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Off topic wonder for a Friday https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1375218436494647296 You could be a Captain for a ship. I think they are going to have
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I think that ship is the “MS MarchUpdate”.
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There was never a shortage, just people buying large quantities that they didn’t need.
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I think they have a worst case scenario. If it had been low tide when it rammed the shore, it would be easy – just wait for high tide and push it out. So assume high tide: yeah, lighten the load by a lot and pump out lots of sand. Bad situation. Just a situation urging us to look out for bottlenecks wherever and however they might manifest themselves, be it computers, networks, or canals – all the same. check things out occasionally! 🙂 Always eyeball your setup for worst-case scenario – fire? flood? Be prepared! It’s relatively easy.
TP shortage? – use a bidet.
What was a cargo ship that size doing in the Suez canal anyway? I should have expected some restriction on the passage of oversized vessels, just as motorway authorities limit the weight/size of vehicles on bridges. Surely a lesson to be learned for the future?
My understanding is that this size of ship has only recently been permitted in the Suez Canal, a decision that I imagine will soon be reversed.
When a ship this size can be blown off course by a 30mph gust of wind then it suggests that we’re making them too big!
As for its rescue, I suppose a combination of lightening the load, removing a lot of sand and then pulling with tugs will be the only way – and that seemingly could take weeks to complete.
Prices of oil are going up 4% today.
Every day $9B worth merchandize is passing through the canal.
There is now a long line of 150 ships waiting to pass.
At least they are setting up a diversion 🙂
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I suppose if they can’t dislodge it any other way, they could unload and dismantle the thing. Can you imagine having to explain that to the insurance adjuster? I don’t think ‘Got immovably lodged across a critical trade route and we had to take it apart’ is covered by most policies.
Better yet, picture having to explain to the unemployment office or at a job interview that you left your last job because you got your boat stuck in the Suez Canal and disrupted billions of dollars in international trade for days (weeks? Months…?)
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Removing the containers is a massive and tricky job especially as the location appears to be in the middle of nowhere – not in a port.
To raise the boat remove the fuel; just leave enough to keep systems running. Refuel when the end of Suez canal is reached.
Whatever action is taken – beware of “breaking the boat’s back” – could be messy!
Interesting times for global logistic managers.
Is that a hint of arbitrage in the air ?
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Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there. If cheap tat from China can’t get to Europe or the UK perhaps they’ll realise that they don’t really need it.
I found this on the internet.
OK. Hear me out.
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Russia’s Global Warming Arctic route. Making fun of Suez traffic jam, Rosatom promotes Russia’s Arctic route as an alternative | The Independent Barents Observer
Yes, Anonymous, it can happen too in the Panama Canal. If it happened there and in Suez at the same time, then we’ll might survive OK on rice and potatoes for a while, if having already enough rice and potatoes at home before all that. Unless we are prepared to buy gift-wrapped lettuce heads from California, and other extravagantly expensive veggies, nuts and fruit, not to mention something exotic, like meat or dairy products, all sent by some very expensive means of transportation (given the extraordinarily high cost of gasoline and diesel fuel). Then we could seat convivially around the family table and told each other “enjoy!”, or “bon appétit” before tucking into the contents of our delicious bowls of white rice.
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I appreciate your point of view. But it remains an economic reality that long distance trucking has supplanted most rail and river transport within the Continental United States. That has happened for a reason — trucking is usually for most things cheaper and faster.
We no longer make a lot of the steel we use in the US. That was one driver behind the economies of rail freight. That and autos. Both now travel more by road than by rail now. There has to be an economic reason for this, and there is such a reason.
For oil and natural gas, it became cheaper to build pipelines than to use either rails or trucks.
For North America, domestic production becomes realistic when International Cartels raise the price of oil too high. The Saudis and the Venezuelans know this. And the price never goes high enough to make rails competitive with trucking. So far at least. (Maybe this paragraph is too political for the Lounge.)
Which brings us back to the Suez Canal. There are reasons it’s actually cheaper to send supertankers around Africa than to widen the Suez Canal to accommodate them. Same with the Panama Canal. And for transport of oil and natural gas from the Mideast to Europe, pipelines would be cheaper, if they could be guaranteed against acts of war or terror. For North and South America, of course pipelines are out of the question.
For most normal freight, the Suez and Panama Canals offer real economic advantages. And hence they become chokepoints if anything like the present issue happens to them.
My main point is, there are built-in checks and balances against a crisis of the sort we have been told was about to happen with oil prices for decades now, ever really happening. It turns out, so far the supplies of oil in North America haven’t been as limited as was assumed in the 1970’s.
And there are workarounds if major chokepoints become closed for extended periods. Yes, prices will go higher (though this has not happened for oil and gas, adjusted for inflation). But markets do have ways to stabilize themselves when faced with supply chain disruptions. (Cue the comments about the coronavirus.) This is an ongoing part of how free markets work.
Is that a more reasonable answer?
Of course, all of this has no meaning if it’s MY shipment which is stuck on one of those cargo ships which can’t get through the Suez Canal for awhile. That’s the risk of doing business in a global trade community.
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I think it’s about time this guy does us a favor. He’s destroyed Tokyo so many times he owes us a big one.
Interesting video, PaulK. The name of the ship is “EVER GIVEN”, but in the video it is shown, to illustrate the discussion, in pictures where it carries the name “EVERGREEN”, which is peculiar.
More importantly, the commentary about possible causes mentions the weather conditions: strong winds pushing on the enormous side of the boat across its intended course, possibly beyond the crew’s ability to steer it properly, combined with very bad visibility, because the wind was part of a sandstorm. This brings in my own mind the question of what are the protocols in place in the Suez Canal defining under which conditions a huge ship like this may be allowed to enter and transit through it. One possible factor, mentioned in the video, is that as a consequence of the Covid-19 pandemic crews work uninterruptedly for unusually long stretches of time at sea without proper breaks on land. So that looks like a lack of proper maritime regulations to prevent overworked crews to operate such huge ships. Which brigs up the question: how good are the captain and the rest of the crew? And the closely related one: under which country’s flag does the ship sail?
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Of the questions I posed at the end of my previous comment, the one about which flag the ship sails under, although perhaps not very obviously so can, nevertheless, be quite relevant to this discussion, because the country that flag belongs to is responsible for monitoring and enforcing acceptable standards of maintenance, crew training and degree of expertise, working conditions, etc. Shipping companies, in order to save money, tend to register their ships in countries where it is not only less expensive to register them, but also where the authorities in charge are less strict in the application of those standards, something that can also be expensive for the shipping companies if it is always done by the book, as explained in this article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-28558480
This is a really old problem.
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Ever Given is the ship name, it’s on the bow.
Evergreen is the company that owns it.
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That ‘Sphinx’ of geographical incorrectness as the
suez canal runs from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean.
Chris Greaves wrote:
(4) Twice the velocity gives eight times the energy, focused on (say) the bow, and there she goes!
I thought the kinetic energy euqation goes
E(k) = (m*v^2):2
(mass * squared velocity) / 2
So is it squared or cubed?
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I was wondering if the anchor mechanism could be used to unstuck the ship in the Suez. Somebody else was too.
I think the ship might not be strong enough to do this, stress on part of the structure that were not designed for it.
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Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there. For the fifty years that I have been dealing with Evergreen they have always had there name in large letters on the side of their vessels and containers.
That appears to be an unmitigated single-point of failure! Ignored because it didn’t fail for so long that is was assumed “safe”…
What single-point of failure are hidden in *YOUR* systems? Something to check out next week!
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ve2mrx: “That appears to be an unmitigated single-point of failure! Ignored because it didn’t fail for so long that is was assumed “safe”…”
Most likely there were more than one. I commented on this here #2353542 and in the comment that immediately follows it.
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US Navy offered assistance this morning or yesterday. Lots of imagery there.
So weird, a gust of wind supposedly caused this most excellent park job. First time ever. Hmmm…
I guess they’re going to start unloading the ship but have to find floating cranes since there are none in Egypt.
They should get one of those giant Hoover Crafts and blow it back on course. Maybe ten.
Gather up everyone with authority to do something, throw away their phones and the ship will be unstuck in 24 hours.
An outstanding article on how, “The recent blockage of traffic through the Suez Canal illustrates just how diverse the causes of oil flow disruption can be” may be found by following the link https://www.iea.org/commentaries/suez-canal-closure-highlights-asia-s-growing-dependence-on-eastward-oil-flows?utm_campaign=IEA%20newsletters&utm_source=SendGrid&utm_medium=Email
Nope, it’s Ever Given, owned by Evergreen.
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Allow me a little joke to lighten the situation. We all make mistakes sometimes.
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Chris Greaves wrote:
(4) Twice the velocity gives eight times the energy, focused on (say) the bow, and there she goes!
I thought the kinetic energy euqation goes
E(k) = (m*v^2):2(mass * squared velocity) / 2
So is it squared or cubed?
As I was taught, oh so long ago …
For a particle (a motor car, a rain drop, a molecule of oxygen, a club, etc.) The Kinetic Energy of a particle is indeed 1/2 emm vee squared.
Then, I was told, think of a river of water flowing at 12 knots instead of its usual 4 knots.
Each particle has increased energy given as the square of the velocity.
So twelve knots is three times four knots, and three-squared is nine times the energy for each particle/molecule of water.
So far so good.
But then (drum roll) at twelve knots there are three times as many particles per unit time hitting the pickup truck. Sideways. So factor in another three times and you have the velocity (of a fluid) cubed.
That is why so many parents-and-kids get swept off the ford when the creek is running high, (partly) why police use water-cannon to knock down crowds, why wind speeds of 40 knots (right now in Bonavista) are eight times worse than winds at 20 knots, etc etc.
I could be wrong, though.
Cheers
Chris
Unless you're in a hurry, just wait.
Chris Graves: It is the relative velocity (between object and fluid) that is squared. If both are moving together, for example, the relative velocity is zero, so is its square, its cube and, as a result of this, the power, force. torque, etc. are also zero. The object, ship in this case, if allowed to, just goes with the flow like a cork floating along a stream.
This also applies if the fluid is extremely rarefied, as in the case of the air at the great heights where artificial satellites orbit the Earth. But because they move at several thousands of m/s, their great velocity relative to the air makes up for the low density of the latter to the point that the force so exerted, air drag, is a main factor in determining the orbits the satellites follow and their stability. Something that has given me one of my many excuses for earning my daily crust while doing things I really like to do and will do for free, if necessary — just don’t tell anybody I told you so.
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The area, that wind is pushing on, is giant – on the superfreighter. Thus pushing the ship sideways. I have experinces only with small yachts, but its not easy to be aware of all factors. We talk about giant masses here and it takes some time to “manouver”. Ships like this must “hit the breaks” few kilometers before it reaches its destination. The momentum of the ship and water are enormous.
I agree, that on thrice the speed, the number of particles hitting the ship should be multipled three times. So it looks like the velocity is cubed, but in fact, only the multiplying factir is cubed, not the velocity itself. But definately with twice speed, the energy is 8 times greater, etc..
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Actually there is some confusion in this discussion, that now I realize have omitted to clarify: It is not power or kinetic energy that is the important thing here, but the exchange of momentum between the fluid, air in this case) and the object (here, the ship.)
By the principle of conservation of momentum due to internal interactions in a system (the air and the ship, in this case) the sum of the change in momentum of both parts is zero. Going from there, one finally arrives to the correct formula, where the velocity is squared, not cubed.
For a more complete and also a clear explanation of this see this article:
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/momntm.html
Note that the density is a constant of the fluid regardless of whether it is moving or in repose relative to, in this case, the ship.
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The ship is now free and motoring towards a stop at the lake in the canal where it can be inspected and, depending on its condition, allowed to continue to its final destination in Europe, or, after some emergency repairs, be sent to someplace where it can be fully repaired.
But this is not the end of all troubles, as the great backlog of delayed cargo, the multi-thousands of millions of dollars, or euros (your pick) already lost, the insurance claims and all the other costs, some the consequence of those named ones, will continue for quite some time and result in further consequences to be felt to some extent by a significant number of people that has had nothing whatever to do with this mess, further down the line. Not a major world-spanning catastrophe, but not something one would want to happen again, either.
Many questions remain unanswered and they are being investigated, but one that I think is pretty basic is this: why was such a huge ship allowed to enter the canal at a time of extremely adverse weather conditions, clearly unsafe for navigation there, with high winds that were driving a sandstorm? Why wasn’t the ship ordered by the Canal Authority to wait until the sandstorm was past?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56567985
Someone asked here, and I answered, what if the Suez Canal and the Panama Canal were both blocked at the same time? In the very strange world we are reminded by this incident of the “Ever Given” that we are living in now, such an unpleasant double “treat” is not impossible, or even that unlikely. Imagine a case where one of the two Canals is blocked and all ships, including several of these supper extra immensely huge ones are diverted to the other Canal, and one of these gets then stuck in there. Or that happens, so all ships from East of Suez and bound for the Atlantic, a well as those bound for the Indian or Pacific Oceans, now all go East, and then one or two or three of the biggest ones get stuck in the Strait of Malacca (*), the third possible maritime choking point. You ever heard of the Great Depression? Well, by comparison, those could have been the really good times.
(*) From Wikipedia:
“Malaccamax
As the name suggests, Malaccamax ships are the largest ships that can pass through the Strait off Malacca which is 25 m (82 ft) deep. As per the current permissible limits, a Malaccamax vessel can have a maximum length of 400 m (1,312ft), beam of 59 m (193.5 ft), and draught of 14.5 m (47.5 ft).”
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heard of the Great Depression? Well, by comparison, those could have been the really good times.
Perhaps man is at his very limits of being able to destroy his own habitat in the most efficient way??
In the mean time it’s a fascinating and unreal-like view to see these ships in the port of Rotterdam, in the “Europoort 2, outer harbor south docks”
I don’t think it’s too late to thank the real heroes of this story..
I thinks its Rotterdam, where are periodically cleaning the seabed (sea bottom) in the port. It is being messed by dirt, meaning its not that deep as is should be. There are floating “vacuum cleanres” designed to suck the dirt and sand. Its called dredging, I dont wanna post youtube link and bring trackers here.
Some port were designed decades ago and today ships are greater than thought before.
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I thinks its Rotterdam, where are periodically cleaning the seabed (sea bottom) in the port. It is being messed by dirt, meaning its not that deep as is should be. There are floating “vacuum cleanres” designed to suck the dirt and sand. Its called dredging, I dont wanna post youtube link and bring trackers here.
Some port were designed decades ago and today ships are greater than thought before.
[@]Doriel Thank you, finally. “dredging” in english is “baggeren” in dutch, quite a special expertise
According to “Business Insider” “The Ever Given was freed Monday after spending approximately six days stuck in the Suez Canal. The Suez Canal Authority last week employed the Dutch dredging and heavy lift company to assist. A dredger known as a Mashhour and more than a dozen tugboats helped free the ship.”
Adding to Dorie’s comment on the “true heroes” of yesterday’s release and on the dredging by a Dutch company, as dredging was a critical part of the solution of the super huge enormous ship stuck for several days in the Suez Canal: That it was a Dutch company doing the dredging should be no surprise, as the Dutch are the world champions of dredging and also of building the most advanced and possibly the most extensive system of sea flood barriers there is. The country not being call “The Netherlands”, i.e. “Low Lands”, for nothing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_control_in_the_Netherlands
Particularly remarkable are what is known as “The Delta Works, enclosing a large area where three major rivers have their deltas and empty into the sea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oosterscheldekering
“The Delta Works (Dutch: Deltawerken) is a series of construction projects in the southwest of the Netherlands to protect a large area of land around the Rhine-Meuse-Scheldt delta from the sea.
Works have been declared one of the Seven Wonders of the Modern World by the American Society of Civil Engineers.”
And this supercomputer-controlled one prevents flooding in and around one of the main port cities of Europe, Rotterdam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeslantkering
This “Financial Times” article is titled: “Can the Dutch Save the World?”
https://www.ft.com/content/44c2d2ee-422c-11ea-bdb5-169ba7be433d
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I read somewhere the the insurance was at $200M way far from the real damage.
Excellent article in the Wall Street Journal about California container ports being hit by growing delays at https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-imports-are-stuck-on-ships-floating-just-off-los-angeles-11617183002 .
The article provides insight into how container traffic moves within the US.
There are three major port complexes on the US west coast:
The ports handle a variety of vessel types including:
Each vessel type requires specialized equipment to load and discharge their cargo and thus container ships are normally not accommodated at a bulk terminal, etc.
The Port of Los Angles alone has seven privately operated container terminals (docks) (WBCT Yang Ming, WBCT China Shipping, TRAPAC, YUSEN, Everport, Fenix Marine, and APMT).
In some cases, a container terminal is operated by a shipping line such as Everport that primarily handles Evergreen vessels while others are open to a variety of carriers.
The sequence of vessel birthing at an individual terminal is determined by the terminal operator and the vessel owners and is driven be operating efficiency/costs.
And birthing sequencing decisions can be complicated. For container vessels considerations include but are not limited to:
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