at bitrates you cannot get streaming.  I get my music, when I want it, without commercials or subscriptions and apps, all without using my phone or streaming.

      My laptop is a business class Lenovo Thinkpad that is user serviceable, takes removable batteries and has many connectivity options including wireless.  Yes, is is heavier than a ‘thin & lite’ but the hinges and chassis are metal and it is durable with a non-chicklet keyboard.

      With hardware, the good is used, the old that is no longer functional is surplused, and the new is acquired carefully, as I abhore being “orphaned” by a manufacturer.

      I do NOT miss the Zipdrive, or modems.  I once had a token to log-in remote via modem and the random number generated often expired before the connections were made.  Good riddance.

      Great article!!!

       

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    • #2767237

      I’m still using the praiseworthy Altec Lansing ACS 495 speakers with subwoofer that came with my first Gateway PC in 1990 — 35 years ago. Some say that speakers wear out with use, but either I haven’t used these very much or my auditory acuity at my honorable age is no longer sufficient to detect any diminution in quality. I’ve had many PCs in my home office since then, but only this one HiFi speaker setup.

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      • #2767322

        Hi Ron, I have a friend who is using a similar Altec Lansing setup as you, but from 1998. They still work just as good as when new.

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