• Upgrading Firefox

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    I am am using Firefox 10.0.2. The latest version is 17.0.1. I have consistently refused to update to anything after 10.0.2 becuase of what is reported as an unresolved issue relating to Windows (I am runnng Windows 7), and I quote:

    “The use of Microsoft System Restore functionality shortly after updating Firefox my prevent future updates. (730285)”

    Is this issue ever going to be resolved, and whose problem is it: Window’s or Mozilla’s?

    Or should I just switch to another browser?

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    • #1364029

      Catxv,

      I think this is a very machine specific problem. I have several machines desktop & laptop running Win 7 and have never had a problem with updates. All machines are currently using 17.0.1 and have been upgraded all along the way. I usually update to the latest version as soon as it goes production. I NEVER install betas. YMMV :cheers:

      An additional thought, if you are leary just take Image backups before each update then you can always recover if problems arise.

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
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      • #1364102

        Thank you, Retired Geek, but the issue is raised by Firefox itself in its download information for every update since 10.0.2 and reported each time as “Unresolved”. I have only one computer, so I would rather wait until Firefox resolves the issue … if ever! Did you read the 730285 that Firefox refers to?
        catxv

    • #1364031

      You are 7 ‘versions’ of Firefox out-of-date, how many times have you used System Restore in that time? How many of those times were immediately before or after installing your ‘Patch Tuesday’ Windows Updates?

      I’d call it pretty much a non-issue. To update Firefox manually (which you really need to do – security fixes are issued for good reason), download the latest version, close Firefox, wait ~12 seconds, run new installer.

      • #1366751

        download the latest version, close Firefox, wait ~12 seconds, run new installer.

        Better yet, download the latest version, uninstall the problematic version, log out and back in and install the latest version.

    • #1364165

      The ‘issue’ is no more than a warning – IF you update Firefox, update Windows AND use System Restore, ALL in a very short time-frame, you may be affected by it.

      You face many more risks, much more often, by using a browser that is so outdated!

    • #1368157

      Since when I say,since when I say does anyone,anywhere,or even at anytime ever believe all that is written? A little common since will take one far at times when it comes to the computer.And the belief that there are those here that truly do attempt to help and enlighten the masses should always be looked upon as good,not evil,and that they somehow don’t know what best serves you as well as your answer.

      • #1368239

        Since when I say,since when I say does anyone,anywhere,or even at anytime ever believe all that is written? A little common since will take one far at times when it comes to the computer.And the belief that there are those here that truly do attempt to help and enlighten the masses should always be looked upon as good,not evil,and that they somehow don’t know what best serves you as well as your answer.

        Pardon??

    • #1368241

      I have this theory, of which I am coming very close to proving, it is this:
      “In most people education and common sense are inversely proportional.”

      🙂

      • #1368254

        I have this theory, of which I am coming very close to proving, it is this:
        “In most people education and common sense are inversely proportional.”

        🙂

        I take offense to this since I have a college degree. I think you’ll find the per cent of the population with common sense the same with or without a degree.

        Jerry

        • #1369316

          I take offense to this since I have a college degree. I think you’ll find the per cent of the population with common sense the same with or without a degree.

          Jerry

          Please do not be offended in this. 🙂
          Did your college degree not teach you to read the “WHOLE” theory before replying? You may not be part of the “most people” category.
          However your reply may be indicative of me being incorrect in this assumption. 🙂
          I may need to add this post to the proof positive column. 😉

          • #1371461

            If for any reason you cannot get SystemRestore to work normally, boot the System Recover Disk and start SystemRestore from the resulting screen. At least that worked for me when Windows kept showing some stupid error code that did not explain anything.

    • #1368250

      Well, you don’t even want to say common sense, what you probably really mean is good sense. Common sense merely intimates the leanings of the majority and I know of plenty of instances when common sense is NOT good sense. It just makes good sense to say good sense and not common sense. 😉

      • #1369315

        Well, you don’t even want to say common sense, what you probably really mean is good sense. Common sense merely intimates the leanings of the majority and I know of plenty of instances when common sense is NOT good sense. It just makes good sense to say good sense and not common sense. 😉

        I would define “Common Sense” to be those things that are intuitive to all or “intuition”. My theory is that in some people, this is replaced with what they perceive to be something better or maybe the intuition is dismissed if it has not also been part of the education? Like any theory there needs to be much discussion, study and examples that either prove or disprove the theory.

    • #1368257

      “The problem with common sense is it isn’t!” 😆
      :cheers:

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

    • #1368292

      Hmm, I was going to say just the opposite, the problem with common sense is that it is common! Which doesn’t tell us if it’s good or bad, or indifferent.

    • #1369326

      Well, since the OP seems to have moved on one way or another, I agree in part Russ, it does stem from intuition, but I’ve always had the further thought that intuition has to be based on something, it can’t just arise and exist from whole cloth. Namely it initially comes from experience with the physical world and is then refined by the predictive success of those interactions when it comes to new but similar interactions; and in using the term predictive success I’ve subtly added another component, that of analysis. Like a great chess player who seems to make every move as if he/she didn’t even think about, as if though it were intuitive to his or her nature, when in reality, it’s the analysis of the ongoing board configuration and his or her ability to branch three or four or five or more moves ahead based on past game interactions that only makes he or she appear to be brilliantly intuitive.
      Based on that, I would say that so-called lack of common sense is really continual failure to analyze past similar situations and make good predictive or intuitive decisions in the moment.
      Anyway, I contend that something has to be the source for intuition, babies are not born knowing the round peg fits in the round hole and the square in the square hole. Their intuition needs to be developed just as much as everything else does.

      p.s. I should have just looked up common sense! 😮 …Often ideas that may be considered to be true by common sense are in fact false. Conversely, certain ideas that are subject to elaborate academic analysis oftentimes yield superior outcomes via the application of common sense.

      To me, when common sense transmits falsehood, then when someone says, “well he or she just lacks common sense,” that doesn’t cover those cases because in that case its good he or she lacks common sense, and that is not what we mean when we say that phrase. That is the only reason I say we should say good sense because common sense can be true or false…unless there are some situations where a false common sense is actually better for us…I haven’t thought about it that way.

    • #1369358

      What happened to the OP’s post? Seems to have gone off in a tangent of rubbish.

    • #1369374

      Well I think he either solved his problem with FF or switched to another browser so we’re taking a few liberties. I believe the human condition is such that it will prove quite possible to switch flawlessly back into help mode should he return. Apparently you are only curious about certain subjects, clive, and on behalf of the instigators of this curious tangent, I apologize..:blush:

    • #1372193

      I am am using Firefox 10.0.2. The latest version is 17.0.1. I have consistently refused to update to anything after 10.0.2 becuase of what is reported as an unresolved issue relating to Windows (I am runnng Windows 7), and I quote:

      “The use of Microsoft System Restore functionality shortly after updating Firefox my prevent future updates. (730285)”

      Is this issue ever going to be resolved, and whose problem is it: Window’s or Mozilla’s?

      Or should I just switch to another browser?

      I think that you’re overreacting to that message–all it’s telling you is that if you update FF, then run a Windows system restore before a new, post-installation restore point has been created (which would, of course, revert your system to the previous FF version), you may end up with erroneous information in the files that FF uses to track its version and automatically offer updates.

      At worst, you may have to do the next update manually (which I’d recommend, anyway–I never jump right on a FF update until it’s been out for a week or two, just in case the update introduces some new problems that I don’t want to have to deal with).

      If you immediately create a new restore point after updating FF, then any future system restore to that point won’t affect your FF installation at all. Even if you forget to manually create a restore point, the downside is very minimal.

      As others have pointed out, this is hardly a good reason for continuing to use an old (and insecure) version of FF.

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