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If you have any Pause or Feature deferral set, you may not see the 1909 Feature update.
Have you installed the latest .NET update being offered through WU? There has been some indication that that may factor in also.

Neither system has any Pause or Feature deferral set; so that shouldn’t be a factor here as to why only one of the two systems is getting the offer to update to 1909.

Also both systems have identical sets of .NET updates installed except as noted previously regarding KB4532938.  The 1st system (which has KB4532938) gets the offer to update to 1909.   Whereas the 2nd system (which does not have and was not offered KB4532938) is not being offered the 1909 update.

So my current thinking here is that the presence or absence of KB4532938 is what determines whether or not a system gets offered the Feature update to 1909.  But then the question is why was KB4532938 offered to only the 1st system, and not to the 2nd one?

[Tom-R]

conclusion:
– KB4532695 (18362.628) will be offered in two cases:
1) KB4528760 is not installed + hidden
2) KB4528760 is installed + 1909 Feature Update is not available (for whatever reason, e.g. not compatible, hardware blocked, appraiser data not sufficient… etc)

The 1903 system where I have KB4528760 installed is a recently purchased (about 3 months old) Dell XPS 8930 desktop system (i7-9700 CPU, 16 GB RAM).  It came pre-installed with Win 10 version 1903.  It seems highly unlikely that this system would be incompatible or have its hardware blocked.  How is it possible that the 1909 Feature Update would not be made available or be offered for this system?

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migongo: Does your system currently list KB4532938 in the list of installed updates?

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[Tom-R]

Matador: Both 1903 systems have KB4534132 installed.  As far as recently installed Windows updates to these two systems, they are pretty much the same.  The only difference (as far as installed updates) is that the 1st system has KB4532938, while the 2nd system does not have it.  (The 2nd system was never offered that update.)

Perhaps KB4532938 is the common thread here.  Maybe 1903 systems with KB4532938 get offered the Feature Update to 1909?  Whereas those without KB4532938 get offered the Cumulative Update KB4532695 instead?

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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woody, Matador

Woody, I have two Win 10 Home x64 systems.   Both are Version 1903, OS Build 18362.592.   And both systems have the latest January Cumulative Update installed (KB4528760).

One system shows “Feature update to Windows 10 Version 1909” as an optional update, with no other updates available.

However, the other 1903 system does not show the 1909 Feature update.  Instead, that 2nd system shows KB4532695 as the only available optional update.

I’ve attached a screenshot of the Windows Update screen.   Let me know if you have questions or need additional details.

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Paying for a backup product is a personal choice, like paying for AV. Some like the extra features you get.

Sure.  That’s understandable.  My question (and I’m actually interested to know) is: What extra features do you get with TeraByte’s Image for Windows that you don’t have with Macrium Reflect 7 Free Edition?

If there’s enough added value in the TeraByte product, maybe it’s worth the added cost.  I figured it was worth asking an actual user who apparently has years of experience with it.

The article mentions HDD Health as one of the drive utilities:

PANTERASoft’s drive-monitoring tool HDD Health is designed to continually audit drives and alert you of possible problems. Once the app is installed, it lives in the Windows notification area. You can get a quick report on drive health and temperature by simply hovering over its icon.

What’s especially interesting to me is that it gets installed and continually monitors the drives.   But in looking at the PANTERASoft Download page, it looks like the software hasn’t been updated since 2014.  And although they say it’s for use with Windows 7 (and Win 8 on a different page), there’s no mention at all of Windows 10 anywhere.

Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) with installing and running HDD Health on a relatively current Win 10 system?

@bbearren: You mentioned that you’re using TeraByte’s Image for Windows ($38.94) to make your drive images.  Is there any advantage to using TeraByte’s paid product for doing that, as opposed to just using Macrium Reflect 7 Free Edition?   It’s not a lot of money we’re talking about; but I was wondering if TeraByte’s product had some added features to justify the extra cost.

Willie, I’m thinking that you’re confusing “KeyPass” (ransomware) with “KeePass” (the password manager).   Assuming that’s the case, I agree with you that many writers/reviewers — not just on this site, but elsewhere too — seem to ignore KeePass when discussing password managers.   I’m not sure why that is.  But cloud storage shouldn’t be a reason for omitting it from their articles and reviews.

KeePass can easily be used with cloud storage if that’s what the user wants.  As an example, one client of mine uses a Win 10 desktop PC at home; but relies on an iPhone and iPad when traveling.  He has KeePass installed on his PC, and the KeePassium app installed on his iPhone.  Both the PC and the iPhone read and write to a common .kdbx KeePass database file, which he stores on his iCloud drive.  All secure with multiple layers of encryption, easily backed up to his desktop system and additional cloud accounts (e.g., Google Drive), and best of all … completely free!

Yeah, I don’t understand why tech writers seem to always ignore KeePass.

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On my Win 8.1 system, a check for updates comes up with KB4533097:

Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2, 4.8 for Windows 8.1, RT 8.1, and Windows Server 2012 R2 (KB4533097) — Published 12/10/2019

I don’t see this KB number listed anywhere in the Master Patch List.  Does anyone know if this KB is included in the current MS-DEFCON5, and is safe to install?

One easy way to “unplug” the Wi-Fi on most laptops is to just enable Airplane Mode — typically via a function key on most laptop keyboards.  At least that’s how I usually do it.

I ran into a similar problem where an update caused a system to stop working, and I was unable to restore from the System Image due (apparently) to the partition and/or format info getting “borked”.  But shouldn’t it be possible to guard against such issues by making a full disk image backup of the boot drive (e.g., with Macrium Reflect)?  Wouldn’t that save all the partition and format info — including any dual-boot Linux-Windows configuration?

[Tom-R]

If I become aware of any worthwhile updates that are issued during the pause period, I presume I can take the pause off with the “Resume updates” button, and filter with wushowhide.

I’m curious as to whether or not this presumption is valid.  What will happen in the case where updates have been Paused; but then the user clicks the “Resume Updates” button?  Will it still be possible to run wushowhide to check for and review what updates are currently available in the queue — and to do so before Windows jumps in and starts automatically downloading and installing those updates?

Does anyone have any first-hand experience with this scenario to say for sure what exactly will happen once you click on “Resume Updates”?  Will the user still have time to run wushowhide?  Or will all the queued updates just get installed immediately — before the user has any chance to intervene?

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EP, Thanks for the suggestions.  I’ve considered using WUMT in the past; but I decided against it due to comments from Woody not recommending it.  His main issues with it seemed to be that no one really knows who the developer is, or what the utility is actually doing to interact with the system.  However, you also suggested Carifred’s WAU Manager, which I hadn’t heard of previously.  Based on what I read on their web page that utility sounds promising, and I might give that a try.  So thanks for that tip.

Alex, I haven’t actually tried WPD; but based on what I read in the Freeware Spotlight article it doesn’t seem like it would help with stopping Windows updates getting pushed onto a system.  WPD appears to focus mainly on three areas: privacy settings, telemetry, and MS store apps.  I’m not seeing anything (at least not in the article) about what the utility can do to stop MS from downloading and installing updates.

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