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Dear PK,

The servicing stack update does not show up in either list of my installed updates.

If I am to run the search for updates I am sure MS will ramrod through Windows 1803 or 1809.  I do have 1803 hidden, but to check for updates one has to enable the MS update system that the Windows Update Blocker stops.  I just checked for updates again and I am not offered either the 1709 CU or the servicing stack.

Before I knew about the servicing stack I had planned on getting the CU from the MS catalog.

I searched the web for the servicing stack update number KB4339430 and found nothing.  A search for the servicing stack for the CU brings me to something that is called a “Delta update for Windows 10 version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4462918)”. Is that what I should be installing?  At this point I am beyond anything I know.

Thank you!

Thank you PK!  I much appreciate your help!

I was not offered the servicing stack KB4339430.  I was offered KB4056254, KB4090007,  and the two I do not want: KB4023814 and KB4023057, along with the adobe flash and MSRT.

Do I want any of the first two I list,  besides the Servicing Stack and the CU you told me about?

I will check to see if I have the servicing stack, but I doubt it.

I wonder how we are supposed to know the servicing stack and other KBs we need if not offered, MS?

I am just making sure I am on the right track.

I am being offered all the usual including the Update Assistant KBs, which I will avoid.  For the 3rd month in a row I am not being offered the Win 10 version 1709 64 bit Cumulative Update–I assume this is a way to push me into 1809 if I install the update assistant KBs.  Alll updates offered are hidden at the moment.

I have searched for the Windows 10 version 1709 Cumulative Update and come up with KB4462918, and will download it from MS catalogue and install offline.  Is this the correct KB?

I will also update Adobe and MSRT.

• Windows 10 Home
• version 1709
• 64 bit
• Using WUMT, (not advised by Woody, but necessary with Windows Home)
• Using Windows Update blocker (not advised by Woody, but necessary with Windows Home)

Thank you for your help!

 

Dear PK Cano-  Thank you so much for the reply.

I don’t understand why I am not being offered the cumulative updates, but it may be MS way of getting me to update to newest version.  Clearly not your issue or job to figure out why, just my wondering.

I will get  KB4457142 The Sept Patch Tuesday Cumulative Update from the MS Catalogue.

I was not offered KB4464216.  I do not know what Intune is and that probably is a bad thing–will look it up. Due to Windows 10, for the most part I have become a Mac user, but need a Windows for work and old work things.

I use a private VPN-Tunnel Bear.

I so appreciate your help!

I am sure someone else will be able to use the information.

Thanks!

 

Windows 10 Home
64 Bit
Version 1709 build 16299.611

Background:  So far I have not a found specific list of Windows 10 Home updates okay to install for 1709.

I am assuming Woody suggests we not go forward to update to version 1803, now hidden

I think once again, as in August, I was not offered the September Cumulative update.

1.  What Cumulative KB update number do I need for September if not listed below?

2.  For the following list, I will not list MSRT, adobe Flash or KB4023057–The evil update assistant.

I was offered the following updates.  Which ones should I install?
KB 4056254
KB 4023814
KB 4090007

Thank you so much for your help!

Thank you fr your reply PK Cano.

I am a bit confused because on July 9 I installed the June updates KB 4284819 The MSRT update, and the Adobe Flash update.  I have not installed anything since then.  I have hidden all updates I listed along with the most recent Adobe Flash update and the MRST tool.  (I also have version 1803 hidden

I have not installed any updates yet, and I thought we were on MS Defcon 4 for August.  Yes, I will install the Adobe Flash and the MSRT I have hidden, but I have no Cumulative Update or IE updates for August hidden or ready to be hidden.

Wasn’t I supposed to install an August Cumulative update and the August IE update?

Thanks again!

 

Help!  I have to admit I am pretty confused.  I read the Computer World Article and only saw what to avoid and not get sucked into for my situation, which is good up to a point.  However, I don’t think I know what to do.

Windows 10 64 bit 1709, MS Office 2007 (probably no updates-not a big deal as I do most writing on my MacBook) .

Windows 10 home- I got sucked into 1709  (16299.492)in May even with all preventions in place, but decided to stay there, and last updated in July 9 with June updates .   When I read Woody’s CW article it says (1) I am not supposed to get sucked into 1803 or 1809.  (2) I am supposed to avoid the specter mess.  But I have no clue as to what updates should be downloaded.  Remember Windows 10 people (at least I have never seen this) do not have checked updates to help them to know what is optional or not.  I did install the WUMT  back in June and found it helpful the last time I needed to hide and install things in July.

I hid everything I could find I am going to make my images today, remain on the metered connection (I do that always) until updating and try to figure out what to install.

Can someone help me with what I need to avoid KB-wise for the spectre mess and guidance with what should be installed from the following list of hidden updates:

KB4056254,

2018-7 Update for Windows 10 KB4023814

2018-8  Update for Windows 10 KB4295110

2018-9  Update for Windows 10 KB4023057

I don’t know if I ever installed any spectre mess-up installations before because I just installed what was there (nothing gets checked) and nothing was listed.

I thought each month was supposed to supercede the others, but I see I have updates for July, Aug. and Sept.  Do I install these?

Thank you so much for your help!

PS I know, for me, and that may not make sense for others it is hard to comb through all comments for my version of windows.  After Woody sets up his post perhaps one thread cold be set up  for Windows 7 and the 7 groups, and one for Windows 8 and then one for Windows 10.

@Dononline  again, thank you!  I too went under the knife.  I will work on this tomorrow-6-1-18.  I have looked and do not see a messaging system “Direct Messenger” on Woody’s site, so I am not clear what you mean.  If I have further questions, I agree, that is the way to go.  I am just not sure how to go about that.

@Dononline – I’m a bit late at setting this up due to  unplanned life stuff, but I have a few questions if you would not mind answering them.

1.  Is the Windows Update Mini Tool the same as the Windows Update Mini Tool Script Wrapper.  I was just checking some things out here on AskWoody and found discussions on the later.  The version numbers appear different, but I am too much of a “user” than a person knowledgeable in computers.

2.  Do you have to enable or “allow updates” with the Windows Update Blocker to install from the catalog? (one keeps it on disabled when avoiding updates)

3.  After one downloads the Windows Update Mini Tool, you hide all the updates you don’t want and then install the ones you do want using the update mini tool—but here is where my confusion is.  If you download directly from the catalog, does the Update Mini Tool take the updates for your machine from the catalogue, or am I mixing up two different things, i.e., if you are using the Update Mini Tool you do not need to go to the catalog?

I hope you are able to find this because it’s been so long since you posted, and I do appreciate your time, or that of anyone else who can answer these questions for me.

Thanks!

I have Windows 10 Home.  On the 3oth of April I was forced into updating to 1709 from 1703.  I am on a metered wireless connection.  I had hidden 1709 two times previous to this; one of the times was on the 29th of April.  Before trying to update the MS office updates on the 30th  I checked for 1709 using wushowhide because I just don’t trust MS.  1709 was no where to be found to hide a 3rd time.  As soon as I took the computer off metered connection for the Office updates 1709 began to download.  I stopped it, did a disk cleanup (as recommended by PKCano) turned off the computer, waited a while, rebooted with wi-fi off, and then (keeping it on metered) looked for 1709 with wushowhide and it was not there to be hidden, but was listed as hidden.   1803 was not there to hide either..  So I tried again and received 1709.  As soon as 1709 was downloaded, I ran wushowhide again, and there were no updates to hideincluding 1803, but as soon as I tried to do the MS Office updates, MS tried to download 1803.  I stopped it and just walked away for a day or so.  Then I used wushowhide while on metered connection and hid 1803.  I waited more days, thinking I would roll back to 1703, but decided to stay on 1709.  I think all works with it.  I eventually was able to download the MS Office updates on the 7th without being forced to move to 1803.  I have always kept the computer on metered connection unless letting updates or a new version through.  I have never been forced into a new version before.

I have tried 1709 and it seems okay.  Since December 2016 I have moved to a Mac for most of my work.  I have not yet tried hiding the May updates on the Win 10 home computer, nor have I had it connected to the internet since the MS Office updates were installed.  I will probably look for updates to hide tomorrow and hope 1803  does not ignore my metered connection.

I will update this post if it powers through the metered connection, but I am considering installing Windows Update Blocker and Windows Update MiniTool as used by dononline.  I am aware Woody does not recommend the Windows Update MiniTool.  Thus homework on these is a requirement.  At least I have my MacBook.

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@dononline Thanks for the tip.  I wasn’t even near a computer yesterday to see this, nor do I get the notices of replies to posts.  I am not sure why.  Woody’s site doesn’t like my VPN I guess.

I read your post, earlier and noted it.  I am still on 1709.  I haven’t not used my Win 10 home since it happened.  I use my Mac most of the time now.  I do need to evaluate if all works on 1709, if it does, I may just stick with it.  I know I am running out of time to roll it back.

Just to clarify, you unhide updates and/or versions of win 10 you want to install while on metered connection and then run the update tool, or one of the other two you mention.  When Windows update runs, while you are on metered, does it find the ones you unhid?  What happens if something like 1709 was hidden, as in my case when it snuck in via WU, and it ends up in the queue with things like MS Office updates?  My 1709 was hidden, it just pushed itself on me, and then tried to download 1803 so I immediately went off line and that stopped.  I have hidden 1803 since that time, but I don’t trust MS.

You say your other two tools are just downloaded to a folder.  Does that mean they run from the folder and you do not have to install them?

Thank you!

My computer, windows 10 home was forced to 1709.  I am still thinking about rolling back to 1703, but my ever since GWX campaign and it’s destruction of my Win 7, I got a Win 10, but moved to a Mac for my main computer–It’s so much easier to maintain.  Like Seattle27 and Elly I am deciding if it is the best place to stay for a while until Woody says to move to 1803. Because my Mac is my main computer now, I have another reason to possibly stay on 1709.  When I look at the installed programs from control panel, just about all except a few updated during my forced update to 1709 on Monday the 30th.  My questions are now:

Is there any KB in this version 1709 I should uninstall?

Are there any programs that should be removed from the installed programs using Add/Remove programs?  There is something I have never seen from Apple, and do need to figure out what that is.

MBAM and Trend Micro seem to work, as does my printer, so at first glance it seems okay, but other Woody followers may know important things I and others who update to 1709 should be aware of.  If so, may we have your input?

Thanks for the information.  Just to be clear though, I did hide 1709 twice.  Once on Sunday the 29th.  I searched for it on the 30th with wushowhide it was not there.  I checked my hidden updates/versions with wushowhide and 1709 was still hidden, so all seemed clear to go ahead with getting my MS Office updates, and within 2.5 or less minutes of checking it as hidden, 1709 started to download, so it isn’t as if I was being blind to the fact that they were pushing 1709.  That is why I say it has to be done just as Mcbys says, at least I hope it works for me if I decide to roll back, or if I stay on 1709 and I can avoid 1803 which also tried to come down the chute, and I checked the wusowhide directly before that too.

Just to add a bit of detail to that, I did search for the update in wushowhide, but you must apparently have to do it exactly as Mcbsys’s suggests or you will get hit.  It seems you must be on your toes, and not interrupted to do it Mcbsys’s method.

I am contemplating rolling back to 1703, but I wonder if rolling back works 99% of the time.  If it has a relatively high failure rate, it may not be worth it, and if it is not then I’ll stay on 1709.

Who knows what the statistics for successful roll backs are?   I’m just not in a mental place to try to do a system image replacement for the first time if it fails with all sorts of other stuff being thrown at me this week.

Thanks for the answer ahead of time.

PKCano wrote:

Read Woody’s article in ComputerWorld.

Okay, I was looking in the wrong Computer World article–the okay to update our versions of win 10.  I didn’t realize you were talking about the Avoiding 1803 article.

Your explanation of what the rollback to the last installed version clarifies something I did not understand.  And, I see if I roll back to 1703 now, I will be able to go to 1803 and roll back to 1703 if there is an issue with 1803.  At least,  it seems I do not have to install in sequence of 1703–> 1709 –>1803 as what happened to me today implies.  Am I correct on this?  Can I jump from 1703 to 1803?

I am going to wait to hear your answer to the last question above, and then think a bit more over one or two more days on either keeping it on 1709 (it does work) or rolling it back to 1703 the night after tomorrow (Don’t know if you are in the US, if so Thursday night).  I will use my Mac in the mean time.  If I decide to stay on 17o9 I’ll hide 1803 as described in Woody’s Article link regarding avoiding 1803.  If I roll back to 1703 then I will use that process to avoid and hide 1709 from installing.

Thank you for your patience! Irene