So did MS fix the Win10 1903 SearchUI.exe redlining bug, or not?

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I’m seeing sporadic reports that yesterday’s cumulative update for Win10 1903, KB 4515384, fixes the bug introduced in last week’s second August cumul
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[TweakHound]

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woody

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Have you run gborn’s fix,

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/so-did-ms-fix-the-win10-1903-searchui-exe-redlining-bug-or-not/#post-1948162

Or enabled Bing? (In other words, did you see the redlining bug after KB 4512941?)

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[TweakHound]

It was my understanding that disabling Bing search was the problem?

I previously had the problem so I uninstalled KB4512941 and waited for MS to fix it. When I saw their claim that they did fix it I fully updated Win10 1903 yesterday and do not have the issue now.

Don’t know what “gborn’s fix” is.

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Hi TweakHound, there is a glitch in the WordPress package that drops the tail end …post-#1948162 from the link Woody tried to show you.

Please scroll down this page to find a Reply #1948162 by an MVP named gborn. He has more information and another link of his own. This is the information Woody hoped to show you.

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[TweakHound]

Ah, thanks!
For me, this fix wasn’t needed as KB4515384 fixed the issue and did not cause any side effects. (FYI Bing search is and has always been disabled on my rig).

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Fixed the link in Woody’s post.

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Confirmed on my end. Installed on a workstation, search broken. Uninstalled, search was fine. Tried installing again from a direct download instead of our WSUS server and after a sfc /scannow, search broken. Uninstalled, but, this time clicking the start button gave a “Critical Error: Your Start menu isn’t working. We’ll try to fix it the next time you sign in.” after it was uninstalled.

Had to do a restore on the workstation from a recent backup.

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Microfix, woody

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When you say “Search broken,” what exactly does that mean? There were two different Search problems reported with KB 4512941.

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From what I got as feedback from my readers is: Some says it’s fixed. But I got other reports, that if Bing isn’t enabled, the search won’t work.

Within my blog post Patchday: Windows 10 Updates (September 10, 2019) I gave the hint, if the users has used the cache workaround, to open an administrative command prompt window and execute sfc /scannow. The background: This system file check repairs the Cortana cache folder files – so that the script is able to be executed. Some users confirmed that it works. Will monitor this thread, whether there are users confirming or decline that workaround.

It’s distinct from what IndyPilot80 wrote above. Personally I havent had the time to investigate.

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Mine seems to be ok

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Pushing this now so I’ll report my findings in the near future.

Red Ruffnsore

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Microfix

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No issues on my pc and seems to be working fine. I’ve asked my fellow I.T. people to install the update and report back. If I come across any issues I will check back in.

One thing I did note is after the update the Settings app on the start menu would not fully open until I did a second reboot. At first the Settings window opened but only showed an icon in the middle of the window. None of the options loaded in the window. Second reboot fixed it.

Red Ruffnsore

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FYI – I changed our group policy to now allow “apps to run in the background” in order to avoid any issues with Windows Apps not working properly in the future, and to be on board with others for testing purposes.

Red Ruffnsore

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Search and Start work fine for me with yesterday’s KB4515384 installed (but they did with last month’s KB4512941 too).

The only people having issues with either are those who have used unofficial registry tweaks.

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Barry

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What is an “unofficial registry tweak”?

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One that is not recommended or documented by Microsoft.

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You can’t just make stuff up and put it in the registry. If you can make or edit a registry setting the ability to do that is there for a reason.

Unlike the XP and Windows 7 days, most settings are no longer documented. I don’t know why, staff cuts maybe?

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TweakHound wrote:

You can’t just make stuff up and put it in the registry.

Sure you can. Programs do it all the time.

TweakHound wrote:

If you can make or edit a registry setting the ability to do that is there for a reason.

You can make or edit any registry setting, but changing most will break something.

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https://www.computerworld.com/article/3436776/time-to-install-the-august-windows-patches-but-watch-out-for-the-bugs.html:

This isn’t a fringe case. Microsoft has encountered so many complaints about searching the web in Windows Desktop Search that they published a Knowledge Base article with step-by-step instructions for disabling it. If you followed those instructions, and installed the second monthly cumulative update, part of your machine is redlining.

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TweakHound

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woody wrote:

This isn’t a fringe case.
…they published a Knowledge Base article with step-by-step instructions for disabling it

“If a computer has no Internet access and has the option configured to disallow the Web Platform APIs from using AppCache …, Desktop Search doesn’t work.”

I’d call that a fringe case.

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The official announcements I’ve seen say:

This issue only occurs on devices that have disabled searching the web using Windows Desktop Search.

Nothing about being disconnected from the web and — given the magnitude of the problem and volume of reports — I highly doubt that’s a component.

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Mine is having some error launching certain programs after the update (O&O ShutUp10 app doesn’t launch, and others.)

Oh well. This is a learned experience. 🙁

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O&O software released a fix yesterday:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10/changelog

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RyuzakiL

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Everything works fine here.

I enabled BingSearch to solve the problem with the previous (optional) update. After the recent update I disabled BingSearch again and everything works fine now.

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LHiggins

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That appears to be the easiest solution. I think.

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LHiggins

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[EP]

well woody I guess the searchui.exe problem is not fixed 100% with kb4515384

maybe Liam Tung of ZDNet was right after all when he said this in his article almost a week ago:

Microsoft estimates a resolution will be available in mid-September, so it will probably not be fixed by the upcoming Patch Tuesday on September 10, but by a subsequent optional cumulative update.

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woody

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I have a couple of questions about enabling/disabling Cortana and Bing Search. I may have painted myself into a corner with these updates, and wanted to just see how to proceed.

I am running Win 10 Pro v 1903. I have the updates set in the Group Policy Editor to defer/pause for 30 days, so I am now a month behind on the August updates. I am expecting to see them on Sept. 13?

When I set this computer up – 2 months old – I disabled Cortana and local Bing Searches in the policy editor and in 0&0 Shutup. I didn’t run into the high usage issue since I have yet to do the August updates, but it appears I will when those updates become available and the “fix” in the September updates won’t be immediately offered since it is deferred 30 days now also.

My questions then are:
1. Should I enable Cortana and the Bing search before I download the August update? If so – how will I do that? (I think I know but it would be good to have that confirmed.) And then disable them after I eventually get the September update that is supposed to fix it?
2. Or should I use WUSHOWHIDE to hide the optional August update that led to this high usage issue till the September updates are offered?
3. Or hide them all and wait for the all clear from Woody?
4. Or unpause(?) the September updates and get them right after the August ones are offered?
5. Or – something else?

This will really only be the second time I’ve gotten the monthly updates on this laptop – July’s were deferred till the beginning of August, and the August/September ones have not appeared yet.

I appreciate any guidance anyone might offer. I know that most of you are on to the September updates and have already dealt with the Cortana issue, but since I am getting these late, I am only now trying to figure out how to confront it.

Thanks so much!

LH

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If it were MY computer, I would hide the Aug and Sept updates and just wait.
But you will have to make that decision.

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LHiggins

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[LHiggins]

I am inclined to do just that since there seems to still be quite a bit of turmoil about these updates.

So can they all be hidden using WUSHOWHIDE once I see them – they aren’t yet listed anywhere yet. Can I do them all at once – or the August ones at least, and then do the Sept ones once they are offered? And I guess if I miss hiding something I can always uninstall it, correct?

When it is “safe” again – whenever that will be – what will the proper procedure be then – get them all at once, or in groups?

Thanks for the quick reply – I am still so cautious with that new laptop! And I just finished last month’s nerve-wracking Win 7 updates over the weekend on the old computers – will probably be glad when Jan 2020 comes and I am not facing updates to 3 computer – LOL! Glad my Linux experiment is going well since that is hopefully my go to replacement for at least one of the Win 7s.

Thanks again. 🙂

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You can hide them (or try to) when they show up. Don’t think you can do it before.
The updates (CUs) are CUMULATIVE, so whenever, you will only need the latest one

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LHiggins

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PKCano wrote:

You can hide them (or try to) when they show up. Don’t think you can do it before.
The updates (CUs) are CUMULATIVE, so whenever, you will only need the latest one

Thanks! I wonder which one that will finally be – LOL!

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Quick question – and please forgive my angst over this! Can I install the first August update – KB4512508 – are there any issues with that one? I’ve looked back over many discussions to see its status, and can’t find issues with that one at this point. It is now showing in my WUSHOWHIDE list – not actually in my update list.

Is that one OK to get?

Thanks!

LH

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The big problem with that one is it broke VB6, VBA and VBScript. If that doesn’t affect you, it would see you could go ahead and install.
Have you read Woody’s ComputerWorld article with the guidance for Win 10 1903?

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LHiggins

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I’m not sure that the VB6, VBA and VBScript issue affects me.

I have read several of Woody’s articles – seems that his advice on this is to install KB4512508 for the security issues but know that there can be those VB issues.

Since that one should come “alone” tomorrow after my deferral, I guess it might be wise to install it – but skip the Cortana/search issue one when I see that one later in the month.

Any specific article that you were referring to? I think I’ve read them all that relate to this update round starting with 8/30. And I do always make a system image and create a restore point before attempting any updates.

Thanks so much!

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The one I was referring to was the one he publishes when he increases the DEFCON number.

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LHiggins

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woody wrote:

ANOTHER UPDATE: Mayank Parmar at Windows Latest lists these and other bugs.

“Again, a small number of users are experiencing this problem.”
https://www.windowslatest.com/2019/09/11/windows-10-kb4515384-issues/

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woody

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Will please all Windows 10 insiders who have tested Microsoft’s OS/updates step forward ?

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(19h2) or (20h1)? Which of the Builds – there are so many now days?

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Microfix

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Most updates for current versions are not tested by any Insiders.

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IMHO insiders are not true beta testers of patches to released products.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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I don’t know if this is a related glitch or not … a month ago I woke up to find my Win 10 Pro-1803 upgraded to 1903 without asking me. It just did it in the middle of the night even though I had all the brakes set to avoid it. From that moment on I cannot have more than two or three browser tabs open without pushing the CPU level to 100% and staying there. I’m using Brave, Firefox, and Chrome, and it happens with all three. Once I back down to one or two tabs, the CPU level drops to 65-90%. With no browser it stays around 25%. Prior to the jump to 1903 it rarely ever pushed past 85-90% unless I was trying to do a lot of things at once. I thought these two issues might be related, but I have no idea. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

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TaskForce141

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This seems to be a long standing issue for a few folks but unrelated to the search issue, except for being in the realm of “annoying things Windows 10 arbitrarily does”.

On this note, I am 1803 on metered and somehow when I’ve allowed Defender to update on metered it switched my Pause Updates to Don’t Pause Updates completely arbitrarily, so to get the August Cum. updates I had to press the dreaded “Check for Updates”. Which happily didn’t force me (phew), but still only ‘Recommends’ I upgrade to 1903. I have never had Defender switch anything on the general Updates settings before. I expect anything from Windows now having had a ton of glitches with every friggin version of 10 I’ve had, but that honestly caught me off guard. I hadn’t checked Updates since I turned on Pause (for 30 days) last month so I cant say which time that occurred, only sometime in the last month of the few times of deliberately allowing Defender to update on metered. Course now I second guess myself that it was me who messed up even though I only go to Updates once a month… Stockholm Syndrome for Windows 10 users.

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Pause updates is automatically switched off when the selected date for your 30-day limit is reached.

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[JimmyJames]

Ha, you’re right the gap was over 30 days, just never went that long before. Thanks, b!

Curious, the 30 day “dial” was still set to 30 days, wouldn’t that “zero” out when Pause was turned off automatically?

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Yes, it would. So what did you actually see that made you say, “it switched my Pause Updates to Don’t Pause Updates” (as Windows 10 never says “Don’t Pause Updates” in those words).

Are you definitely taking about Pause updates, not Defer quality updates on the Pro edition?

(The maximum for Pause updates is 35 days, but for Defer quality updates it’s only 30 days.)

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[JimmyJames]

Yes “defer quality updates” in Pro for 30 days (which I usually set after Pausing).

After every monthly ‘Woody approved’ update I just unpause, roll the 30 days back to 0 and let it update without pressing Check for Updates. Then I Pause again, then roll the pause delay up to the 30 day max and that’s that. This time on monday Sept 9, I went to unpause and it was already unpaused on it’s own, but the 30 day still showed 30 days. My last updates were August 3, so I figured maybe you were right it just unpaused on it’s own, but it didn’t 0 the delay it was still set at 30 days. I never got the second batch of August updates only the ones on Aug 3 I deliberately went for.

Would it block them if the 30 days delay was set but not Pause? All this time I’ve assumed I need both to be safe. It was from Aug 3 to Sept 9, so it was 37 days. But if Pause was off all that time and yet delay was still set to 30 days it makes no sense I didn’t get the 2nd Cum updates and the delay didn’t ‘0’ out once the 30 days from the 3rd elapsed.

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Make sure you have the newest drivers for your video card.  If you have multiple GPUs (e.g. onboard Intel + discrete NVidia or AMD), then get the latest drivers for both.

I’ve seen two different 1903 systems behave really weirdly (and slowly) with web browsers when using older graphics drivers.  Neither exhibited the exact issue you’re describing, but web browsers depend a lot on having updated drivers because of how they use hardware acceleration.

Hope that works.

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Good morning. I never experienced the redlining problem, but i did have one instance of the search button [i.e. magnifying glass to the right of the Windows icon] doing nothing. I fixed that by ending the Cortana task in task manager; after which it restarted without the problem recurring.

I installed the latest updates yesterday [being brave], and after 7 or 8 hours of hard use, i have not encountered any problems with these updates.

[relatively new PC; HP Omen with AMD Ryzen 7 8-core processor; NVidia GeForce GTX 1070; in the past, i’ve noticed that update problems become more frequently as my tech ages and hardware components are not updated as often]

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check out the comments posted in this recent Neowin article (near the bottom):
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-has-broken-the-start-menu-and-desktop-search-with-latest-windows-10-update

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They sound like me! 😄

Or maybe, as turned out to be the case with the previous high CPU usage “bug” with Search, this only affects people who have modified their registry in some way so as to disable native behavior.

My money is on the use of ShutUp10 or similar being the real culprit. In which case, it’s the user who broke the system.

Was about to type almost the same answer, I don’t mess with anything on my machines and all 3 are working perfectly.

I think the major problems caused by updates for Windows 10, are caused by manufacturers putting cr*p-ware on them, and third party software to turn all the tracking c**p off.

No issues here, and I’m with others above, this “bug” is probably hitting people who have screwed with something on their own that MS doesn’t take into account.

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