Windows Update UI Deprecated!

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Hey Y’all,

Just got back from a week in Costa Rica and decided to update my Win 10 TP and was surprised when I tried to run Windows Update from the search box.
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So I followed the instructions and after the updates were applied I got this new screen:
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{sorry about the cut off graphic as I didn’t see it until after reboot I can’t get it back right now :angry: }

I have mixed feelings about this as you have several clicks (until someone finds a shortcut) {Settings -> Update & Recovery -> Check for updates} to get to Windows Update while I do like that the restart options are provided upfront and in an easy to use manner. YMMV HTH :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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That is fine, Geek, I do not mind it at all. Can we blame you for this as you were away ?

Some of the screen views in my mind do not show a very professional presentation but I look at them for a few seconds only. They look like C=64 screens. As long as they do the desired options, that is what counts. Jean.

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Welcome back RG, I hope you had a good holiday.

I noticed this a few days ago with manual WU but it surprised me when it said “You don’t normally use your PC around 10PM so we’ll schedule the update for then” or words to that effect.

Big brother is here!

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RG, welcome back!

Simply typing Up in the search box and clicking on Update (Control Panel) gets me directly to Windows Update. You can also pin Settings to the Task Bar and eliminate one of your clicks. I suspect a future release will let you pin Windows Update to the Task Bar and Start. Also the Start Menu replacements (Classic Shell, Start is Back, etc) will also probably include a direct shortcut.

Jerry

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Cheers Drew.

I did find it rather curious as my PC is normally in use at the time specified.

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Hey Y’all,

Here’s the screen shot I tried to show in Post #1:
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There must be a bug in Win 10 TP’s version of the Snipping Tool as the Window Snip option still only captures part of the displayed window. I had to use a Rectangular snip to get the full window to post. Or maybe this is just because I’m running my TP in VirtualBox?
Could someone who has the TP installed normally verify this one way or the other please? :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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If you are talking about the Snipping tool, The window Snip function works fine for me with Windows 10 installed on a disk rather than a VM.

Jerry

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Jerry,

Thanks, that’s exactly what I was talking about. Seems there is a problem with it when running in VirtualBox. I’m not exactly sure why that is but I’ve observed the behavior on more than one occasion, actually every time I try to take a Window snip. :cheers:

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

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Here is the registry edit to bring back the old windows update.

Change HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsUpdateUXIsConvergedUpdateStackEnabled to 0

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Here is the registry edit to bring back the old windows update.

Change HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsUpdateUXIsConvergedUpdateStackEnabled to 0

From the Insider Hub:

“We’ve seen a few forum posts talking about changing registry keys to alter the update experience we shipped in Technical Preview build 9926. There are a couple of reasons that we don’t recommend doing things like that.

First, the default experience is what we’ve tested across not just the Windows 10 team, but across all of Microsoft before we released it to you. That doesn’t mean that you won’t still find bugs, but it’s definitely the code that’s been most thoroughly tested. Changing things back to older versions is risky because the combination of those old settings with the rest of Windows 10 is not something that’s been validated or supported, so we can’t predict the side effects. It’s possible that changing registry settings related to update could cause a machine to no longer be able to get new updates or Technical Preview builds.

The other reason to avoid changing the default update experience is that a lot of update-related code is actually being re-written in order to scale across the variety of different device types Windows 10 will support. Since Technical Previews are a work-in-progress, some code that may still be in build 9926 won’t actually ship in the final version of Windows 10 that we provide to all our customers, so trying to re-enable that code temporarily won’t provide a way to accurately assess Windows 10’s update capabilities.”

Jerry

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Update : Thanks Jerry. I am fully in accordance with this on-going process. I use the Tools -> Windows Update and thus I get the new screen, I hope that this conforms. All good wishes. Jean.

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From the Insider Hub:

“We’ve seen a few forum posts talking about changing registry keys to alter the update experience we shipped in Technical Preview build 9926. There are a couple of reasons that we don’t recommend doing things like that.

First, the default experience is what we’ve tested across not just the Windows 10 team, but across all of Microsoft before we released it to you. That doesn’t mean that you won’t still find bugs, but it’s definitely the code that’s been most thoroughly tested. Changing things back to older versions is risky because the combination of those old settings with the rest of Windows 10 is not something that’s been validated or supported, so we can’t predict the side effects. It’s possible that changing registry settings related to update could cause a machine to no longer be able to get new updates or Technical Preview builds.

The other reason to avoid changing the default update experience is that a lot of update-related code is actually being re-written in order to scale across the variety of different device types Windows 10 will support. Since Technical Previews are a work-in-progress, some code that may still be in build 9926 won’t actually ship in the final version of Windows 10 that we provide to all our customers, so trying to re-enable that code temporarily won’t provide a way to accurately assess Windows 10’s update capabilities.”

Jerry

This is a “stock” statement. While there is some truth to this, it remains a fact that the old windows update is a much friendlier experience giving consumers the option to choose which updates to allow or disallow. While I personally do not use this older interface, and have never had a bad experience with updates, many people have, and would rather have the capability to choose which to install. The new windows update does not allow for this, so in this way it fails.

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This is a “stock” statement. While there is some truth to this, it remains a fact that the old windows update is a much friendlier experience giving consumers the option to choose which updates to allow or disallow. While I personally do not use this older interface, and have never had a bad experience with updates, many people have, and would rather have the capability to choose which to install. The new windows update does not allow for this, so in this way it fails.

It may be a stock statement but this is a Test Preview, not a final release. Messing with the registry in beta software can have unpredictable results. Also, just because you can’t hide individual updates in this version doesn’t mean it won’t be possible in later versions and/or the final release. If you feel strongly about the current Windows Update, use the Windows Feedback app to report it. Microsoft has demonstrated that they will change if enough complaints about a feature are registered.

Jerry

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No problem Jean. You should be using Settings > Update and Recovery. You should be seeing the same screen that RG posted.

Jerry

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Yes, indeed, Jerry. I see the same screen thus my mention that I think that I conform to the intent of W-10.
I have been using lately your way to go to the Updates, bottom left corner -> Search -> Up… and there it is.
The only “escape” is that I do not leave it ON overnight. I shut it down. Sinner ? Be good. Jean.

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Then we’re both sinners…… I shut down nightly as well.

Jerry

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Hello, Ken. You wrote :

my removable card slot drives don’t come up under disk management or device management.

I had the same problem with a ReadyBoost card. I went to the Toshiba site and D/L’d a driver for Vista, I could not find anything recenter ( ? ):o: Lô & Behold, it worked. Might you have the same luck.

Good wishes. Jean.

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Hello, Drew. You typed at the World :

“Always up‑to‑date”

Apple has been doing this for decades ! My Valentine here was given an Air and I noticed this, she would not know how to update that funny machine. She is at that level anyway. Be good. Jean.

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A minor point: Why is there a Windows 10 Forum already? It has not yet been released; so should it not still be in the “Beta Software” forum? Nevertheless, thanks for all the interesting posts(!!)

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A minor point: Why is there a Windows 10 forum already? It has not yet been released; so should it not still be in the “Beta” forum?

My Rig: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core CPU; ASUS Cross Hair VIII Formula Mobo; Win 11 Pro (64 bit)-(UEFI-booted); 32GB RAM; 2TB Corsair Force Series MP600 Pro 2TB PCIe Gen 4.0 M.2 NVMe SSD. 1TB SAMSUNG 960 EVO M.2 NVME SSD; MSI GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC; Microsoft 365 Home; Condusiv SSDKeeper Professional; Acronis Cyberprotect, VMWare Workstation Pro V17.5. HP 1TB USB SSD External Backup Drive). Dell G-Sync G3223Q 144Hz Monitor.

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