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    I have a HP ENVY dv7t-7200 CTO Quad Edition Notebook PC
    Product Number: B6B75AV
    Originally Windows 8 Pro with Media Center 64-bit

    Upgraded to WIndows 8.1 via the store
    All appeared OK
    HP Support Assistant pushed out 2.1.0.1002Ap4 contained in SP58398 which updated Intel Rapid Start Technology Driver.

    A) After boot, I now get a desktop message “Your System Does Not Appear to Have Intel Rapid Start Technology enabled.”

    B) If I start up the Intel Control Center, I get a message “There are currently no registered application available”

    C) If I start the Intel Rapid Start Technology Manager, also get “Your System Does Not Appear to Have Intel Rapid Start Technology enabled.”

    D) Also, If I attempt to use an application to read S.M.A.R.T data, that also fails

    E) However, I do get the following info from PassMark DiskInfo:
    SysInfo DLL Version: SysInfo v1.0 Build: 1041
    Time of export: 16:18:18 18-Nov-2013

    Device information:
    Device ID: 0
    Interface: RAID
    Device Capacity: 715402 MB
    Serial Number: W200NEPS
    Model Number: ST750LX003-1AC154
    Firmware Revision: HPM1
    Partitions:
    N/A

    ATA information:

    Disk geometry:
    Cylinders: 0
    Tracks/Cylinder: 0
    Sectors/Track: 0
    Bytes/Sector: 0
    Total disk sectors: 1465149168
    Logical sector size: 512
    Physical sector size: 4096
    Media rotation rate: 7200 RPM
    Buffer size: 0 KB
    ECC size: 4 Bytes

    Standards compliance:
    ATA8-ACS Supported: Yes
    ATA/ATAPI-7 Supported: Yes
    ATA/ATAPI-6 Supported: Yes
    ATA/ATAPI-5 Supported: Yes
    ATA/ATAPI-4 Supported: Yes
    Serial/Parallel: Serial
    SATA 3.0 Compilance: No
    SATA 2.6 Compilance: Yes
    SATA 2.5 Compilance: Yes
    SATA II: Ext Compilance: Yes
    SATA 1.0a Compilance: Yes
    ATA8-AST Compilance: Yes
    World Wide ID: 5000C5005DF1063B

    Feature support:
    SMART supported: Yes
    SMART enabled: Yes
    SMART self-test supported: Yes
    SMART error log supported: Yes
    LBA supported: Yes
    IORDY supported: Yes
    CFast supported: No
    DMA supported: Yes
    Maximum Multiword DMA mode supported: 2
    Multiword DMA selected: None
    Maximum UltraDMA mode supported: 5
    UltraDMA selected: 5
    Maximum PIO mode supported: 4
    SATA Compliance: Yes
    NCQ priority information supported: No
    Unload while NCQ commands are outstanding supported: Yes
    Phy Event Counters supported: Yes
    Receipt of power management requests supported: No
    NCQ feature set supported: Yes
    SATA Gen2 Signaling Speed (3.0Gb/s) supported: Yes
    SATA Gen1 Signaling Speed (1.5Gb/s) supported: Yes
    Software Settings Preservation: Supported, Enabled
    In-order data delivery: Not supported
    Initiating power management: Supported, Enabled
    DMA Setup auto-activation: Not supported
    Non-zero buffer offsets: Not supported
    Trusted Computing supported: No
    Host Protected Area (HPA) supported: No
    Read look-ahead supported: Yes
    Read look-ahead enabled: Yes
    Write cache supported: Yes
    Write cache enabled: Yes
    Power management supported: Yes
    Security mode supported: Yes
    Security mode enabled: No
    Device Configuration Overlay (DCO) supported: Yes
    48bit Addressing supported: Yes
    Auto Acoustic Managment (AAM) supported: No
    Power-up in Standby (PUIS) supported: No
    Advanced Power Management (APM) supported: Yes
    Advanced Power Management (APM) enabled: Yes
    Current APM level: Minimum power consumption without Standby
    CompactFlash Association (CFA) supported: No
    General Purpose Logging (GPL) supported: Yes
    Streaming supported: No
    Media card pass through supported: No
    Extended power conditions supported: No
    Extended status reporting supported: No
    Write-read-verify supported: No
    Free-fall control supported: No
    TRIM command supported: No
    SCT command transport supported: Yes
    NV Cache enabled: No
    NV Cache Power Management supported: No

    SMART ATTRIBUTES:
    ID Description Status Value Worst Threshold Raw Value TEC
    ———————————————————————————————————————————————

    Any ideas?

    Any suggestions?

    I was tempted to back out the Intel Rapid Start Technology update, but did not know what I would be left with!!

    TIA

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    • #1423805

      Have you checked to see if the Intel Rapid Start Technology service is running?

      Joe

      --Joe

    • #1426822

      I am considering updating to 8.1 but I have been doing a lot of research on my system first.
      One thing I found is this “Every system no matter who makes it requires all new drivers after this upgrade”, I have a Toshiba Satellite P75 and they have something like 3 pages of driver updates to be completed after you install 8.1
      If you go to the HP Driver Update page I would say you will find an entire stack of new drivers for the new system.
      8.1 covers some pretty large turf with the update and those drivers can range from no longer being online to no longer being able to print even if your system was 100% perfect before. With 8.1 you now have a NEW SYSTEM, it covers enough areas to warrant all new drivers.

      Now specific to the Intel Rapid Start issue: Yes that is one that my Toshiba listed as one driver which requires an update so I would say HP requires the same thing.
      Here is a Test Page for HP: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ad/windows-8/upgrade.html
      IT will scan your system from HP and tell you more it also has more data on the 8.1 update
      This one is the page for Intel HP Rapid Start Technology Driver download: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?cc=us&lc=en&softwareitem=ob-123967-1
      Hope this helps – Good Luck

      I have a HP ENVY dv7t-7200 CTO Quad Edition Notebook PC
      Product Number: B6B75AV
      Originally Windows 8 Pro with Media Center 64-bit

      Upgraded to WIndows 8.1 via the store
      All appeared OK
      HP Support Assistant pushed out 2.1.0.1002Ap4 contained in SP58398 which updated Intel Rapid Start Technology Driver.

      A) After boot, I now get a desktop message “Your System Does Not Appear to Have Intel Rapid Start Technology enabled.”

      B) If I start up the Intel Control Center, I get a message “There are currently no registered application available”

      C) If I start the Intel Rapid Start Technology Manager, also get “Your System Does Not Appear to Have Intel Rapid Start Technology enabled.”

      D) Also, If I attempt to use an application to read S.M.A.R.T data, that also fails

      E) However, I do get the following info from PassMark DiskInfo:
      SysInfo DLL Version: SysInfo v1.0 Build: 1041
      Time of export: 16:18:18 18-Nov-2013

      Device information:
      Device ID: 0
      Interface: RAID
      Device Capacity: 715402 MB
      Serial Number: W200NEPS
      Model Number: ST750LX003-1AC154
      Firmware Revision: HPM1
      Partitions:
      N/A

      ATA information:

      Disk geometry:
      Cylinders: 0
      Tracks/Cylinder: 0
      Sectors/Track: 0
      Bytes/Sector: 0
      Total disk sectors: 1465149168
      Logical sector size: 512
      Physical sector size: 4096
      Media rotation rate: 7200 RPM
      Buffer size: 0 KB
      ECC size: 4 Bytes

      Standards compliance:
      ATA8-ACS Supported: Yes
      ATA/ATAPI-7 Supported: Yes
      ATA/ATAPI-6 Supported: Yes
      ATA/ATAPI-5 Supported: Yes
      ATA/ATAPI-4 Supported: Yes
      Serial/Parallel: Serial
      SATA 3.0 Compilance: No
      SATA 2.6 Compilance: Yes
      SATA 2.5 Compilance: Yes
      SATA II: Ext Compilance: Yes
      SATA 1.0a Compilance: Yes
      ATA8-AST Compilance: Yes
      World Wide ID: 5000C5005DF1063B

      Feature support:
      SMART supported: Yes
      SMART enabled: Yes
      SMART self-test supported: Yes
      SMART error log supported: Yes
      LBA supported: Yes
      IORDY supported: Yes
      CFast supported: No
      DMA supported: Yes
      Maximum Multiword DMA mode supported: 2
      Multiword DMA selected: None
      Maximum UltraDMA mode supported: 5
      UltraDMA selected: 5
      Maximum PIO mode supported: 4
      SATA Compliance: Yes
      NCQ priority information supported: No
      Unload while NCQ commands are outstanding supported: Yes
      Phy Event Counters supported: Yes
      Receipt of power management requests supported: No
      NCQ feature set supported: Yes
      SATA Gen2 Signaling Speed (3.0Gb/s) supported: Yes
      SATA Gen1 Signaling Speed (1.5Gb/s) supported: Yes
      Software Settings Preservation: Supported, Enabled
      In-order data delivery: Not supported
      Initiating power management: Supported, Enabled
      DMA Setup auto-activation: Not supported
      Non-zero buffer offsets: Not supported
      Trusted Computing supported: No
      Host Protected Area (HPA) supported: No
      Read look-ahead supported: Yes
      Read look-ahead enabled: Yes
      Write cache supported: Yes
      Write cache enabled: Yes
      Power management supported: Yes
      Security mode supported: Yes
      Security mode enabled: No
      Device Configuration Overlay (DCO) supported: Yes
      48bit Addressing supported: Yes
      Auto Acoustic Managment (AAM) supported: No
      Power-up in Standby (PUIS) supported: No
      Advanced Power Management (APM) supported: Yes
      Advanced Power Management (APM) enabled: Yes
      Current APM level: Minimum power consumption without Standby
      CompactFlash Association (CFA) supported: No
      General Purpose Logging (GPL) supported: Yes
      Streaming supported: No
      Media card pass through supported: No
      Extended power conditions supported: No
      Extended status reporting supported: No
      Write-read-verify supported: No
      Free-fall control supported: No
      TRIM command supported: No
      SCT command transport supported: Yes
      NV Cache enabled: No
      NV Cache Power Management supported: No

      SMART ATTRIBUTES:
      ID Description Status Value Worst Threshold Raw Value TEC
      ———————————————————————————————————————————————

      Any ideas?

      Any suggestions?

      I was tempted to back out the Intel Rapid Start Technology update, but did not know what I would be left with!!

      TIA

      • #1426823

        I am considering updating to 8.1 but I have been doing a lot of research on my system first.
        One thing I found is this “Every system no matter who makes it requires all new drivers after this upgrade”,

        “Every” and “all” are exaggerations. I didn’t require any new drivers for Windows 8.1.

        Bruce

    • #1426828

      My 2 Sony Vaio (5 to 7 years old) conventional laptops did NOT require any new drivers. Win 8.1 does contain a slew of drivers (Win 8 did as well) for mamy devices. However, every system is different so YMMV.

      My sister has an Asus laptop that did not require new drivers. Your statement seems very exaggerated.

    • #1426843

      You guys are right, it is over stated, I should have said applicable to “NEWER” computers, many new problems apply only to newer machines, none of my older units would suffer from what my new Satellite does but that is because it has tons of new features and variables to cover. This person said it was an HP Envy – Quad which is one hell of a nice machine and newer too. BTW: http://h10025.ww1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCategory?cc=us&lc=en&product=5328068 this is the direct link to the HP Envy Driver Update page. It has a slew of updates specific to 8 and 8.1 which no older would need. I’ve been into computing since the days before Commodore 64 & the Vic 20 and haven’t looked back, things change even faster now – daily in fact, a computer that is only 3 years old is now pretty much out dated. Oh it will do the job okay but it won’t have the sophistication of todays machines. Today, as in the case of the this persons Super Duper HP Envy I still say the place to start is the drivers, after that go to internal settings. There are probably 30 items related to why it would do this but my money says to start with a driver check, it’s free – it’s easy. it’s fast and it’s common and it is the most likely candidate from the sounds of it. I didn’t mean to ruffle anyone’s feathers but as I see it this is the way to handle it.. At 5 to 7 years old (and I have another oldie too) I would never think of drivers…., it can’t see those things because they aren’t loaded. Have you heard of the BLACK SCREEN of DEATH after the Windows 8.1 update? Not the BLUE screen, the BLACK screen, it shuts you down after the update but only on certain machines, newer ones. It even limits access to Safe Mode. People have found it to be DRIVER related also depending on the machines. Can’t compare the old machines to this new one listed, that is another reason I said drivers. Again – after that – internal settings.
      Recently I had a huge problem with LIMITED CONNECTIVITY and everyone told me it was related to my router, they all said – dump your old router, get a new one, oh it’s junk, but a new $100 router and that will work fine…, others told me it’s in the computer antenna, they said it’s broken inside…, well come to find out it was 100% Driver related, even after installing new drivers TWICE they still had it wrong and I had to install them a 3rd time – now it has not problems whatsoever. Today – not yesterday – things change so dam fast it makes your head spin and drivers change (per machine) just about that fast. My new computer (Toshiba Satellite P75-7200) is a laptop designed to be a desktop replacement and it is really wonderful but it is also full of tweaks and pokes that I never thought would be required. In my next posts – if there is one – I’ll be more considerate of the sensitivity of people stomping on verbiage Vs. the issues. Sorry folks but this person has a newer top of the line 5 Star computer and I thought I would help, as apposed to generic comparisons to older models. I own and run 5 different computers, in all age ranges and build styles and I still say start with the driver – then internal setting. Yup, after that they should sit back and wish they had an older machine I guess, or maybe just junk it………. Geez. Really cut a guy some slack will ya?
      Also I think Joe is right, need to check to see if it’s running, but is should be as a default setting. It could be as simple as it isn’t turned on.

    • #1426873

      I updated Windows from 8 to 8.1. The only thing I had to reinstall was StartIsBack — I had to install the Win 8.1 version.

      I don’t have that much connected to my computer, mainly just a Canon printer/scanner/copier, but everything is working in 8.1. (Actually, I haven’t tried to scan anything yet.)

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
      • #1429350

        I updated Windows from 8 to 8.1. The only thing I had to reinstall was StartIsBack — I had to install the Win 8.1 version.

        I don’t have that much connected to my computer, mainly just a Canon printer/scanner/copier, but everything is working in 8.1. (Actually, I haven’t tried to scan anything yet.)

        Actually, I DID find one other problem with Windows 8.1 — when I right-clicked on a folder listed in the left side of File Explorer, File Explorer would crash:
        http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread//158413-Bug-with-StartIsBack-and-Windows-8-1

        The problem wasn’t with Windows 8.1, but rather with a program called Format Factory. I uninstalled it, and the problem went away.

        Group "L" (Linux Mint)
        with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
    • #1427665

      Oh, there are problems with 8.1. Key software I have which works under 8.0 doesn’t work under 8.1. The tech. support people admitted they haven’t fully tested their stuff under 8.1. I also had various communication problems with my AIO printer, lost the Scan function altogether, among other things. (mrjimphelps please note). Manufacturer’s tech. support could not help, but I eventually found a belatedly released driver update which solved all the problems. Both problems caused many days of frustration and one is still not solved.

      • #1427668

        Wow, thanks for telling me this. As I mentioned I an considering the upgrade but seeing how you encountered this, along with others (many others) I have read, I will wait a while longer until they figure out more of the bugs. It is really irritating when you have to spend so long on a problem that should not be there in the first place.
        Interesting how they send it out to the public with such little testing…., it’s as if we are the testing model for them and they are willing to force the public into doing there jobs for them. I’m sure they cruise the blogs and sites to see who encountered which problems and then look at those issues. SO much for BETA testing. Again thank you.

      • #1427669

        Oh, there are problems with 8.1. Key software I have which works under 8.0 doesn’t work under 8.1. The tech. support people admitted they haven’t fully tested their stuff under 8.1. I also had various communication problems with my AIO printer, lost the Scan function altogether, among other things. (mrjimphelps please note). Manufacturer’s tech. support could not help, but I eventually found a belatedly released driver update which solved all the problems. Both problems caused many days of frustration and one is still not solved.

        Driver problems can always occur with any Windows upgrade. Probably it was a bit unexpected this time, since Windows 8.1 probably was not seen as full blown new version that would bring these types of issues.

        When there are apps or hardware that we really cannot do without, the best thing is to avoid upgrade until there is some assurance those apps or hardware are supported by the new OS. An alternative, which some of members here use, is to always image before any relevant upgrade. If anything goes wrong, one can always restore the image and avoid using an OS that does not work as we expect it to.

        • #1427671

          Yes – yes, thank you. This upgrade did not show any large number of improvements to make me rush into it but when I do decide I will Image first – Thanks! 🙂

          • #1427674

            Yes – yes, thank you. This upgrade did not show any large number of improvements to make me rush into it but when I do decide I will Image first – Thanks! 🙂

            You’re welcome :).

          • #1427695

            Yes – yes, thank you. This upgrade did not show any large number of improvements to make me rush into it but when I do decide I will Image first – Thanks! 🙂

            Image first! That’s the most sensible thing I’ve read all day!
            Thank you, that restores my faith in humanity.

            We’ve been shouting that from the rooftops ever since the first Windows 8.0 Beta test version was released. Even MS said essentially the same thing.

            But sure enough, day after day, people would come on the Windows 8 forum, practically in tears, wanting to know how to get their working OS back after a failed upgrade to 8.0. Now we’re seeing exactly the same thing with 8.1. Will it never cease???
            It’s not an update to 8.0…… 8.1 is a NEW OS, so treat it as such. It has a whole new set of requirements and settings.

            For ages, I’ve had the very answer in my signature line, which nobody ever reads or heeds.
            Backup! Backup! Backup!

            Actually the safest and simplest way to try out a new OS, is to just install it on a clean, fresh hard drive, and don’t muck about with your old OS at all.
            Keep it separate and keep it safe.
            There, that makes about the 3,439th time I’ve said that. But who really listens?

            😎

        • #1427717

          Driver problems can always occur with any Windows upgrade. Probably it was a bit unexpected this time, since Windows 8.1 probably was not seen as full blown new version that would bring these types of issues.

          When there are apps or hardware that we really cannot do without, the best thing is to avoid upgrade until there is some assurance those apps or hardware are supported by the new OS. An alternative, which some of members here use, is to always image before any relevant upgrade. If anything goes wrong, one can always restore the image and avoid using an OS that does not work as we expect it to.

          That makes good sense ruirib and goes without saying in my case. I haven’t worked with computers for over 50 years without learning the lesson that backing up is ‘page 1, axiom 1’ in anyone’s computer manual. I have a copy of my Windows 8 system on a backup HDD if I really need it and more than one printer, but Stonington was asking whether he should upgrade to 8.1 and he was being told that others had upgraded without problems. I was just adding a note of caution and he has accepted the message not to upgrade without imaging first.

          A good thread. But, Stonington, how will you know when to upgrade?:confused:

          • #1430021

            Gee I just noticed this question sorry for the delay, huh, lets see, how will I know when to upgrade…. interesting question. All I can say is when I learn more about it for one and then after I see several issues clearing up as it goes along. I just encountered another problem with apps not opening but I’m not sure it’s an issue of consequence or not. I see that Windows 8.1 is still in the newest stages of introduction and I guess they are even now working on Windows 9 (last article I read anyway said it may come out sooner). Change is inevitable but these days it happens far too quickly. I guess the answer to the my upgrade date would be when I’m ready to face that hurdle or when I master 8 sufficiently enough to tackle 8.1. I’m afraid by then they will be forcing 8.2 onto us. (hahaha, and that too is happening as I type) Oh my, Lions & Tigers & Bears…, Oh my. :confused: 🙂

    • #1429284

      Hi, Stonington et al,

      Why Are Windows 8 Users Avoiding an Upgrade to 8.1?

      According to this article, 70% of Windows 8 users haven’t upgraded to Windows 8.1.

      http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2013/12/10/windows-8-users-avoiding-upgrade-8-1/?winobserver-8.1upgrades=

    • #1430073

      It should be no surprise that Microsoft is working on the next version of Windows. Microsoft begins the planning effort for the next version well before current version is release – that is they have been working on Windows V.Next while Windows 8.1 was being developed, tested, and released. There are always features that do not make it into the current release for a number of reasons. Some of them will make it into the next version.

      Joe

      --Joe

      • #1430247

        Oh yes Joe P, no doubt but the one thing I see with Microsoft compared to Mac is they release more systems and now they are moving a bit too fast with them. Look at Mac Lion OS-X, 10.0 in 2001, after that they bumped it up incrementally until 10.8 in Summer of 2012 and none of those were made mandatory, they didn’t force you into it and the system has run for 12 years now (counting BETA) with no pressure, it looks like 10.9 Maverick may force a change (maybe) but still after 13 years that’s a single solid system. Then look at Windows, XP in 2001 followed by Vista in 2007 and now it’s ending next year so it lasting for about the same 12 -13 years which was a great run and then Windows 7 made the scene, what ever happened to 7…? Heck it only came out in 2009 it’s not old but now all of a sudden Windows 8 and 8.1 and with 8.2 coming right on it’s heals and Windows 9 and 10 are in the starting gate. As I see it XP was very good and 8.0 was introduced too soon, it should have waited until 8.1 or even 8.2 was ready and Windows 9 should be at least 10 to 12 years out similar to XP with the Service Packs. Today the changes happen just too darn fast, they intro them when they aren’t ready. And what is this “Metro” thing…, wow what the heck is that all about? Gee wiz talk about someone thinking off base. They want to treat a computer like a phone and it appears they never finished the final testing in BETA and are leaving it up to the public to find and fix the errors for them. SO far I think Windows 8.0 is okay but I still have more respect for good ole XP-SP3. My wife’s machine has Windows 7 and I like that also, its’ clean and easy to use, a cousin to XP in many ways but it’s being tossed to the side of the road for 8 and children. Today I think it happening too quickly, they need to step back and look at what they are doing and when, too many things being sold untested and years too soon. Seven has some miles to go before it ends. (For the record I am a Windows guy not a Mac guy but I happen to own one.)

    • #1430376

      XP Service pack 2 had enough in it that it probably should have been a new version of Windows. Back then a new version of Windows was being released every 2 – 3 years. There were two reasons there was such a big gap between XP & Vista. One was SP2 not being a new version. The other was the complete reset after Microsoft figured out it could not deliver on “Longhorn”.

      Release dates for Windows:
      RTM Retail
      3.1 3/1992 4/6/1992
      95 8/24/1995
      98 5/15/1998 6/25/1998
      ME 6/19/2000 9/14/2000
      XP 8/24/2001 10/25/2001
      XP SP2 8/25/2004
      Vista 11/08/2006 1/30/2007
      7 7/22/2009 10/22/2009
      8 8/1/2012 10/26/2012
      8.1 8/27/2013 10/17/2013

      Yes, Microsoft have said they are going to be releasing OS updates/upgrades at a faster pace. But as far as introducing new versions go, you are not obligated to upgrade Windows. It is your choice. Just as Apple does with Mac OSX and new MacBooks or Mac Pro machines new Windows based machines will have the latest version. Don’t for a minute think Microsoft is alone in planning future releases as a “new” release makes its way through development, testing, and release.

      Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about new versions of Windows but let’s not place Apple on a pedestal when it comes to software releases. Apple’s naming conventions have not stopped them from trumpeting a very large number of improvements with almost all of their releases. External naming means nothing about content much less whether or not the new version is a simple update (i.e. a service pack) or an upgrade. Apple have charged for their updates/upgrades until the most recent version. They also abandoned older hardware and software with one of their releases – I don’t remember which one. OSX has its share of problems too. The various interim updates often have many tens to hundreds of fixes and are a huge size.

      The pace of change is often difficult to comprehend. Something more sedate would be nice at times but Microsoft and others have made the decision that they can’t function like that any more. Still, no one is being forced to upgrade.

      Joe

      --Joe

      • #1430428

        Hey Joe, oh please don’t get me wrong, no sir…, in no way am I putting Mac on a pedestal, not at all, the only reason I own one is for certain professional software for a business I had – that is the only reason I run one. No sir I am a Windows guy all the way and always have been. Given a head to head I’ll take any Windows over a Mac any day. I guess I didn’t word myself clearly enough and with no personal facial expressions it sounds like I”m down on Windows – Nope, not me. My favorite system to date is XP SP-3 Media version, that’s my personal favorite and I am sad to see it go. No sir-e, Mac is okay and they have a place for sure but all said give me a Window to throw that Mac out of. (Ok now that’s a joke…. 😀 :rolleyes: Even with the updates and all jazz with the XP I looked forward to it, XP never threw me curve that I didn’t enjoy in some way even when they were pain in the neck issues. No sir, I really like my XP unit and when the day comes it’s finally over I will miss it like an old friend (Ok, that’s sick, I know – I know)
        The change going into Windows 8 was one I was almost happy to see just because of my curiosity and hopes but darn it the Metro sucks if it’s not working right and it simply seams that it was lat out too early and with too many basic issues. I never heard of anyone being thrown offline with XP or any of the other problems this has but them again 8 should do a lot more and with greater ease. It’ll take me time to warn up to the new Op Sys but I will, with help – maybe even from you and the folks here too (that is why I’m here in the first place, getting some advice on the new stuff) yup Metro sucks but I’ll take it over my i-Mac any day. I simply can’t get that warm cozy feel for the Mac like I do with a good Windows Machine. Heck they hide stuff and one thing that drive me wild is iTunes. No joke – nearly every time I use it they have another version to install, the last one I refused the the agreement on out of frustration they locked me out of my own iPod, what a bunch of who-ie that is. Nope, Mac is not my pal it was a requirement for the business, that is all…. and I tried every way I could to get around it, are you kidding me – – – that iMac cost a small fortune, for the same money I could have picked up a super duper Windows unit and would have been twice as happy with it. My new computer, the Toshiba Satellite is great, I really like that thing and sooner or later I will have it singing using Windows 8 or 8.1 or 8.2, wherever it ends up and I will relax like I did (still do) with my pal XP-SP-3
        Hahaha, ready for this…, I even partitioned the hard-drive and installed VMware in the iMac to incorporate Windows XP and I had to buy a separate license / disc for that operating system just so I could get more out of the thing. I hope you know what I mean a little better, I’m just a bit frustrated with the new system right now. Like I said in the last line of the last post, “For the record I am a Windows guy not a Mac guy but I happen to own one.”
        Ok Joe got to run, catch you later.
        Jack 😎

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