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    This first entry is largely based on a comment I wrote elsewhere, but maybe deserves to be the start of a thread, because other people who have at least a vague intention of making such a switch, or who have made it already, might read this and add comments and questions on what I think is the object of a rather widespread current interest. Not necessarily just on how easy it may be to ditch Windows and move to Mac’s macOS for those who only have used Windows until now. But, more generally, on how easy or difficult it could be for Windows-only-until-now users to move to another operating system that is also in use by a considerable number of different people, worldwide, that do different things with their computers, Linux being the other main example.

    Please, feel free to add your own experience, agree, disagree, make specific recommendations.
    But also please, no: “Macs are too expensive!”, or “it is all the same capitalist shell-game with a different player!”, or “MS top managers should all go to jail!” or similar unproductive opinions that really have nothing to do with the topic here, that has to do only on how easy or otherwise can be to use a computer with an operating system, such as macOS, one has not used before. Besides, this is not in the “Rants” forum.

    So, Windows to Mac, from my own experience:

    If you can handle a Windows PC, you can handle a Mac. There is little difference in the user interface, the desktop, folders, etc. Much of the things one has to set up or do under the hood, may have different names and be in different places, but they do the same things. The question is finding them. There some external help, of the kinds I pass to mention, would probably put you on the right track.

    macOS is mostly a form of UNIX, so if one is familiar with UNIX, Linux, FreeBSD, etc. and knows how to use the command line with any of these, so much the better, because one is immediately fluent in macOS-speak. But this is not at all essential, just an added helpful thing to know: to the Mac uninitiated but familiar with Linux, Unix, etc., the macOS command line language is not a mystery command line language, like Windows’. (I know some will take exception to this last observation: I don’t mind.)

    You might need to get a cheat sheet like one of those sold at e.g. Amazon, for keyboard shortcuts, etc.

    There are also books on macOS, accessibly written. I bought two of those when I bought my current Mac, as I had not worked with a Mac for more than two decades previously. But I rarely have had the need to use them.

    There is plenty of information online, and if you are any good at googling for things you need to know you’ll find some decent advice that way.

    You can always ask here at AskWoody for things you can’t figure out otherwise. And there is already plenty of information here in Forums/AskWoody Support/non-Windows operating systems/macOS.

    It will take some learning and practicing, but nothing you might never have done before, and it will be gradual. Keep your Windows machine in good working order during the transition, so you can fall back on it if necessary. Or to run software you need to use and is only available for Windows.

    While there are Macs with Intel central processor units (CPUs) still being made and sold, the current direction at Apple is to emphasize the new generation of Macs, with Apple’s customized ARM RISC CPUs, for reasons of greater speed and power economy, including longer times running on battery alone, in the case of laptops.

    Developers of applications will have to follow Apple’s hardware design trend. So the support for anything that runs on Macs with Intel CPUs, even new ones, will drop over time. As is likely, looking into my dirty and cracked crystal ball, to drop Apple’s support for Intel Macs and their operating systems, whether these are new machines or not, faster than usual.

    If I were to buy a new Mac now, I will buy one with the ARM-type CPU, known generically as “Silicon Macs.” I would not worry too much about price, because here you really get what you pay for. And I would buy a Mac with the biggest capacity SSD on offer, because the last thing I would like to happen is that it runs out of enough mass storage capacity before it comes the day when the computer must be retired an replaced with a new one, maybe 6 – 8 years from the day it was shipped fresh from Apple in its neat little, or not so little, box.

    For backups you’ll need an external drive, HD or SSD, that I strongly advice have four TB of capacity, if you are buying for the long haul, where to do the backups using the macOS-included “Time Machine” application.

    Macs come with built-in strong defenses in their software against malware, but these might not be always up to date, so it is advisable to get a good real-time antivirus and outward facing firewall. Intego is a company that has been providing this sort of thing to Apple users for many years and is probably one of the best bets. The AV is called VirusBarrier and the firewall is called Net Barrier (they are sold together, as a package), and they do not conflict with anything else in the Mac, in my own experience. I run VirusBarrier in real time, constantly scanning for bugs, and also on demand once a day, when I am ending the day’s session, as well as Malwarebytes, free version, that runs only on demand, so it does not get tangled up with the real-time scanning Intego anti virus. Intego also sells an application called “Washing Machine” that cleans up all the debris collected when Web surfing, etc, and is quite a busy little thing that gets rid of surprising amounts of garbage.

    Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

    MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
    Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
    macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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    • #2398783

      I found it easier to go from Win 7/Win 8.1 to macOS and Linux Mint than to Win 10. Win 10 just seems needlessly and pointlessly complicated. Why do I need to distinguish between pausing and delaying updates? Why do I have to learn that in Microsoftese checking actually means checking AND installing? On macOS and Mint, the updates are there and I have total control all the time over all the updates. Period. Which is as it should be.

      One word about Linux. I only have experience with Mint and Ubuntu. I love Mint, but found Ubuntu to be rather frustrating. So, if you’re curious about Linux, try a few distros; there’s very likely one you will like.

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      • #2399642

        If you used “standard” Ubuntu with the Gnome desktop, I can see why.  I don’t understand why Gnome, the phone interface, is in Ubuntu, it has to turn away many newbies.  Ubuntu has other supported desktops, all of which are similar to Windows or Mac.  Ubuntu Budgie is the closest, a beautiful desktop with a useable dock, lots of customization, it can use gnome extensions without changing the desktop appearance.  Soild and stable like Ubuntu. Cinnamon is the closest desktop Mint has.

        Try Budgie. Overlooked (the name is Pythonesque and I don’t mean the programming language) but the easiest, even easier than Mint, transition from Win or Mac.

        Here’s what it looks like:
        https://ubuntubudgie.org/

    • #2398784

      Most interesting subject, asuming that one is handling Windows really knows what (s)he is doing. For shure the Redmond people don’t know, for there wouldn’t be so many flaws in Windows.

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    • #2398790

      Macs are expensive. I get the cheapest one I can get because their laptops ARE expensive.

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

      • #2398793

        Yes, but please, look at the note in the original comment: this is a discussion on the ease of switching from Windows to macOS and Linux, and how to go about it, not on the cost. Presumably whoever is thinking about switching has plenty of ways to inform himself or herself of the price, and may even have decided that it is something they can afford, and even further decided which computer they want, need, or prefer to buy of the available models offered by Apple, in the case of switching from Windows PCs to macOS running computers. The relative costs of different models and brands is an interesting topic, indeed, that belongs definitely elsewhere.

        Please, do try to stay on topic.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

        • #2398862

          Cost is part of the transition decision as well. You can’t overlook cost as a decision factor.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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          • #2398903

            This thread is only about the part of the decision to start using macOS or Linux that concerns the difficulty of switching from Windows to Mac OS, or from Windows to Linux. There are other issues to consider, in deciding to buy a Mac, for example, but those issues belong somewhere else, not in this thread. To comment on those, by all means, those wishing to do so can start their own threads, and, please, pretty please, leave this one alone. Thank you

            Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

            MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
            Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
            macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2398830

      this is a discussion on the ease of switching from Windows to macOS and Linux, and how to go about it, not on the cost.

      You are right. I think and hope that very soon this will become more common. Living with the “easy” Chromebooks and being fogged in the data-giants-clouds will come to an end too.

      At this time people want everything presented in a management wrapup of some ¼A4-format. The very young will bring the change you talked about; IMHO

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    • #2398838

      I won’t switch to MacOS as the hardware is too expensive (I build my own workstations).  I cannot switch to Linux because Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop are not ported to that OS.  I don’t mind using Windows at all.

      • #2398901

        This tread is only about how easy or difficult it is for someone sitting in front of a Mac for the first time, after having used only Windows maybe for years, to start using the Mac. Or if in front of a Linux PC, to start using Linux.

        The reason this person is sitting in front of a Mac or a Linux PC is not relevant to how easy or difficult making the switch of OS from Widows to macOS, or to Linux, for this person, might be. The reason for considering switching is this person business, and nobody else’s. The ease or difficulty to start using a different OS  is the one and only purpose of this thread. How a Mac got there, in front of this person, or rather, how this person got there, in front of a Mac, or of a Linux PC, and whether people think Macs are too expensive, or whether someone likes Windows better and intends never to use a Mac, for example, is neither here nor there. If someone wants to comment on those issues, that are completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread, I recommend that they do us a big favor — to us who are actually interested in what is the true and narrowly defined topic of this thread and already explained here, in clear terms, in this very thread, more than once — and start their own threads, preferably in “Rants.”

        Thank you.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2398841

      It depends on the person. I am young and flexible, and I’m able to learn new things fairly quickly. I switched from Windows to Mac, and while it took a bit of getting used to, within a few days I had gotten used to the different keyboard shortcuts and the different conventions in macOS compared to Windows. My mother, on the other hand, is much older and has spent most of her life working with Windows and IBM PCs, so she’s used to the conventions there. She has never used a Mac, and would struggle more than I did with learning it. She might be able to learn it eventually, if forced to use only a Mac as her daily driver, but it would certainly be a much longer learning process for her.

      • #2398899

        Anonymous #2398841 : I do not think this is really a full answer to your comment about this being much harder for older people, because, yes, it definitely depends on the person, and this might include, as a factor, the age of that person.

        But I was 75 when I first got a Mac after most of a quarter century of using Windows (98, XP,  7) and that was about 4.5 years ago, while I re-started using Linux regularly some 2 years ago, and I have not been getting any younger in the meantime. So, at least for some of us, there might be still hope …

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2398850

      Been using Windows since the beginning, so pretty used to that. Have periodically tried Linux over the years. Initially it was VERY frustrating because the look and feel of the OS was considerably different. The big stumbling block was hardware drivers. Loading drivers in Windows is not hard. Loading them in Linux IF you can find them is something I still find hugely daunting. It’s a mess. I spent days trying to find and load a wifi driver. I did finally get it working. I still really don’t have a clue how that particular install worked and the others did not. You are SOL if the video driver does not work, which used to be unfortunately not uncommon. I have not had that problem in years….thankfully.

      It is way more likely to work on install than it used to. I’m another Mint fan (GUI more Windows-like), over Ubuntu. The newest version of Zorin (16) is significantly better than 15 and I generally like it. Some Linux newbies may like it better than other distros.

      If Linux works properly during install, and you can find the apps you require + live with them, then I think it’s a very reasonable option. They make it pretty easy to try out.

      Note – I would NOT, repeat NOT, dual boot a distro with Windows to try it out. Do it on a test bed, or minimally make a Windows image you can go back to first. Most often there is an option to boot off a DVD or flash drive and not touch the Windows installation. You get a ‘taste’ of it that way, but really can’t get down to work, which I think necessary if you REALLY want to try it out.
      Getting a dual boot off your main PC looks like a nightmare. My main PC is dual-boot with Mint. 2x it’s ‘broken’, leaving me ONLY with the option to boot into Linux. It took me DAYS to figure out how to get Windows back. Mucking about at that level is beyond my pay-grade, and I think most people just looking for a working option for regular use.

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      • #2398898

        firstmerk: Thank you for this comment.

        You wrote: “Getting a dual boot off your main PC looks like a nightmare. My main PC is dual-boot with Mint. 2x it’s ‘broken’, leaving me ONLY with the option to boot into Linux.

        That is the very reason why I did not install Linux Mint in the old Windows 7 PC all by myself, but asked a friend who takes care of several Linux machines for NASA to do it for me. I bought him a brace of the kind of science fiction books he likes to read as a “thank you” gift after the did that for me.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2398883

      Oscar and all: I have been an evangelist for Linux, on this and other fora, since the late 80’s/early 90’s. I tried out diff. Linux distros; admiring the GUI, seeing how things worked. Macs don’t interest me; they offer the things that Win & Linux offer as well (don’t want to start an argument about that; just my feeing)………My turning point was the EOL for Win10 1909. I did install the version update; but my head and heart were telling me to make the jump ~then~. On the next morn after my Win 10 V update, I started the day booting into my Linux Mint (have, and still do, a dual boot on the hdwe). I have used Linux Mint every day as my sole machine.
      ……….
      And you know what? ~Every~ computer you try, regardless of OS, is your first experience with it, at one time or another. We are all virgins, until we take the plunge. DayinDayout, having, using and working on a Linux PC is very,very largely the same experience(s) as working on a Win machine. I use my machine all day, all night; every day; work and pleasure. I have never seriously considered going back to Redmond. And I won’t: My machine updates itself every morning, with patches which ~work~, and which don’t break something else; with patches which I think are constantly-scrutinized by a worldwide army of user/programmers, who correct bugs quickly when they find them; and is ultimately backed by companies and individuals, large and small, who ~are~ interested in pleasing their customers and users, but who also give those users real freedom; to install patches or not; to use one program while not being forced to buy/use/install another; and companies who seem not so interested in forcing their users into various matters.
      ……….
      Linux? I love it! It does the job; reliably; and I believe it stays out of the way of my freedom!

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      • #2399370

        I have been an evangelist for Linux, on this and other fora, since the late 80’s/early 90’s.

        I have been an evangelist for Linux, on this and other fora, since the late 80’s/early 90’s.

        Linux kernel version history

        Hope this helps.

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    • #2398980

      I know that there used to be computer manufacturers that sold some of theirs with Linux preinstalled. Some, if I remember correctly, came with a choice of Linux distros: Somewhat different versions from different developers, varying from each other on things such as certain applications and some details of the Graphical User Interface (what goes on the desktop and windows, also in the menus). I have agreed already, in an earlier comment here, that installing Linux oneself is not the safest thing for someone not really experienced with computers to do, and further stated that it is much safer to get help from someone who knows how to do this. Buying a new PC with Linux on it already installed, out of the box, and choosing when ordering the machine the distro to be preinstalled on it, seems to be another sensible way to go. Any opinions on this and some thoughts on good Linux computers, if any?

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #2398984

        Dell sells computers with Linux installed and I’m pretty sure HP does, too. Smaller outfits include System 76 and Think Penguin (not totally sure about this last name). If you want Mint, go to the Mint website and you’ll see an ad or 2 for computers that come with Mint installed.

        I’ve always installed Linux myself on my own computers. I’ve done a total of 6 installations, 3 of which were dual boots with Win 7. By no stretch of the imagination do I consider myself to be a techie, so I’m content with default installations – I let the installation automatically take care of HD partitioning. The only problem I’ve ever had is not being able to connect to my router with wifi. That was easily solved by using a wifi usb dongle which got me online after which the Mint driver manager went out and got the correct driver for the computer’s internal wifi.

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        • #2398985

          DrBonzo: Two questions:

          (1) My router has and USB and an Ethernet socket to connect to either USB or Ethernet in a PC.

          Is something like that what you used to deal with this?

          The only problem I’ve ever had is not being able to connect to my router with wifi. That was easily solved by using a wifi usb dongle which got me online after which the Mint driver manager went out and got the correct driver for the computer’s internal wifi.

          (2) You have installed six different distros of Linux, and it is often recommend to try a few distros to decide which one is best for oneself.

          Perhaps you could expand a bit on this and explain how does one try a different Linux distro?

          Does one, for example, have to reformat the disk and then make a clean install, or there is a less drastic way of getting the same result?

           

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

          • #2398987

            My router has usb and ethernet connections also, but I knew the computer in question – and it was only one computer that had the wifi connection problem – would only be connecting via wifi, so I got a wifi dongle that plugs into a usb socket on the computer, and that’s how I initially connected for the first time. I would have been happy using the usb dongle as a more or less permanent solution for connecting wirelessly, but as I said, the driver manager then went out and got the correct driver for the computer’s internal wifi.

            I’ve done 6 installations but only 2 distros – Ubuntu a couple times and Mint the other times. With either Ubuntu or Mint you download the version you want, and then make an iso on a usb flash drive using a program like Rufus (there are other programs also). You get into the computer’s BIOS and set it to boot from the usb flash drive. After booting you’ll be asked if you want to install to your hard drive or just use it from the usb flash drive. In my case the first couple times I booted from the flash drive I just ran it from the flash drive. When I decided I liked it enough, I chose the install to hard drive. The installation will tell you if it detects an operating system but will automatically take care of any formatting of the hard drive that may be required after warning you that you’ll lose all your data. If you decide to install a different distro just make an iso on a flash drive, run it from the drive or install it on the hard drive.

            All the above is if you want just a single OS. If you want a dual boot you’ll be given that option as well, and the installation will automatically decide how much of the hard drive will be allotted to the old OS and how much will be for the new distro. You can do this manually if you prefer but you need to know what you’re doing. I probably wouldn’t feel comfortable doing it manually.

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    • #2399041

      Most of my computer use and experience has been with DOS and then MS Windows starting from Win 3.1.  For the most part I’ve been satisfied with MS Windows, especially since Win 95B which was a major improvement.

      I’ve never used any Apple or Mac computers so I can’t really comment one way or another as to how good they are.  If need be, I could most likely learn to use one in not much more time than it took me to jump from Win XP to Win 7.  I didn’t go past Win 7 because I was really turned off by the original Win 8.

      As a result of my brother’s influence, I started experimenting with Linux Mint about 5 years ago.  I was pleasantly surprised how far they had come with the User Interface and I learned how to use it pretty fast.  I’m now still using Linux Mint Cinnamon and I find it a pleasure to use and don’t have to deal with the worries of MS Windows these days.

      I like Linux Mint, but I’m sure there are many other distros that are as good and maybe even better.  As time goes by I might try a few others, which will certainly help keep my brain as sharp as possible.

      Being 20 something in the 70's was so much better than being 70 something in the insane 20's
      • #2399062

        Charlie, I don’t know how you got Linux installed, but otherwise your experience with Mint, as you have described it, has been virtually exactly the same as mine. Also equally easy, and even pleasant, with the Mac. (working with any OS on any computer always has its problems, so the pleasure is never undiluted, but as with computers, so with life, I think.)

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2399094

      Clarification of a router’s USB port
      As far as I have ever experienced, a router’s USB port is ONLY for connection to a printer or storage drive. Connecting a USB wifi dongle to such a port on the router will probably get you nowhere.

      Testing/trying out distros
      Not every Linux distro will allow you to run the distro from the USB drive (or CD/DVD). Though that’s rare from my experience, I have run across a very small handful that will only permit you to install the distro or allow a very limited use of it. I would not install a distro without trying it out first and getting a favorable feel of it — and that includes knowing for a fact that it will come with working drivers for all my connected hardware. I would not want to spend the time installing a distro that then forced me to search for drivers to make critical components work. No wifi? Move on to the next distro. If I really REALLY had my heart set on a specific distro, I might take some time to figure out how to get it to work, but generally I would just move on.

      MX Linux was one of those distros that was worth spending time on. Originally, I had tried it out and it was by far the snappiest distro I had ever experienced. But when I found that the wifi didn’t work, I wiped MX off the flash drive. Fast forward a year and I kept reading really good things about MX and it was at the top of DistroWatch’s listings. By then I had also tried out AntiX Linux and began using it and liking it. When I found there was a tight relationship between AntiX and MX, I went back to give MX another try. I found Dolphin Oracles’s YouTube videos on MX and AntiX entertaining AND useful and they eventually helped me solve the wifi problem. MX Linux became my go-to distro with AntiX for a rather old and limited laptop (only 2G of RAM, max). The only obstacle left was that MX wouldn’t work on one laptop that had hybrid graphics. Enter a new laptop also with hybrid graphics. After testing Manjaro with a live USB and finding that it worked on both rather easily, that became the distro installed on them.

      Dual booting
      Up until the first laptop with the hybrid graphics, I never installed any of the distros but used them only off the flash drives. MX and AntiX were absolutely far and away the best and most usable as working live USB “installs”. I use a single MX Live USB for multiple computers and each time it boots, it would adapt itself to the computer without skipping a beat. The above laptop with hybrid graphics had been a hand-me-down and my initial intention was to leave it to run Win7 and be perhaps a test bed for throwaway programs. I had/have nothing to lose on it so that was the first to get the dual boot setup with Manjaro. I did run into a problem once with Manjaro and had to reinstall it, but that had no adverse affect on the Win7 install.

      However, I DID run into a dual boot problem with a new laptop. It came with Win10 and I had absolutely no intentions whatsoever of ever activating or running Win10 unless and until I needed to use the manufacturer’s utility to update the UEFI or to modify some hardware options (like keyboard lighting or battery charge limits). So I installed Manjaro in a dual boot setup and everything was working quite nicely until I went to upgrade the RAM and setup a utility SSD. On one of the restarts, the Win10 activation took over before I realized what had happened and it TOTALLY WRECKED the dual booting and modified my Linux setup and partitioning to the point where the only resort left to me was to reinstall Manjaro from scratch.

      As far as I am concerned, I will not dual boot anything with Windows (specifically any Windows beyond Win7) ever again; if I need Windows, it will be strictly via a VM. My SSD/non-VM solution, if anyone is interested, as far as using the manufacturer utilities is to use a separate SSD. I had imaged the original unactivated Win10 setup soon after taking the new laptop out of its box; that image (slightly modified in order to fit onto a smaller SSD) was restored to a new SSD and that SSD was then removed and set on a shelf for use only in those brief times when necessary (and all other drives which contain my Linux install would be removed at that point). Any and all vestiges of Microsnot have been wiped clean off the remaining drives. I have read too many reports of Win10 updates mangling Linux installs to want to go through this re-install again.

      Moving from one OS to another: CP/M-86 to Mac to Win3
      I met and fell in love with Lisa in the early 80’s. I sat in a demo of the new Apple Lisa and MacPaint sold me but $10,000 was a steep price that I couldn’t touch. As soon as Macintosh appeared, I snapped one up. Switching to the Mac GUI from the command line of CP/M was simple and the ease of learning and using new programs was wonderful. A few years later, the company I worked for stopped supporting Apple and I was forced to switch to Windows 3.0 (having just dodged the bullet that was OS/2). It was a pain and there was effort required to learn the Windows interface; it was not as intuitive as the Mac and some things didn’t make sense. But being forced to work on it, as well as having to teach other people how to use it, made it easier over time. Eventually, I found it an advantage to know where the tweaks and controls were hidden. From Win3 to Windows for Workgroups to Win95 to Win98 and Win98SE to Win7, there were a few changes and things got moved around but I was able to adapt easily.

      Moving from one OS to another: Win7 to Linux
      Reading about Win8 was a turn-off; it seemed like an even worse bomb than Vista had originally been and I decided to bypass it. When Win10 was offered, I hopped in and tried it out. It only took a month before I wiped it off the hard drive. Microsnot’s desperate attempts at forcing and tricking people to switch to Win10 caused me to start looking at Linux distros. I read up on the different distros and decided that the more popular ones would likely have better support available and started testing those. So I started downloading ISO images, burned them to CD-RWs and tried them out. Ubuntu gave way to Mint and I settled on that for a short while but kept looking. Networking was usually the selling point; more often than not, it was the wifi or the Ethernet drivers that would fail and I’d scratch that distro off the list. The desktops and the most common programs matched Windows pretty closely, closely enough that I had no problem figuring out how to do things. Finding where files were stored was a different beast and I think I’ll have to find some tutorial somewhere that gives me a better foundation and starting point than the hunting and pecking I’m doing now. Overall, as a user, I don’t think there would be any obstacle in switching over from Windows to Linux. But the more technical you are, the more you want or need to know where obscure program files are stored, the steeper will be the learning curve. I am finding that there is a distinct advantage to using a distro like Manjaro because of the availability of an active, knowledgable and helpful forum to bring your questions and problems to for likely solutions.

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    • #2399096

      owburp: Great comment, very informative. I wonder if now Mint might not be over those drivers’ problem you mentioned. For example, I have not had problems with WiFi using Mint, but I have not gone back to it for a while now.

      Also: anyone has an opinion on using a Virtual Machine (VM) to run and test different Linux distros? Wouldn’t that give a misleading impression, for example, of the availability of drivers, as the ones actually used would be, I imagine, those of the host computer? Any other good/bad points on testing a distro by running it on a VM?

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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      • #2399128

        Thanks, OscarCP! Actually Mint wasn’t one of the distros I tested that had problems with drivers; that’s why it was one of the possibilities for Windows replacement. The Cinnamon desktop was one that I liked most at the time but there were these little nagging annoyances — nothing that was a deal breaker, but enough that I felt I was settling. It was the same with MX in the beginning: along with the broken wifi was a desktop that I wasn’t crazy about. It wasn’t until KDE Plasma fixed its resource hogging issues and I found Manjaro and Plasma to be just right for me that I knew whichever distro I wound up with, it HAD to have Plasma as the desktop environment. When I tried MX again and fixed the wifi issue, KDE Plasma became available as an option and I immediately jumped on it, even moved Manjaro aside because of it. MX (and AntiX) had a really well thought out setup for a LiveUSB environment so there was no real need to do an actual install on a computer. I could set up the live environment on a flash drive, installing all the software I wanted to use, do all the tweaks and customizing I wanted and move the flash drive from one computer to another at will. If my kitties took over my chair at the desktop PC, I went over to one of the laptops, boot the flash drive and did my work. When I was done (and the chair became free), I’d move over to the desktop computer, boot that same flash drive and continue exactly where I left off. The important point is that I got to spend some major time using MX and got comfortable knowing that I could survive without Windows (well, there are some Windows programs that I’d want to use so Wine or PlayonLinux or a Win7 VM would definitely be in the cards down the road); MX became my top choice to replace Windows. Unfortunately, my two newest computers — both recent issue laptops with hybrid GPUs — balked at MX. [MX is based on Debian and is rock-solid stable because it’s not cutting-edge and the developers spend a lot of time working it over before releasing updates; hence very new hardware tends to have more of difficult time running it. Or at least that’s my best guess of the situation.] So for my newer hardware, it will be Manjaro KDE.

        I don’t see Mint in the radar for myself at all, given that KDE Plasma is not available. But for many (most?) people, Ubuntu and Mint are good bets as starting points with Linux because they seem to have fewer problems with missing drivers.

        As far as testing Linux distros with a VM goes, I think you are losing sight of a major target audience. Those users who want to try out Linux and are hesitant about it aren’t the same users who have VMs running in their computers. If you have VMs figured out and set up, you’ve probably got enough technical abilities that you’re not going to worry about trying out a new OS and adapting to it. No, the people who are worried about whether switching OS’s will be too difficult, too much of a strange experience, too much of a hassle that, although they are tired of being abused by Win10 (and soon Win11), they are also fearful of a major change to a new OS and are worried that they won’t have the abilities to get the OS to work. Those are the users who need a (relatively) simple way to try out a distro or two or three. Downloading and installing Rufus, then downloading an ISO and burning it to a flash drive may seem daunting to them at first, but the procedure is not that hard and becomes easy after a few times. The trial run is then done against the very hardware that it would eventually be installed on so they know immediately whether or not all the drivers are there (in a VM, the distro is using the virtual hardware of the VM not the actual hardware in the computer — that’s the reason an existing Win license won’t work, it thinks it’s running on a different computer). If the hardware works properly, they can then try out the distro, use some software, get a feel for the desktop and how things work together. They can do all this safely and without modifying their existing Windows environment. Try before you buy! You just can’t do better than that. If they don’t like the particular distro, they just install a different one on the flash drive and start over again. Other than downloading the ISOs to the hard drive, nothing else has changed in the current Windows setup and nothing will change until they find a distro to their liking and have decided that is the one they will install to replace Windows. I don’t see any downside to it.

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        • #2399156

          owburp: Sorry, I might have gone off topic. I was asking about the use of testing different distros on a VM because this is a question I have been having in mind. In other words, I wanted to know about that for myself. I am going to install a VM when I have a day or two free of other obligations, on my Mac. So, after that, I have been thinking that it might be a good idea to try some Linux distros quickly on the VM. But probably the way you have explained, with a flash drive, is better.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

          • #2399164

            Off the top of my head, here’s a perhaps clearer take on trying out a Linux distro via a VM vs via a flash drive copy of the ISO. If you understand WHY you are testing or experimenting with this distro, you might be able see the advantage(s) of one way vs the other.

            If you are testing the distro simply to experience its interface, what it looks like and the ease or difficulty of working with it, then either way would suffice. But if you want to know how — or, more importantly, IF — the distro functions with your specific hardware — whether it be missing drivers or the loss of some functions — then I think the best route to that is by using the USB drive.

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          • #2399414

            It occurs to me that there is another advantage to using a VM to try out a distro and it has to do with the difference between using an uninstalled ISO on a flash drive vs actually doing an install into a VM. By installing the test distro into a VM, you would have a working version that you could take some time using, making changes and saving data — actually doing some work with it. It’s a proper and valid way of judging whether you could live long term with it. Most ISOs on a flash drive will limit your changes to the session unless there is a Live option that allows you to save your changes. As I mentioned before, MX Linux and AntiX Linux are two distros that I have used over several months working off just the flash drive; they really have their act together setting up a live system on a USB stick.

            The bottom line is still how you intend to test a distro. Just a quick look to see if it will work with your hardware, if the software available in its repos suit you and whether the interface agrees with you — that can be done very efficiently with just an ISO burned to a flash drive. But if you are willing and able to spend a bit of time working with the distro to really give it a test drive, then it might be worth the extra work to get it running in a VM.

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    • #2399429

      owburp: So, if I have understood you so far, one way to bring these two ideas together could be: First, try the ISO on the flash drive to run the distro and see if it lets one use the peripherals and also the things one needs to access in the internet can, indeed, be accessed. If this first part with the flash drive works OK, then one can install the distro on a VM and get in this way a better idea of how it is to work with it. One can do this until one had tested enough of those distros that, after doing some research, seemed likely to be a good fit for what one needs to do with the computer and also how one likes to use it. And in this way finally pick the one that will be installed in dual boot, or as the only OS, or perhaps will be kept on the VM and used in this way.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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      • #2399454

        If you are trying a Linux OS from a USB drive, or a VM, try not to form any opinions about its speed.   They work usually much faster when installed.  I also agree with the warnings against dual boot.  I find that single boot systems are less likely to, when updating or randomly, stop working.  Using 2 laptops while in transition, or if some odd piece of software is needed is probably easiest.

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        • #2399519

          I started off running Linux Mint Cinnamon 17.3 from its DVD. That was slow but it ran very much faster when I installed it.

          Being 20 something in the 70's was so much better than being 70 something in the insane 20's
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      • #2399559

        OscarCP: Bringing the flash drive plus VM ideas together would be, in my mind, a terrific way to truly test a distro for suitability. Use the flash drive to get a quick down and dirty look-see of a distro to judge whether it’s worth the time and energy of installing it into a VM, customizing and tweaking it and then using it over a period of time. I would also agree with anon/2399454’s statement (and Charlie’s experience with a DVD version on top of that) about holding off any opinion of speediness of the distro while using it in a VM or on a flash drive.

        [side note: I have no experience dual booting on a Mac, so I have no opinion on that. I have had a really nasty experience dual booting in a Win10 environment and that, along with some comments I’ve read of others who have had their Linux installs mangled by Win10 updates, makes me suggest very strongly that one should NOT dual boot in a Win10 setup.]

        Your next move would be to narrow down the potential candidates to trial. One path to take is to browse the various distros that some AskWoody posters have used and recommended since you’d have a built-in friendly and helpful community to pose support questions to. I’ve used DistroWatch’s listing of the distros as well as reviews from various sites to come up with some names.

        One suggestion I might offer is to take a good look at what programs you use currently, what tasks you need those programs for and keep those programs in mind as you do your testing. For example, I absolutely require a Timer/Reminder utility and found that KDE Plasma has a utility called KAlarm which is able to display alerts visually as well as audibly and, as an extra bonus, is able to start programs on a schedule (so I can use it to trigger a VLC recording of a streamed program every evening). That one little utility caused me to rule out any distro that did not have a KDE Plasma desktop option and narrowed down the field considerably.

      • #2399560

        Pretty sure we’re off topic, but since OP himself appears to have chosen to shift/expand the discussion…

        respectfully submitted for your _initial_ distro testing consideration:
        DistroTest.net – online operating system tester

        Hope this helps.

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        • #2399647

          Actually I think that we are still on topic, except looking at two different and very important aspects of it: how to get Linux in one’s PC, other than by buying a PC with Linux pre-installed, which was something that I asked earlier on about and from where this series of more recent comments has followed. And how to choose a distro of Linux that has all the person would need and also feels right to the person who decides to use it.

          My own problem with the Linux GUI has been that the buttons for sizing and closing a window are too small and for this reason harder to hit, even when I have still pretty steady hands and good eyesight. Also that the scroll bars are too narrow. This is so when the Linux desktop, for example, is compared to the Windows and macOS GUIs, that have never given me any trouble this way. Also is probably a more noticeable issue in high-resolution screens.

          Now there are some Desktops where their developers get around this problem by scaling the widgets and the size of folders and their names, as well as buttons and scroll bars. Some have a way to adjust this continuously, with a slider, and that seems to me is the better way around these problems.

          In fact, at least to me, things looking too small on the screen has been an issue as old as Linux. It has got much better over time, but I suspect that still can be improved enough that people will notice.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2399644

      Not sure where this thread is at but…

      I got into Linux a few years ago with Mint.  Wasn’t too hard but I’m fairly good with windows and have been dabbling with computers and networking since the 1970’s. If you really, really hate windows, an easy to use distro will give a typical user a decent range of capabilities.  Web browsing, office stuff, vid and pic editing, etc., and no MS. Mostly.

      What that user will quickly find is choices in Linux apps are very limited compared to Windows.  Not so much a transition thing, more of a realization of limitations.  If you like playing with new Windows programs a lot, Linux will disappoint. Linux is developed and maintained almost totally by volunteers, and the distros you’ll use are free, so be nice!

      Picking the right distro is the most important factor; some are easy to use, some impossible for a newbie.  Ones I’ve found easy to use are, in no particular order:

      Ubuntu Budgie (my no.1 recommendation)

      Mint Cinnamon (easy, pretty desktop)

      KDE Plasma (good intro to Plasma, very lightweight)

      Manjaro (Plasma. Rolling releases can be unpredictable)

      Ubuntu Studio (great creativity programs bundled in it, Plasma now, was XFCE)

      Those I would not recommend:

      Standard Ubuntu (gnome desktop is too different from much anything else)

      Arch (does absolutely nothing until you put together the parts you want.)

      Debian (more assembled than Arch but not GUI oriented enough for newbies)

      Fedora (wait until you’re more adept to attempt it)

      Again, picking the right distro makes the difference between “Linux is easy!” and “I didn’t understand Linux at all!”

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      • #2399651

        Great comment, SallyBrown: it addresses a very important part of the advice and useful information for people that have not used Linux, or macOS, or anything other than Windows and is considering the possibility of changing it for one of these two OS. My own recommendation to newbies considering Linux would be: Mint Cinnamon and KDE Plasma. There is plenty written about both here in AskWoody’s Forums/Non-Windows operating systems/macOS [Linux] and also in various places, including those of the developers of these two distros.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

        • #2399806

          Just to clarify, KDE Plasma is not a distro but a desktop environment (DE) that is available for some distros. MX Linux and Manjaro are two distros, for example, that offer KDE Plasma as a DE among several other DE’s. Neon KDE is, I believe, the distro that Ascaris here runs. Neon is a bleeding edge distro in that any new features and/or changes are released quickly and before any other distro and, as such, is not a distro for the faint of heart (or newbie).

          By the way, Ascaris is a prime example of someone who has a specific need and purpose in mind and tried several distros before Neon. If I recall, there was a particular utility, KDE Connect, that worked properly in Neon but not in any of the other distros that offered KDE Plasma as a DE. He is a model that one should follow in selecting a particular distro — define your needs and wants for the work you intend to do, figure out which programs will give you what is necessary to carry out that work, find a distro that offers that software as well as a desktop that feels comfortable and makes sense to you.

          In my hopping around, using only the ISO burned to a flash drive and booting to the live environment, I found only one or two that would not allow me to access the list of programs that were easily available to that distro. If I did not find the handful of programs that I wanted, I moved on to the next distro.

      • #2399756

        SallyBrown wrote:
        choices in Linux apps are very limited compared to Windows

        This hasn’t been my experience, certainly not recently; to quote myself from an earlier post (made on Jan 12, 2019 – almost three years ago):

        “Regarding software: with (a) the abundant software options freely available for installation and use in the software repositories of major distributions, and (b) the option of using Wine to run major “Windows only” programs on *nix-based systems, and (c) the continuing rise of cloud-based computing options (e.g., adobe creative cloud, microsoft office online), even the most intransigent remaining corner cases (e.g., “i’m-a-graphic-artist-and-we-only-use-adobe-software-products”, “the-boss-says-we-gotta-use-microsoft-office-cuz-well-he-didn’t-really-have-any-good-reasons-but-he-seemed-adamant”) continue to weaken…”

        “Bottom line: these days, unless you’re a hardcore gamer looking for max performance on high-end AAA+ games, use of Windows is a choice – not a requirement.”

        SallyBrown wrote:
        If you like playing with new Windows programs a lot, Linux will disappoint.

        True enough, I suppose.

        And if you like renting cars from Avis, then Enterprise will disappoint. And Hertz will disappoint, and Dollar will disappoint, and Thrifty will disappoint.

        But – regardless of one’s particular personal or business reasons for needing to rent a car – if one just needs to rent a car… (you know, for basic transportation… to drive around… to run errands… to visit places… to meet up with people… to get stuff done…)

        Ooops, it seems I’ve drifted off topic. Please accept my humble apologies, OscarCP, for straying from the topic at hand: “if you can handle a windows pc you can handle a mac or linux”… (you know, for basic computing… to use as a daily driver… to run applications… to visit websites… to communicate with people… to get stuff done…)

        Hope this helps.

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        • #2399795

          Anonymous: Great pirouette supposedly out of and right back into topic. Nicely done!

          No OscarCP feelings were broken during the reading of your post.

          Besides this is not a thread for answering only the reservations people with limited computer skills may have, as many with considerable such skills, but who have known only Windows, and I am sure there are quite a few like that out there, may also be considering ditching Windows for either macOS or Linux, and yet wonder how much of a challenge such a switch might imply.

          What I hope to see here are comments that stay on the topic as described in my original posting and as just now clarified, and are written in plain English, for the further information of either non-techies, or of techies, but all written, as much as possible, in an accessible enough way for the non-techies who might care to read them.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2399821

      owburp: “Just to clarify, KDE Plasma is not a distro but a desktop environment (DE) that is available for some distros.”

      Thanks for your clarification about KDE and sorry for not expressing myself correctly, but this is what I was thinking about as being OK to use by just about everyone with at least  a minimum of computer skills, and this is a step-by-step explanation on how to install KDE Plasma in Mint:

      How To Install KDE Plasma Desktop on Linux Mint 20
      By Josphat Mutai -November 1, 2021 Modified date: November 1, 2021182610 :

      https://techviewleo.com/how-to-install-kde-plasma-desktop-on-linux-mint/

      Excerpt:

      KDE is a very popular open community desktop environment designed to be powerful, simple and customizable to suit user demands without compromising freedom and privacy. Plasma comes with plenty of free applications that enables you to perform your day-to-day tasks without changing machines – from web surfing, messaging, music and video playing, files management to creative and productive work.

      So it was not about a combination of a desktop with a distro like the one Ascaris uses, but about a user-friendly desktop that can be used with a distro that is relatively easy to work with: Mint.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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